ok, we had a couple of threads on HD in the Chalet already about HD, but I felt like things were a little spread out, so let's assiminate the information into one official back and forth, to and from thread, gloves must remain ON at all times!
so, are you in or are you out? If you are In, how "IN" are you? If you are out, what would bring you "in"?
Are you doing it one way only, or doing it both ways?
If only one way, do you plan to enter the second or play it one way until your way folded perhaps?
Benefits of HD, worth all the fuss?
Where's the market going for 07, what will be the impact of PS3 on BD? Of the 360 and it's add on player for HD DVD?
Anyway, I think the interest is now there to carry on a good thread about this, so I'm sticking this bad boy where the sun don't shine, here in HT.
I don't see this thread so much about the quality of movies, it's more a hardware/market issue, so I think it belongs here.
Does anyone think we will see a true high end dual format machine for 07? How about any dual format machine?
I'll start by adding what I think to the mix.
First, increasing resolution is usually a very good thing, that much is easy enough. Although with talk of 1420P surfacing, I have to ask, is that really practical or necessary?
Let's assume 1080p is good enough for the moment. It is certainly unfortunate that the powers to be over our theaters, couldn't come to agreement in a boardroom somewhere, instead they have to take their fight to our living rooms. Very unfortunate. Let's face it, a lot of us don't have money to blow and just can't afford to go down a wrong path, then change decisions and do it all over again. We have gotten forced into these decisions already with video standards, high resolution audio, when I ask will the manufacturers get it right for Goodness sake? Well, let's face it, whether greed, or power hungry, the desire to position themselves at the top of the chain is there for most all large vendors. Sony, Toshiba and their collective cyborgs this time.
There may be good reasons for both, but let's face it, there were good reasons for Betamax too, over VHS, but lower quality VHS won that war and Betamax was cast aside. This time, the situation is a little different, I mean we have a precident first off, of competing formats staying in the marketplace with DVD Audio and SACD, both fighting for market share. Well, we've seen how well that worked out. Sigh. But this time, the stakes are higher than with CDs, we have a much more open market with DVD sales, and people moving toward affordable HD quality TVs for HD cable or satellite, so now they are already halfway in position for HD DVD, a logical next move. But at the same time, let's face it, most households won't own one for a long time yet. So, again, we are forced to be innovators, pioneering HD in our theaters, if we are to choose HD DVD or Blue Ray now. We'll only be able to get a certain number of our favorite movies on either format currently, and some will only be available on one or the other, but not both. So, we have ourselves a real tough spot to be in, since at this point, we cannot get 1 player to support both formats. (As yet)
So, it will be interesting to see how things develop from here. said I was going to sit this one out and I had through 06. Then there I was, taking something back to BB with some time on my hands, I decided to check out the HD section, and there they were on a single isle, butted squarely up against each other, neither willing to give ground to the other's quest to dominate the shelf. Of course, I thought I might get a couple of blue ray discs for my PS3, so I shopped, and I comparison shopped.
So, then I said, well let's have a look at their players just to see what they have and there, sitting on the end of the isle was a beautiful Sony player with stainless steel top, bluish looking partial glass panel on face, of course it was HD DVD format. Ha, kidding, it was BD (Blue ray Disc)
Long story short, I took it home with me with 3 free movies and on an 18 months same as cash deal. I hope I don't regret it.
I plan later to get the Xbox 360 HD DVD add on player, so I'll have HD DVD covered as well. I will lean to blue ray when there is a choice, but if no choice, then I'll get the one that is available. I think running two projectors, this is the logical step for me, and a good step toward increasing the quality of my movie experience greatly. I will not rebuy everything, I will keep my main upscalling DVD player for the bulk of my old library and will only rebuy favorites, or movies that I feel will benefit the most from a true HD experience.
5th Element, Terminator 2, the Italian Job, and the MI trilogy are what I have added to date. I also have the Talledega Nights that came with the PS3.
I admit I did not plan to do this now, not at all, and I could kick myself for falling victim. But I doubt I will return it either...
I believe Sony will become more powerful in 07 with included BD player in PS3. Yes, the PS3 is more expensive, but people are more likely to pay the price for the game system they want. Being likely to fork up an added 200 for a player for HD is not "as likely".
I'll admit, it's a substantial gamble buying the high end player now. But I am betting that sony will not cave this time, not with it tied to their important game system already and with the backing of Apple computer as well as a host of studios including Disney which I believe now owns a portion of BD? They would not cave to give Xbox 360 an edge with the HD DVD add on
So, what's your take? Please be civil in your responses here. We can disagree and still be friends. Thanks for that.
