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  • David Meek
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    • Aug 2000
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    Club Musical Fidelity

    Hi there. I recently picked up my first two pieces of Musical Fidelity equipment - the A3.24 DAC and the X-LPS phono stage. Finding out just how nice this equipment is has been a pleasant experience. Is there any interest in forming a club out there? Sign up and let me know!




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  • Matt Sprouls
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    • Apr 2003
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    #2
    How do you like your DAC I plan on giving it a listen in the future?

    I like the MF stuff. I would love to listen to the A308 amp.
    I love the A/B inputs and the Loop outputs.

    Regards,
    Matt
    Regards,
    Matt

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    • David Meek
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      • Aug 2000
      • 8938

      #3
      Hi Matt. I couldn't be happier with it! The increase in detail AND listenability are not subtle. IMO, it easily offsets its cost with the higher quality sound it produces.

      One thing I have noticed, and subsequently saw comments about from others, is that with a Sony CD player (which I have) the 96 kHz sampling rate sounds "better" than the 192 kHz rate. I obviously was expecting the opposite and kept switching back to the 192 kHz setting, only to return to the 96 kHz rate time and again.

      Best of luck. . . .




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      • Matt Sprouls
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        • Apr 2003
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        #4
        I have spent about 20 minutes with the DAC in the past and did notice a difference but it was suttle. What's interesting is that it was a Sony source and the DAC was set to 192k.

        I am really interested in a second listen now.
        The only comments I have read about the 96/192k setting until now is that they could not hear any differance.

        Regards,
        Matt
        Regards,
        Matt

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        • Matt Sprouls
          Member
          • Apr 2003
          • 83

          #5
          I just seen a picture of the new TRI-VISTA DAC.

          Can't wait to hear it.
          Regards,
          Matt

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          • David Meek
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            • Aug 2000
            • 8938

            #6
            What? Tri-Vista DAC you say? Off to visit the MF website. . . .




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            • David Meek
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              • Aug 2000
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              #7
              Okay Matt, spill the beans. Where did you see the Tri-Vista DAC? Inquiring minds want to know. :spin:




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              • Matt Sprouls
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                • Apr 2003
                • 83

                #8
                It's tubed and has the same blue feet as the rest of the TRI-VISTA line. 8)
                If you have a local dealer ask them if they have got any pictures of it in the mail.
                If I hear anything on pricing I will post.

                Just picture the current DAC with glowing blue feet and you have seen it in your mind.
                The inside view showed a nice row of tubes.
                Regards,
                Matt

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                • David Meek
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                  #9
                  Still nothing on this baby. . . .




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                  • Matt Sprouls
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                    • Apr 2003
                    • 83

                    #10
                    Here is some info I got on the new Tri-Vista 21 DAC. Don't ask me what some of this stuff means I am just passing on what I am reading.

                    Same analogue output stage as the Tri-Vista SACD, 8 independent power supplies, 5 stage choke regulation, dual mains transformer and two "5703 Tri-Vista" valves per channel.

                    Burr Brown "DSD 1792 DAC" which has 10db more dynamic range the PCM 1738 DAC used in the A3^24.

                    Stopband attenuation has been improved from -82db to -130db and the passband ripple improved by 100 times. The DAC at the heart of the Tri-Vista 21 offers a serious technical improvement over the one used in the A3^24 DAC.

                    Improved digital filtering has resulted in fewer phase shifts while the channel separation has been improved by 4db and the signal to noise ratio by 5db.

                    Retail price $2400.00 (Shipping Nov 2003)

                    Rumor has it that you can get $800.00 trade in value for the A3^24 DAC and $400.00 trade for any other DAC.

                    Of course those glowing feet. :roll:

                    Regards,
                    Matt
                    Regards,
                    Matt

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                    • David Meek
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                      • Aug 2000
                      • 8938

                      #11
                      Wow. 8O And $800 in trade for my A3.24? Auggghhhhh. . . .




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                      • Matt Sprouls
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                        • Apr 2003
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                        #12
                        More info......

                        New Jersey’s premier home stereo systems dealer. Our expert staff can help you choose the right components for every situation.
                        Regards,
                        Matt

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                        • Matt Sprouls
                          Member
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 83

                          #13
                          Seen the new DAC today looks nice sounds good.

