Bi-wiring????????

[volfandan]

Have heard arguments for and against. Here is my receiver-speaker setup....so please give me some advice based on my setup.

Denon AVR-3805

Klipsch RF-3 II's

Thanks guys!

[june]

I was told to strip the wire to feed through both post for the best sound. We are doing this with our Paradigm studio 100's.

[dyazdani]

This is always a "touchy" subject. I have always bi-wired my speakers, double bi-wired actually. It does make a difference, but it is slight. Best thing to do is to test it out.

I would at least inverst in some decent jumpers, not the usual metal plates that usually come with speakers. That may get you a little better sound with not so much investment.

[Karma]

HI, volfandan,
My speaker wiring practices are identical to dyanzdani's. I have noted small but definite improvements. Experience tells me that the better the speaker, the more improvement you will hear.

Double bi-wiring is a hastle because so many speaker wires must be hidden but it is worth the trouble, IMO. I only bi-wire my front speakers.

Why this is a touchy subject is beyond me but I know it is.

Sparky

Edited to Add: Upon further thought, I'm not sure that I use what dyanzdani is calling double bi-wiring. I run a pair of wires, both plus and minus, to each driver. Thus my two way 805S's each have a total of four wires. Is this double bi-wiring? Maybe not.

[GregLett]

I've tried double bi- wiring, and single wiring using a jumper made from
the same cable. I did not hear a difference, so I saved the cash. Of course
now with the XT4's it doesn't matter.

But you have to try it for yourself.

[dyazdani]

HI, volfandan,
My speaker wiring practices are identical to dyanzdani's. I have noted small but definite improvements. Experience tells me that the better the speaker, the more improvement you will hear.

Agreed

Edited to Add: Upon further thought, I'm not sure that I use what dyanzdani is calling double bi-wiring. I run a pair of wires, both plus and minus, to each driver. Thus my two way 805S's each have a total of four wires. Is this double bi-wiring? Maybe not.

Yes, that is the same definition that I am using.

[Azeke]

Double bi-wiring is actually a redundant term, it is simply known as bi-wiring. Speakers that have bi-wiring capabilities will have four sets of binding post, two for low frequency (+ and - post), and two for high frequency.

Some say bi-wiring makes a difference some say not, still others say bi-amping makes the biggest difference in sound, but that's another subject.

Peace and blessings,

Azeke

[dyazdani]

Double bi-wiring is actually a redundant term, it is simply known as bi-wiring. Speakers that have bi-wiring capabilities will have four sets of binding post, two for low frequency (+ and - post), and two for high frequency.

Some say bi-wiring makes a difference some say not, still others say bi-amping makes the biggest difference in sound, but that's another subject.

Peace and blessings,

Azeke

"Double" or "Shotgun" bi-wiring is having two unique/external sets of cables running from your amp to your speakers. Basically, it requires TWO regular stereo pairs of speaker cable.

A "single" bi-wire means that there is one cable with four internal wires, a pair for each set of posts. These wires are purpose built with the internal structure. Like this:

[GregLett]

"Double" or "Shotgun" bi-wiring is having two unique/external sets of cables running from your amp to your speakers. Basically, it requires TWO regular stereo pairs of speaker cable.

A "single" bi-wire means that there is one cable with four internal wires, a pair for each set of posts. These wires are purpose built with the internal structure. Like this:

That's correct.

[Azeke]

My apologies gentlemen, you are correct, I've known this as shotgun wiring:

"One can Double-BiWire by stacking connectors at the amp, or by simply ordering Double-BiWire cables. We simply join the two cables together at the amp end before attaching the terminations. The price is simply the same as adding together the price of the two cables, whether the same model or different model."

Best regards,

Azeke

[Shane Martin]

I've tried the double bi wire and noticed a slight difference. Not worth the expense though. I stuck with the single run.

It's a touchy subject because it's not scientifically proven fact thus it gets the goat of the usual skeptics.

Try it for yourself and hear what you hear. There's no definitive answer.

[dyazdani]

I've tried the double bi wire and noticed a slight difference. Not worth the expense though. I stuck with the single run.

It's a touchy subject because it's not scientifically proven fact thus it gets the goat of the usual skeptics.

Try it for yourself and hear what you hear. There's no definitive answer.

Agreed, even though I do have mine double bi-wired. I do think there is an advantage in that you can somewhat taylor the sound to your liking. You can have two different types of cable, one for the HF and one for the LF. This sometimes yields positive results.

[Karma]

HI All,
The improvement I hear is what seems to be improved time alignment in the tweeter performance. I notice no particular difference in the midrange performance. But the tweeter seems to exhibit less time smear.

Please don't ask me to technically justify this view. I can't. But that does not mean there is no effect. I'm only reporting what my ears are telling me. And we must believe out ears, right??? 8)

Sparky

[mikej]

I have my B&W's bi-wired and there is a "cleaner" sound, somewhat better than before. So for few extra dollars, I thought it was worth it.

mike

[peterS]

HI All,
The improvement I hear is what seems to be improved time alignment in the tweeter performance. I notice no particular difference in the midrange performance. But the tweeter seems to exhibit less time smear.

Please don't ask me to technically justify this view. I can't. But that does not mean there is no effect. I'm only reporting what my ears are telling me. And we must believe out ears, right??? 8)

Sparky

thats all it is supose to do :T

[bvk_houtx]

I have the same front speakers plus a RC3-II, biwired, using a McIntsoh MHT100. I could not tell any difference. It appears to be a scam started by the cable companies, but that's just my opinion.

[KeithM]

I think it sounds the same biwired as using a wire 3 guages lower. As for biamping, that's a different story.