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    I am going to build a pair of Ardents and am wondering if someone could verify that these are the correct drivers.
    The add says SW223BD02 but when I zoom in on the pic the part # on the driver is SW223BD01.
    I sent an email to the seller and have not heard anything back yet.
    Also, how does the price look?

    Thanks, Greg

  • #2
    Wow, should have looked into the availability of the Wavecore before I started ths.
    May be a short build thread

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    • #3
      Hi Greg.
      From this thread:


      You will see that the original driver for the Ardent's is the SE233BD01-4 ohm. This driver has however been replaced by the SW223BD02 by Wavecor. Jon has been talking about upgrading the crossover design so that the crossover would work eith the 02 driver. Not sure if anyone have build a Ardent with the 02 driver yet.
      If you are going to build quite soon and no one else pop in here and tell that they have a build using the 02 driver, AND you can get your hands on some 01 drivers - then I would just gone for the 01-drivers.

      You post seems to refer to a picture or a link that is not there. Is there something that you ment to post but did not post?
      -TEK


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      • #4
        Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
        Wow, should have looked into the availability of the Wavecore before I started ths.
        May be a short build thread
        Buy this:
        Hifi Produkte & Lautsprecher-Selbstbau vom Online Fachhändler » hifisound.de | 39 Jahre Kompetenz ★ Ausgewählte Marken ★ Fachberatung ★ Top Preise ★


        Or this if you are up to the change in the crossover design:
        Hifi Produkte & Lautsprecher-Selbstbau vom Online Fachhändler » hifisound.de | 39 Jahre Kompetenz ★ Ausgewählte Marken ★ Fachberatung ★ Top Preise ★
        -TEK


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        • #5
          SW223BD02 are readily available from Solen in Canada. Crossover changes should mostly be minor adjustments to midrange and tweeter padding. (I.e., resistor values.)

          There isn't any link to checkout in your post. Is this an eBay seller?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by JonMarsh View Post
            SW223BD02 are readily available from Solen in Canada. Crossover changes should mostly be minor adjustments to midrange and tweeter padding. (I.e., resistor values.)

            There isn't any link to checkout in your post. Is this an eBay seller?
            Yeah it was an ebay seller from Washington, he replied back that they are out of them at the moment and would check into availability and let me know.
            Checked Solen CA and they say the same thing.
            Anyway, will keep on trying to see what I can come up with

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            • #7
              Now there are two of us building with the -02s. I should be ready to start futzing with the XO in a month or two. Jon's "...mostly padding adjustments" has me a bit concerned but I'll post my measurements along the way.

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              • #8
                I don't have any reason to think there will be more than padding adjustments, but as you know, "In God We trust", "All others we verify". So this needs to be verified...

                Knowing Solen I expect they'll have them back in stock soon- they've been a very reliable supplier for Wavecor to date- unfortunately, no one in the USA at the same level. You might check Mensicus- they carry some of the parts, but that might be a stretch.
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                • #9
                  Quick check, no joy.
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                  • #10
                    Hifisound has some $300.00 per driver and another $160.00 for shipping, ouch

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BobEllis View Post
                      Now there are two of us building with the -02s. I should be ready to start futzing with the XO in a month or two. Jon's "...mostly padding adjustments" has me a bit concerned but I'll post my measurements along the way.
                      I myself have every bit of faith in what Jon will come up with, the guy amazes me quite frankly.
                      Even though sometimes when I read his posts, some of the tings go right over my head.
                      Wish I had his talent

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                        Hifisound has some $300.00 per driver and another $160.00 for shipping, ouch
                        Where do you find those prices?
                        I get 250 usd for 02, less for the 01.
                        Not sure about the shipping for 4 of them - would have checked that with them.
                        -TEK


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TEK View Post
                          Where do you find those prices?
                          I get 250 usd for 02, less for the 01.
                          Not sure about the shipping for 4 of them - would have checked that with them.
                          When I used this conversion table, it comes out to $297.86

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TEK View Post
                            Where do you find those prices?
                            I get 250 usd for 02, less for the 01.
                            Not sure about the shipping for 4 of them - would have checked that with them.
                            Also, they gave me a quote of 150€ for shipping

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                            • #15
                              If that's shipping from Europe for 4, (which is should be- there are fixed costs which make the difference in Qty not what you might expect), I'd follow up with them, and check to see also if they have 4 of the 01.

                              251 Euro for the 01 includes 19% VAT which you wouldn't be paying if shipping to the US. I'd suggest dropping them an email request clarification and explaining what you're interested in- their interest should be greater for selling 4 drivers than just 1. Direct contact usually always works better than just working off what's posted on the web, and sometimes deals can be negotiated. That's my experience, and worth trying.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                                When I used this conversion table, it comes out to $297.86
                                https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...+to+us+dollars
                                Yes, if you go from 268 euro, but they are 16% off so that's 225eur.
                                And I think that is inc 19% vat, and that is taken off when you go outside the EU.