                          Plan on going back on Monday to get a more in-depth listen.

                          Local shop had Musical Fidelity in for a Demo.
                          Regards,
                          Matt

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                          • Matt Sprouls
                            Member
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 83

                            #14
                            I am in love with Musical Fidelity!!

                            The Tri-Vista stuff is killer. But I fell in love with the 308 series.

                            I thought the A308cr CD player sounds better than the new Tri-Vista DAC connected to a Sony 999ES. The A308 integrated just made me melt, I am seriously looking into going with the A308 integrated in my system and taking advantage of the Theater power amp feature on AUX2. Just need to setup a home audition... but you know what happens after that.
                            Regards,
                            Matt

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                            • sugarmedia
                              Member
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 74

                              #15
                              Has anyone seen ANY Musical Fidelit A5 reviews that have been posted by consumers and not audio magazines?

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                              • audiofan
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2004
                                • 272

                                #16
                                I have x-10 v3 tube buffer output stage. It sounds wonderful in my system (rotel rcd-1072, rc-1070, rb-1080, Aperion Audio PTs).

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                                • Patt
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 922

                                  #17
                                  Not an owner, but I have considered a 308 Integrated or a couple 250 watt monoblocks for an upgrade. :B
                                  ......Pat

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                                  • David Meek
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                                    • Aug 2000
                                    • 8938

                                    #18
                                    I'm interested in the plain A5 amplifier, but not so much the integrated version. No, I haven't seen any non-magazine reviews yet. It can't be too long though, I hope.

                                    What I'd REALLY like to have is the kW 750. :drool:
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                                    • bhuskins
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 504

                                      #19
                                      David,

                                      I have the A5 CD player, Tri-Vista SACD and the Tri-Vista Integrated. All are excellent!

                                      I have the A5 amp and separate A5 preamp coming as we speak. I look forward to pairing it with the A5 CD as well.

                                      Musical Fidelity is just an awesome company. I've been a dealer for 4 years now and I've just had absolutely nothing but spectacular products and great support. 4 years and I've never had to send a client's unit in for repair. I can't say that about any other manufacturer I rep...especially the ones that make transports.

                                      It really is a great company that has great products from entry level to top of the line.

                                      Feel free to ask questions...

                                      Brent Huskins
                                      Media Design
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                                      • Patt
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Feb 2005
                                        • 922

                                        #20
                                        Hi Brent,
                                        What can you tell me about the A5 Integrated?
                                        Maybe 2 sets of binding posts for either side or just in general your opinion of how it sounds alongside the 308....I dont suppose it comes in black?

                                        Just generally speaking, other than the cost do you think it is beneficial in any way to go with their seperates versus an integrated regarding the sound?

                                        I'm still researching my options and would really, really like to hear from anyone....even if they dont own one

                                        For the time being I'm using Paradigm Studio 40's (2-channel) and would like to upgrade to Tyler Acoustic's Linbrook someday. Ty @ Tyler said he is using Coda on his display models and other than that pretty much anything is being used to power his speakers.

                                        Thanks...........
                                        Last edited by Patt; 28 April 2005, 08:21 Thursday.
                                        ......Pat

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                                        • Andrew Pratt
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                                          • Aug 2000
                                          • 16507

                                          #21
                                          I suppose I should join the club now that I've got my trusty Dr.Thomas Limited Edition amp back in my rack :yesnod:

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                                          • bhuskins
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 504

                                            #22
                                            The A5 integrated really does outperform the 308, but the A5 separates outperform the integrated A5. It really boils down to your budget. Musical Fidelity does a great job of offering incremental increases as you go up their ladder of gear. At the $6,000 price point the Tri-Vista integrated is very hard to beat. The same goes for the $6,000 SACD player. But the new kW series does just that...although it costs substantially more.

                                            They only offer one color and at least the A5 is two-tone for you black lovers.

                                            They also are about to introduce the A3.5 125wpc integrated and an A3.5 CD player (24/96 upsampling). The pair will retail for $3,200. This should be an excellent choice as well. The styling is very similar to the A5 series. If anyone is interested in getting in a prerelease order at a great price let me know. They'll be shipping in June.

