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Originally posted by RebelManAmen brother!
DVD was the fastest penetrating consumer media format EVER and until a few years ago VHS still out sold it. Doesn't give you much hope for Bluray to make any serious headway before downloads/VOD geta a large enough hold to start taking over does it? DVD had no, zero, zilch competition and was a HUGE improvement over VHS and still took almost 10 years to take over from it. Bluray had this ridiculous format war, competition from downloadable services, cable/sat/tel companies and a vastly changed consumer base that's used to getting media on demand. It's is also less noticeable of an improvement over DVD than DVD was over VHS....I'm not liking those chances for media domination short term or long term.
I'll remind you all that there is a thread created for this topic if you prefer to keep it out of this thread:
(But with the war over, what the hell else are we going to argue about? :lol: )Jason- Bottom
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Xbox planning BR 360??
Where do you have your microwave, in a cabinet built into your kitchen or on a bench, with several major branded microwaves only recommended for benchtops. Recently ChannelNews discovered that several leading brands selling microwaves in Australia are recommending that they only be placed on a bench due in part to risks associated with placing […]B&W- Bottom
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The format war may be over, but I think most agree the Toshiba HD-DVD players were great products at a very reasonable price point. Not probable, *but* wouldn't be funny if Toshiba: 1) officially abandoned HD-DVD 2) in a few months released a Profile 2.0 BR player that outperformed everything on the market and retailed for HD-A35 prices?- Bottom
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Originally posted by BasementJaxThe format war may be over, but I think most agree the Toshiba HD-DVD players were great products at a very reasonable price point. Not probable, *but* wouldn't be funny if Toshiba: 1) officially abandoned HD-DVD 2) in a few months released a Profile 2.0 BR player that outperformed everything on the market and retailed for HD-A35 prices?
Thats where my issues (and I am sure everyone elses) are. I didnt care which one "won" I would have chosen either. However I enjoy having a PS3 (an AMAZING game station) that also does a great job playing HD media.
Sony played their cards right IMO. Every PS3 that rolled out the door was a potential BluRay disc buyer, even if it wasnt the customers intention at that time.B&W- Bottom
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Originally posted by aud19Most people already pay for an internet connection of some sort so that's not really a stretch and the FACT is those speeds and the service are readily available to most urban populations NOW. Not 10 or 20 years from now. They will also continue to increase in quality, speed and availability as time goes on.
DVD was the fastest penetrating consumer media format EVER and until a few years ago VHS still out sold it. Doesn't give you much hope for Bluray to make any serious headway before downloads/VOD geta a large enough hold to start taking over does it? DVD had no, zero, zilch competition and was a HUGE improvement over VHS and still took almost 10 years to take over from it. Bluray had this ridiculous format war, competition from downloadable services, cable/sat/tel companies and a vastly changed consumer base that's used to getting media on demand. It's is also less noticeable of an improvement over DVD than DVD was over VHS....I'm not liking those chances for media domination short term or long term.
1.) Dial-up is king and costs a fraction of broadband. 2.) High speed Internet is still a niche market but it is gaining in popularity. 4.) The infrastructure and the bandwidth is nowhere it needs to be. 5.) The proof of concept "pay-per-view" never really caught on. 5.) DVD's caught on because of the CD and the experience of what that media brought to the market place (I hope I don't have to tell you what that was). 6.) The competition was VHS and the vast libraries people held. Remember content is king not media. 7.) People like tangibles. Don't think so? Browse the isles next time you are in a B&M store.
Your wishful thinking is just that wishful. Eventually your wish may come true... eventually!. If you have faith in what you believe and say then I am certain that you don't own any HD media. Or do you have doubt? Hmm... :roll:"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by RebelManStepping in the ring are you? Time to put up you dukes Jason. :twisted:
1.) Dial-up is king and costs a fraction. 2.) High speed Internet is still a niche market but it is gaining in popularity. 4.) The infrastructure and the bandwidth is nowhere it needs to be. 5.) The proof of concept "pay-per-view" never really caught on. 5.) DVD's caught on because of the CD and the experience of what that media brought to the market place (I hope I don't have to tell you what that was). 6.) The competition was VHS and the vast libraries people held. Remember content is king not media. 7.) People like tangibles. Don't think so? Browse the isles next time you are in a B&M store.