                                The 01 is less (note the inc vat in the bottom);
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                                A bit hard to read, but that is 210€
                                -TEK


                                Many of the great achievements of the world were accomplished by tired and discouraged men who kept on working...

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                                • #17
                                  Thanks guys, I will reply to the email they sent me and inquire about the about the SW223BD01 and see what they have to offer.

                                  Thanks, Greg

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by TEK View Post
                                    Yes, if you go from 268 euro, but they are 16% off so that's 225eur.
                                    And I think that is inc 19% vat, and that is taken off when you go outside the EU.

                                    The 01 is less (note the inc vat in the bottom);
                                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]25378[/ATTACH]

                                    A bit hard to read, but that is 210€
                                    When I go to the website and look at the 01, its cost is 251.00

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                                      When I go to the website and look at the 01, its cost is 251.00
                                      Hmm, I see that. I get 16% discount when I'm logged in. Nothing when not logged in.
                                      You could try to make yourself an account and see how that affects things.
                                      I ordered most (all?) my Ardents drivers from them as well as some other stuff. Might be that the discount is related to my account but I doubt that.
                                      -TEK


                                      Many of the great achievements of the world were accomplished by tired and discouraged men who kept on working...

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                                      • #20
                                        Have you asked Solen when they expect to have them back in stock? Even their current price seems better than the European price and shipping. Boy, am I glad I got them on sale.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by BobEllis View Post
                                          Have you asked Solen when they expect to have them back in stock? Even their current price seems better than the European price and shipping. Boy, am I glad I got them on sale.
                                          Yeah, sent them an email asking when they expected stock, did not hear back from them.
                                          Oh well

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                                          • #22
                                            Sheesh. Not the customer service I experienced. Maybe make your subject line "availability of 4 Wavecor SW223BD02"

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                                            • #23
                                              I'd call Solen, sometimes you can make a deal if you're buying a lot of stuff. They are pretty good about it.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by BobEllis View Post
                                                Sheesh. Not the customer service I experienced. Maybe make your subject line "availability of 4 Wavecor SW223BD02"
                                                That is what I asked of them, maybe it was a busy day or something.
                                                On a good note, I created an account on the hifisound website and now see the 16% discount on the 01's. don't know if they actually have stock or not though.
                                                Maybe I will just order them and see what happens.
                                                I thought cutting the wood was suppose to be the challenging part

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by BobEllis View Post
                                                  Now there are two of us building with the -02s. I should be ready to start futzing with the XO in a month or two. Jon's "...mostly padding adjustments" has me a bit concerned but I'll post my measurements along the way.
                                                  I've got a set of 02's sitting at home. Just haven't found the time to start actually building this beast yet (hopefully soon though). I did recently purchase a Festool TS55 track saw + dust extractor. Tried it out for the first time last weekend, and let's just say I'm happy with the purchase.

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Ok,so at least on paper and on my CC I am officially in, ordered the 01's from Hifisound, will see what they have to say on availability.
                                                    Kind of funny though, the other two drivers also came up (tweeter and midrange) as "people also purchased".
                                                    One little step at a time, actually it feels like" one giant step for mankind", jesus that's a lot of ching.

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                                                    • #27
                                                      Yes, flamethrower it's awfully hard to pull the trigger on that big a shopping cart. Just wait til you start pricing those Clarity Caps.

                                                      Sorry I forgot that you're building with -02s, Horio. With Flamethrower's purchase of -01s I guess we are it for -02 builders.

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                                                      • #28
                                                        It's a sticker shock you will get over very quickly when you hear them and the grin on your face takes over. :W Probably the best value I have purchased in a very long time.

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                                                        • #29
                                                          No worries Bob. I'm counting on you to lead the charge on the modified crossover since I'm being so slow to get started.

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                                                            Ok,so at least on paper and on my CC I am officially in, ordered the 01's from Hifisound, will see what they have to say on availability.
                                                            Kind of funny though, the other two drivers also came up (tweeter and midrange) as "people also purchased".
                                                            One little step at a time, actually it feels like" one giant step for mankind", jesus that's a lot of ching.
                                                            Hope it works oit OK. From my experience they are serious dealers. I'm quite sure your order works out ok.
                                                            -TEK


                                                            Many of the great achievements of the world were accomplished by tired and discouraged men who kept on working...

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                                                            • #31
                                                              Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                                                              it feels like" one giant step for mankind", jesus that's a lot of ching.
                                                              Thank you very much as that just made my day!

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Just wondering if anyone could provide a "shopping list" for the crossover parts.
                                                                I would like to make sure they fit in the bases as Jon did originally.
                                                                Do not have any reservation on going with Clarity caps.
                                                                I saw some posts the other day of posted receipts or packing lists and cant seem to find them now.