                                            thanks,

                                            Brent Huskins
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                                            • Patt
                                              Senior Member
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 922

                                              #23
                                              Thanks Brent,

                                              The A5 really does look good, thanks again.

                                              One of these days I will have set aside the $ to finally get myself an integrated or amp/pre. Musical fidelity has recently captured my attention with the older 308 being sold off.
                                              ......Pat

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                                              • NewBuyer
                                                Senior Member
                                                • Feb 2005
                                                • 122

                                                #24
                                                Hi Brent,

                                                Did you get in the new A3.5 integrated and CD player combo's? How do they sound, what is your recommendation regarding them please?

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                                                • bhuskins
                                                  Senior Member
                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                  • 504

                                                  #25
                                                  I did get the A3.5 set and it's excellent. It's really a great value at its price point. I don't think there's much competition in a matched set. The MF gear does a great job. Feel free to ask specifics.

                                                  thanks,

                                                  Brent Huskins
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                                                  • K.K.
                                                    Member
                                                    • Jul 2005
                                                    • 40

                                                    #26
                                                    I have had my A3CR for a few years now and love the sound a lot. After upgrading to the B&W 803s speakers, I felt that the A3CR is under-powered and doesn't quite unleash the potential of the 803s.

                                                    So I've been looking at higher power amps like Classe, Mcintosh and Krell but have been quite reluctant to commit because they're just expensive. I mean my A3CR was a Stereophile Class A amp - can't expect more than this for the price!

                                                    For some reason, I always thought that the MF amps don't go beyond 200W normally and never thought of looking at them until I started surfing to MF website just for fun last night and saw the A5 and Kw amps, which got me very very interested.

                                                    So I went to my cable dealer today to get some power cords and just asked whether he can get MF amps. In fact he had the A5 on demo in his shop but I somehow felt that something is missing on the A5; seems a bit restricted somehow. To my surprise, my dealer said that he can get me a brand new boxed Kw500 that just arrived in HK (I thought these limited editions were gone months ago); one of three in the shipment and two have been sold in no time.

                                                    Of course I was interested and he got the unit from the store, opened it to let me listen and I was sold immediately. The sound was just fantastic - high, mid and the bass - wow. Much better than the A5 separates, for surprisingly only 10% more cash. You bet I bought it straight away and I can't wait to hook up my system in the morning.

                                                    Only disappointment so far is there isn't an HT Direct mode - any idea what I can do?

                                                    Cheers

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                                                    • David Meek
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                                                      • Aug 2000
                                                      • 8938

                                                      #27
                                                      K. K. that is awesome! Congratulations. :T

                                                      Oh well. . . some day.
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                                                      • K.K.
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                                                        • Jul 2005
                                                        • 40

                                                        #28
                                                        Thanks David. I really like the kW500; the MF sound with power reserve.

                                                        As for the HT piece, I still can't figure out a good solution. So at the moment I just keep the volume control fixed in one position and use my existing pre-amp (actually it's a Grace Design m902 headphone amp/DAC/pre-amp - lovely music with my Sennheiser 650) for audio and my Denon AV amp/processor for HT. Not ideal but it works. I prefer using the kW500 pre-amp though. So unless MF offers a way to update the hardware so that one of the buttons e.g. AUX can by-pass the pre-amp volume control, I don't have much choice.

                                                        And I plan to use the A3cr to bi-amp my centre speaker when I upgrade it to B&W.

                                                        Cheers

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                                                        • NewBuyer
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                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                          • 122

                                                          #29
                                                          Hi Brent Huskins,

                                                          I am wondering your opinion about the new A5cr preamp. Is it superior to the older A308cr preamp in any way?

                                                          It seems (from the specs) like the older A308cr preamp might actually be superior to its newer A5cr sibling. What do you think please? Thanks in advance...

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                                                          • David Meek
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                                                            • Aug 2000
                                                            • 8938

                                                            #30
                                                            NewBuyer, find a post by Brent and click on his name out in the left-hand column. A pop-up menu will give you several choices, one of which is to send him a PM (private message). That'll get his attention much faster. . . .
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                                                            • bhuskins
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                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                              • 504

                                                              #31
                                                              I've found that the A5 preamp compares very well with the A308 preamp. They used different methods for rating gear when the A308 was out and that's most likely why some of the measurements aren’t equivalent. There is a slight difference in build quality and the A308 wins being that it pulls more design aspects from the TriVista series whereas the A5 series is a completely new design. Sonically however, I would have to say that I prefer the A5 gear over the A308 gear in general (all of the models.)