Your wishful thinking is just that wishful. Eventually your wish may come true... eventually!. If you have faith in what you believe and say then I am certain that you don't own any HD media. Or do you have doubt? Hmm... :roll:B&W- Bottom
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Toshiba announced, HD DVD is officially dead. Seems they have planned a quick exit from the market. Hopefully Blu-Ray will soon fill the gaps.
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Originally posted by littlesaintReally? And you know this because?
Also, just because a market has growth potential doesn't necessarily mean it will be profitable. The DVD market could recede and still remain more profitable than HDM. Plus, studios are also cutting deals with other lines of distribution. It's just not that cut and dry.- Bottom
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Well, no need to fight over HD in the DVD format now, now we can fight over closeout deals for players and media in the isles of your favorite retailers or e-tailers.
My plan worked regardless of who won. I decided to commit to HD, not to one format, so very simply, I got a good player for each format, and a backup via the gaming systems. So, into the forseeable future, I can continue to enjoy the HD DVD discs I bought. So, like Laser Disc, HD-DVD won't be dead for a looooong time. I really prefer my HD-DVD player to my BD player from sony, and yes, I had the best BD player available. Oh well, they are both ok players, neither particularly fast loading, but I guess I got the time, just stick it in and do something else til it loads up.
This has been a fun keeping up with this heavyweight fight. I think everyone benefited from talking it out in some way.
Now, I am going to say this once. NO more TIT FOR TAT Quoting of every thing another person says in this or any other thread at HTG. The offensive inuindos, and name calling stops here. The next offense on this board will warrant the person a 30 day suspension from posting privledges. I hope this is CLEAR.[U]Doug
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Originally posted by LexWell, no need to fight over HD in the DVD format now, now we can fight over closeout deals for players and media in the isles of your favorite retailers or e-tailers.- Bottom
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I wonder what the margins are for HD-DVD media? Amazon consistently sells them at 30% off which comes out to ~$20. They're low volume, so margins must still be high even at that price. I've been restricting purchases of either format to the just the better transfers, but if HD-DVD drops to or below DVD prices, I may be inclined to replace more of my DVDs. Unlike my LaserDisc player (which is reserved for Star Wars :B ), the XA2 will be staying in the rack as at least a DVD player, so why not add more HD-DVDs if their cheap.Santino
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I wonder how cheap HD-DVDs will get... I'm keeping my XA2 for sure, if for no other reason that it upconverts well and keeps my panny BD player from wasting life spinning SD DVDs. I'm just curious if we'll see stuff like "ALL HD DVDS MUST GO!! NEW LOW PRICE OF $23/ea!"-Chuck- Bottom
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Originally posted by impala454I wonder how cheap HD-DVDs will get... I'm keeping my XA2 for sure, if for no other reason that it upconverts well and keeps my panny BD player from wasting life spinning SD DVDs. I'm just curious if we'll see stuff like "ALL HD DVDS MUST GO!! NEW LOW PRICE OF $23/ea!"Santino
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A German site is reporting that Paramount and Universal are onboard with Blu-ray, but offers no specifics or time table. Like anything else in this area, probably best to wait for an official announcement.Santino
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Originally posted by littlesaintA German site is reporting that Paramount and Universal are onboard with Blu-ray, but offers no specifics or time table. Like anything else in this area, probably best to wait for an official announcement.- Bottom
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Here's the info that Universal is going to do BD.
www.HomeMediaMagazine.com covers breaking news about the home entertainment industry. News on Blu-ray, high-definition, electronic delivery, TV DVD, and video games, including studios and retailer news, industry event photos, polls, commentary & information.
Now all that is left is for Paramount and Dreamworks to do the same.
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Originally posted by bw4sureSantino
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Originally posted by bw4sureVincent.