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BobEllis View Post
                                                                  Yes, flamethrower it's awfully hard to pull the trigger on that big a shopping cart. Just wait til you start pricing those Clarity Caps.

                                                                  Sorry I forgot that you're building with -02s, Horio. With Flamethrower's purchase of -01s I guess we are it for -02 builders.
                                                                  I dont have any confirmation on them yet, Hifisound stated they themselves do not have them in stock and would have to get them from a supplier.
                                                                  Have looked at a couple of other European websites that say they have stock at a couple of other website that claim to have stock, who knows

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Also, would like to clarify that this is the correct part # for the midrange Accuton C90-6-079 5", dont need any oh shits at this price

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      8 week lead time on the Wavecores, oh well, gives me time to money up for the rest of the gear.

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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        I'm a little surprised it's that fast. Wavecor had them listed as an OEM special order. The cabinets are going to take awhile to build anyway.

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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          Originally posted by BobEllis View Post
                                                                          I'm a little surprised it's that fast. Wavecor had them listed as an OEM special order. The cabinets are going to take awhile to build anyway.
                                                                          Yeah, actually I am surprised I could get them at all.

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                                                                            Just wondering if anyone could provide a "shopping list" for the crossover parts.
                                                                            I would like to make sure they fit in the bases as Jon did originally.
                                                                            Do not have any reservation on going with Clarity caps.
                                                                            I saw some posts the other day of posted receipts or packing lists and cant seem to find them now.
                                                                            OK - so the bits are starting to fall into place, and I think it's time to start planning my Ardent build:T Inspiration thread: https://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?41409-Wavecor-Ardent-Design-and-Build It's in good time, if you look back I actually started planning my first Avalon clone build a loooong time ago (as

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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              Thanks,TEK that is the one I had stumbled on, saved to my computer now

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Solen Canada just sent me an email that they are not going to receive stock on the Wavecores until the end of April, FYI

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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  Your cross over parts are going to depend on quality and part count, I think we all chose slightly different from $1,100 to $1,500. We all went Carity MR for tweet and combos for mid and woof. If your woof is 01 then mine had a few less caps in the mid. My final,

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                                                                                  • #42
                                                                                    Thanks DAR47, did you fit yours into the base of the cabinets?

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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      If you are going to use Jantzen Caps the cheapest place I've found to buy them is here:
                                                                                      http://www.audiohobby.eu

                                                                                      Prices are almost 1/2 of P.E. and the American $ trades favorably with the EURO right now.
                                                                                      I'm cheap! (and proud of it!)
                                                                                      Ron

                                                                                      Edit; XO will fit into my base. Woofer portion inside speaker box, mid and tweet underneath base.
                                                                                      Reading the white paper from Clarity Cap, while designing the MR capacitor they discovered that external vibrations don't effect caps as much as originally thought, internal A/C pulses caused capacitor winding's to vibrate. It's a good read.
                                                                                      Ardent TS

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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Renron View Post
                                                                                        If you are going to use Jantzen Caps the cheapest place I've found to buy them is here:
                                                                                        http://www.audiohobby.eu

                                                                                        Prices are almost 1/2 of P.E. and the American $ trades favorably with the EURO right now.
                                                                                        I'm cheap! (and proud of it!)
                                                                                        Ron

                                                                                        Edit; XO will fit into my base. Woofer portion inside speaker box, mid and tweet underneath base.
                                                                                        Reading the white paper from Clarity Cap, while designing the MR capacitor they discovered that external vibrations don't effect caps as much as originally thought, internal A/C pulses caused capacitor winding's to vibrate. It's a good read.
                                                                                        Thanks for that supplier, Ron; I've got more crossover stuff coming up and that certainly helps everyone with costs.

                                                                                        The thing about the midrange and HF capacitor thing is that there are electrostatic forces in caps when there is changing voltage across the cap, and this can trigger resonances in the winding layers mechanically when they lie in the same frequency range. The construction of the MR caps fights this, with a strong polycarbonate case, but so do the Jantzen superior Z with their metal cases.
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                                                                                        M8ta
                                                                                        Modula Neo DCC
                                                                                        Modula MT XE
                                                                                        Modula Xtreme
                                                                                        Isiris
                                                                                        Wavecor Ardent

                                                                                        SMJ
                                                                                        Minerva Monitor
                                                                                        Calliope
                                                                                        Ardent D

                                                                                        In Development...
                                                                                        Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
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                                                                                        Natalie P Ultra
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                                                                                        Janus BP1 Sub


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                                                                                        Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by flamethrower1 View Post
                                                                                          I am going to build a pair of Ardents
                                                                                          -snip-
                                                                                          Thanks, Greg
                                                                                          Have you started building the cabinets yet?
                                                                                          -TEK


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