                                                              Brent Huskins
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                                                              • NewBuyer
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                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                • 122

                                                                #32
                                                                Brent, thank you for this advice, it is really valuable and important to hear from those who have actually had the chance to hear the two lines (A308cr and A5cr) and compare!

                                                                Would you be willing to comment on the sonic differences you perceive between the two preamps (A308cr and A5cr) please? The A308cr, being older, is now less expensive than the new A5cr (which is a big plus to me) but it used to sell for even more than a new A5cr - and further, I'm hearing that the A308cr used to sell at about $6000 overseas. Its specs look better than the A5cr too, which makes me so curious to hear what you think about these two preamps sonically compared...

                                                                Again, thanks in advance and kind regards to you...

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                                                                • David Meek
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                                                                  • Aug 2000
                                                                  • 8938

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by NewBuyer
                                                                  and further, I'm hearing that the A308cr used to sell at about $6000 overseas.
                                                                  Is that US$6,000???? 8O
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                                                                  • David Meek
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                                                                    • Aug 2000
                                                                    • 8938

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Okay, I ran off to Audiogon and found a 308 amp for US$1,750 and a 308 pre/pro for US$1,350. Feeling MUCH better now.
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                                                                    • NewBuyer
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                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                      • 122

                                                                      #35
                                                                      BTW David, while I'm waiting for Brent to reply...

                                                                      Are you going to start a Club Musical Fidelity (please)?

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                                                                      • David Meek
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                                                                        • Aug 2000
                                                                        • 8938

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Well, that is sort of the purpose of this thread. It was decided (way back when) that there wouldn't be any more "club" forums due to lack of activity, but if we get enough energy going around Musical Fidelity items then I bet we can arm-twist Lex into letting us start another.

                                                                        If you look at activity, we have 36 posts in this thread and the smallest Club has almost 200 so we have a ways to go.

                                                                        Hehe, we could just begin to post everything we can about MF and see. . . .
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                                                                        • bhuskins
                                                                          Senior Member
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 504

                                                                          #37
                                                                          I prefer the A5 sonically. I feel that the 308 sounded slightly thinner in comparison. Very similar in sound though.

                                                                          Brent Huskins
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                                                                          • bcgator
                                                                            Member
                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                            • 57

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Question about X-DAC v3 and X-10 v3

                                                                            Hi all,

                                                                            Just picked up the full trio of Musical Fidelity X products. Have only been playing them for one day, so I'm guessing they're not quite broken-in yet (bought all new), but already noticing a very nice quality increase over my Onkyo DVP-C802 universal player.

                                                                            I have a question, maybe someone can answer....

                                                                            I believe I have everything hooked up correctly....digital coaxial out of the Onkyo CD into the X-DAC, then X-DAC outputs to the X-10 v3 tube buffer, then X-10 outputs to the CD inputs on my receiver. So the X-DAC and X-10 are daisy-chained, so to speak.

                                                                            If that's correct, then I assume that I won't be able to utilize the MF units with SACD or DVD-Audio discs, because those are played using the multi-channel analog connections which completely bypass/are separate from the digital output that runs into the X-DAC. Is this also correct?

                                                                            Which leads to my next curiosity....I've read other people posting on various boards, people who also have this trio of products, that they enjoy the benefit of the MF products with both SACD and CD - but how can that be, unless they're separating the X-DAC (connected digitally) and the X-10 (between the multichannel outputs, front left & right, and the preamp/receiver) from each other and using them individually with no combined benefit? Either that or they've got multiple tube buffers, one on the digital line and another on the analog line.

                                                                            I hope I've explained my question properly...thanks in advance!