Doug
so, are you in or are you out? If you are In, how "IN" are you? If you are out, what would bring you "in"?
Are you doing it one way only, or doing it both ways?
If only one way, do you plan to enter the second or play it one way until your way folded perhaps?
Benefits of HD, worth all the fuss?
Where's the market going for 07, what will be the impact of PS3 on BD? Of the 360 and it's add on player for HD DVD?
Anyway, I think the interest is now there to carry on a good thread about this, so I'm sticking this bad boy where the sun don't shine, here in HT.
I don't see this thread so much about the quality of movies, it's more a hardware/market issue, so I think it belongs here.
Does anyone think we will see a true high end dual format machine for 07? How about any dual format machine?
I'll start by adding what I think to the mix.
First, increasing resolution is usually a very good thing, that much is easy enough. Although with talk of 1420P surfacing, I have to ask, is that really practical or necessary?
Let's assume 1080p is good enough for the moment. It is certainly unfortunate that the powers to be over our theaters, couldn't come to agreement in a boardroom somewhere, instead they have to take their fight to our living rooms. Very unfortunate. Let's face it, a lot of us don't have money to blow and just can't afford to go down a wrong path, then change decisions and do it all over again. We have gotten forced into these decisions already with video standards, high resolution audio, when I ask will the manufacturers get it right for Goodness sake? Well, let's face it, whether greed, or power hungry, the desire to position themselves at the top of the chain is there for most all large vendors. Sony, Toshiba and their collective cyborgs this time.
There may be good reasons for both, but let's face it, there were good reasons for Betamax too, over VHS, but lower quality VHS won that war and Betamax was cast aside. This time, the situation is a little different, I mean we have a precident first off, of competing formats staying in the marketplace with DVD Audio and SACD, both fighting for market share. Well, we've seen how well that worked out. Sigh. But this time, the stakes are higher than with CDs, we have a much more open market with DVD sales, and people moving toward affordable HD quality TVs for HD cable or satellite, so now they are already halfway in position for HD DVD, a logical next move. But at the same time, let's face it, most households won't own one for a long time yet. So, again, we are forced to be innovators, pioneering HD in our theaters, if we are to choose HD DVD or Blue Ray now. We'll only be able to get a certain number of our favorite movies on either format currently, and some will only be available on one or the other, but not both. So, we have ourselves a real tough spot to be in, since at this point, we cannot get 1 player to support both formats. (As yet)
So, it will be interesting to see how things develop from here. said I was going to sit this one out and I had through 06. Then there I was, taking something back to BB with some time on my hands, I decided to check out the HD section, and there they were on a single isle, butted squarely up against each other, neither willing to give ground to the other's quest to dominate the shelf. Of course, I thought I might get a couple of blue ray discs for my PS3, so I shopped, and I comparison shopped.
So, then I said, well let's have a look at their players just to see what they have and there, sitting on the end of the isle was a beautiful Sony player with stainless steel top, bluish looking partial glass panel on face, of course it was HD DVD format. Ha, kidding, it was BD (Blue ray Disc)
Long story short, I took it home with me with 3 free movies and on an 18 months same as cash deal. I hope I don't regret it.
I plan later to get the Xbox 360 HD DVD add on player, so I'll have HD DVD covered as well. I will lean to blue ray when there is a choice, but if no choice, then I'll get the one that is available. I think running two projectors, this is the logical step for me, and a good step toward increasing the quality of my movie experience greatly. I will not rebuy everything, I will keep my main upscalling DVD player for the bulk of my old library and will only rebuy favorites, or movies that I feel will benefit the most from a true HD experience.
5th Element, Terminator 2, the Italian Job, and the MI trilogy are what I have added to date. I also have the Talledega Nights that came with the PS3.
I admit I did not plan to do this now, not at all, and I could kick myself for falling victim. But I doubt I will return it either...
I believe Sony will become more powerful in 07 with included BD player in PS3. Yes, the PS3 is more expensive, but people are more likely to pay the price for the game system they want. Being likely to fork up an added 200 for a player for HD is not "as likely".
I'll admit, it's a substantial gamble buying the high end player now. But I am betting that sony will not cave this time, not with it tied to their important game system already and with the backing of Apple computer as well as a host of studios including Disney which I believe now owns a portion of BD? They would not cave to give Xbox 360 an edge with the HD DVD add on
So, what's your take? Please be civil in your responses here. We can disagree and still be friends. Thanks for that.
Doug
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