I don't want the world. I just want your half.- Bottom
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Originally posted by AllorocWell, I'd not seen this before and it was a funny piece of satire. Nice.Santino
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Originally posted by littlesaint$23 :E You live in Canada or something? I wouldn't consider anything more than what DVDs are already selling at. $10-$15 sounds about right.-Chuck- Bottom
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I love these, I had not seen the BD/HDDVD one. I particularly liked this one about the Cowboys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYu68SHWh64-Chuck- Bottom
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Warner sources say they will keep releasing HD-DVD titles until May 31st as planned. They may offer restocks after that date if there is demand, but in light of recent events, that is doubtful. It will be interesting to see what the cost of new releases will be during the lame duck period.Santino
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Universal switching to Blu-Ray isn't going to be as hard as you guys make it out to be. They are similar formats although not identical. Also I believe the studios don't actually press the discs them selves they have other companies that do that.- Bottom
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Originally posted by Chetk
Or are you just trolling?Santino
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Originally posted by Dougie085Universal switching to Blu-Ray isn't going to be as hard as you guys make it out to be. They are similar formats although not identical. Also I believe the studios don't actually press the discs them selves they have other companies that do that.Santino
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Originally posted by OvationFunny how the studio that effectively killed HD DVD is the only one that will be releasing anything in that format, for certain, all the way to 1 June.Santino
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Originally posted by Dougie085Actually Blu-Ray uses H.264 and AVC.
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Originally posted by hifiguymiFor Universal to switch to BD it has to re-encode enery title that was released on HD-DVD. It will take them time and cost a fair amount of money.
Eric
It doesn't seem like it would be that big of a task. If they were redesigning the format then yea, but it seems like a simple conversion and changing of software would do.
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And so the snowball continues... destined, I guess.
2/21/08 -- The following statement has been released by the Onkyo Corporation of Japan:
ONKYO WILL DISCONTINUE THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION OF HD DVD PLAYERS
Onkyo Corporation has decided that Onkyo will discontinue the development and production of HD DVD players.
Onkyo has distributed and sold approximately 2000 units of the HD DVD players in the selected markets due to the growth of the large screen display market and high demand for home entertainment media. Onkyo has reached its decision to discontinue the development and production of HD DVD players after thorough review of Toshiba’s public announcement “Toshiba Announces Discontinuation of HD DVD Businesses” on February 19, 2008. As Onkyo manufactures HD DVD players with core parts supplied by Toshiba, it will be difficult for Onkyo to continue its further development and production of HD DVD players. Despite this decision, Onkyo will continue to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Onkyo HD DVD players.
Regarding Onkyo's prospective marketing of home theater products, Onkyo continues to provide innovative home theater products with high definition sound and images that are compatible with next generation disc formats such as Blu-ray.
While Onkyo has been an enthusiastic supporter of the HD DVD format, it was not an exclusive relationship. Onkyo's research and development teams have maintained a parallel development program for the competing Blu-ray technology.
CHRIS
Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
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Originally posted by hifiguymiFor Universal to switch to BD it has to re-encode enery title that was released on HD-DVD. It will take them time and cost a fair amount of money.
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Originally posted by impala454I'm not sure this is 100% true. I'm pretty sure there wasn't any video/audio formats exclusive to either BD or HDDVD. Obviously they'll have to redo menus and actually author a BD format disc, but as far as the movies themselves, I'm pretty sure they can use whatever encode they used for HD-DVD.- Bottom
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Originally posted by impala454I'm not sure this is 100% true. I'm pretty sure there wasn't any video/audio formats exclusive to either BD or HDDVD. Obviously they'll have to redo menus and actually author a BD format disc, but as far as the movies themselves, I'm pretty sure they can use whatever encode they used for HD-DVD.
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I read an article from a link on The Digital Bits I thought was interesting. Since I don't follow this end of the business I don't know how much of it is true but it's an interesting read.
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Originally posted by ChetkWhich would be bad and a definite injustice to Blu-Ray. I will put in a disclaimer here that I have heard that many of their HD-DVD encodes are way below average when it comes to picture quality. I have not experienced it for myself. However, here's hoping they at least do a lossless audio codec.-Chuck- Bottom
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Originally posted by impala454Almost all of Universal's HD-DVD titles are VC-1. I'm not sure how these would be an "injustice" to Blu-ray.- Bottom
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