                                                                            BCGator

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                                                                            • K.K.
                                                                              Member
                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                              • 40

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by K.K.
                                                                              As for the HT piece, I still can't figure out a good solution. So at the moment I just keep the volume control fixed in one position and use my existing pre-amp (actually it's a Grace Design m902 headphone amp/DAC/pre-amp - lovely music with my Sennheiser 650) for audio and my Denon AV amp/processor for HT. Not ideal but it works. I prefer using the kW500 pre-amp though. So unless MF offers a way to update the hardware so that one of the buttons e.g. AUX can by-pass the pre-amp volume control, I don't have much choice.
                                                                              In case anyone is interested, I've found a solution to this that works. I now use a Sony remote control that can program macros of up to 32 steps (any remote that does this will do). I basically set up a macro to turn on and off HT. This macro will switch on my Denon pro/amp, turn the volume of my kW500 to its minimum and then turn it back up to a preset level (all by trial and error) and set it to Aux (for the L/R line outputs from my Denon). The HT Off macro basically turns the volume of the kW500 back to its minimum before switching off my Denon.

                                                                              Not as elegant as a hardware HT Mode but at least it serves my purpose and I can still use the kW500 as a pre-amp for my audio sources

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                                                                              • bigburner
                                                                                Super Senior Member
                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                • 2649

                                                                                #40
                                                                                A friend of mine in Australia has just purchased a Musical Fidelity x-series X150 amp and V3 x-ray cd player, and a pair of Audio Physic Yarra speakers.

                                                                                Are any of you familiar with any of this gear?

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                                                                                • Spearmint
                                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                  • 333

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by bigburner
                                                                                  A friend of mine in Australia has just purchased a Musical Fidelity x-series X150 amp and V3 x-ray cd player, and a pair of Audio Physic Yarra speakers.

                                                                                  Are any of you familiar with any of this gear?
                                                                                  Now who are you trying to kid here BB :B

                                                                                  Although I haven't experienced those particular devices, I did have the MF V3 DAC, PS, and Impedance unit, which I have just sold & replaced with an Elektra DAC. Currently run both a Benchmark DAC1 & Elektra DAC on 2x different transports. Although a mate of mine is a big MF lover and on his mission speakers they do sound good, in my setup the MF V3 gear had a bit of a muffled sound to it. BTW this was also bought to my attention by non audiophile friends as well. I had both DAC’s setup so A/B comparisons were easy to accomplish.

                                                                                  I have heard and read good reports on the sound quality of the X-Ray CD player and also some reliability problems.
                                                                                  Richard

                                                                                  "Sometimes it is easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission... "

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                                                                                  • bigburner
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                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                    • 2649

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Spearmint
                                                                                    Now who are you trying to kid here BB :B
                                                                                    Spearmint, I don't understand. Am I showing my ignorance about some very common brands owned by lots of people?

                                                                                    I guess I'm trying to understand how "hi" my friend's new hi-fi is. There are a few Musical Fidelity amps and integrated amps for sale on the second hand market in New Zealand, and they seem to be relatively inexpensive, but I haven't seen Audio Physic speakers for sale here.

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                                                                                    • bigburner
                                                                                      Super Senior Member
                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                      • 2649

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Spearmint
                                                                                      Now who are you trying to kid here BB :B
                                                                                      ... or do you mean it's unusual for a Kiwi to have an Aussie friend? Aussies aren't that bad you know!

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                                                                                      • Spearmint
                                                                                        Senior Member
                                                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                                                        • 333

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by bigburner
                                                                                        Spearmint, I don't understand. Am I showing my ignorance about some very common brands owned by lots of people?

                                                                                        I guess I'm trying to understand how "hi" my friend's new hi-fi is. There are a few Musical Fidelity amps and integrated amps for sale on the second hand market in New Zealand, and they seem to be relatively inexpensive, but I haven't seen Audio Physic speakers for sale here.
                                                                                        Hi BigBurner, I had highlighted the reference in your post, my apologies if my post has offended you.

                                                                                        It was your statement of having a friend in Australia, you know the "Love/Hate" relationship between Aussies & Kiwis and how we love to hate each other. :B
                                                                                        Richard

                                                                                        "Sometimes it is easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission... "

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                                                                                        • Spearmint
                                                                                          Senior Member
                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                          • 333

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by bigburner
                                                                                          ... or do you mean it's unusual for a Kiwi to have an Aussie friend? Aussies aren't that bad you know!
                                                                                          Glad you picked it :T
                                                                                          Last edited by Spearmint; 17 October 2005, 17:05 Monday.
                                                                                          Richard

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