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  • elhefe
    Member
    • May 2011
    • 37



    Aaaahhhh call me old fashion (although I am young), CD player is still an essential part of a good hifi system. For any new CDs purchased will still be enjoyed on a CD player. I usually spent a good 2 to 3 weeks on a new CD on the CD player before ripping it onto the NAS and iPhone. Listening to digital files is good for the convenience it offers to choose tracks, but it offers less musical involvement compared to CD. I think CD, which has a physical form of a disc gives me a psychological approach that there is a mechanism that is working to provide me the sensational feeling towards music. Digital files most of the time feels like its virtual. Its like someone who only chat on the internet but never goes out to socialise with real people. Not sure whether it make sense. In lay mens term, I feel CD feels real.

    Now back to CDT. The main reason I want to test this unit is because I am intrigued of the 'balanced' set up. (Note: I have not purchased this unit. Its on loan for demo). Good question on the price. I have not asked. If I only decide to buy after the demo, I will know the price. Reason being is that, I do not want to get influenced by the price tag to evaluate the unit. Some people will tend to say a unit is good just becauce the price tag is above RM10K and anything below that is crap. So might as well I dont ask the price.

    Now about the balance, a few months back when I purchased my M6i amp, I posed a question on XLR connection on another forum where I connect my M1 DAC to the M6i using XLR. However, I was feeding the M1 DAC with a signal via coaxial from XRayV3. So, the conclusion I got from this was that my set up was still not truly balanced. Some say XLR connection is only needed for long runs of cable and cheap units are not truly balanced eventhough there is an XLR connection offered on the unit etc. But I am still intrigued by the question whether a fully balanced unit is superior than the common RCA connection.

    So, I was thinking whether to go for an M3 or M6 CDP. However, M3 does not offer XLR digital connection and M6 will make my M1 DAC redundant. Hence, when the CDT came into the market last month, I feel like testing and compare it with XRayV3.

    Built

    Being in the M1 series, its definitely very lightweight. It still has the sexy black look similar to my other M series kit. Size is similar to CLiC and M1 DAC which it then compliment each other. It has a standby button which I like as I dont really like leaving the CDP to be on all the time.The button lay out on the front fascia is well laid oout and very intuitive. The display is of a bright greyish green. It is a bit too bright at night and it could have been better if the design came with a dimmer like the XrayV3. I am leaving the plastic cover on the display as I may decide not to buy the unit.

    The remote feels cheap though, similar to CLiC. The difference between an M1 and M3 or M6 series are significant and it can be seen on the remote. Luckily enough my M6i remote can also control this unit, so I repacked the CDT remote into the bubble wrap.

    The AES, coaxial and optical sockets are well laid out and firmly fitted. There is also 2 triggers where you can conncet any additonal device for power that can be run on 12V I think (have to recheck)

    Loading mechanism

    The CDT has a slot in mechanism which takes you away from the traditional tray loading. So no worries on mechanical failure there. However, I was listening to 10 different CDs last night and today and twice I encountered that the unit rejected the CD after loading. It ejects the CD automatically but no issues on the second attempt.

    The loading however is very quiet and it will read the TOC of the CD as fast as 2 seconds.

    CD format

    It offers CD Text and can play CDR and CDRW and CDDA. One bonus point over the XrayV3.

    Hook up

    I connected the CDT to M1 DAC using one side of VDH The Second XLR cable and from the M1 DAC to M6i amp, I used Siltech Classic XLR cable.

    For the XrayV3, it is connected as follows:

    1. Via coaxial into M1 DAC using Cambridge Audio digital cable and via Siltech XLR above into M6i
    2. Via X-10 V3 using QED Signature IC into the the X-10 V3 and also into the M6i amp

    The session

    The test tracks:

    1. Andrea Bocelli - Time to Say Goodbye
    2. Janet Seidl - Till I Have You
    3. My Hero - Foo Fighters

    Volume was set at my normal listening level - 9 o'clock on the dial.

    The unit is brand new, so I guess it needs burning in first. So I wasnt expecting anything major improvement. But lo and behold, the instant I put on Andrea, the room was fill with music. There was this liveliness injected that I though I was listening to a concert version of the track. I immediately change the CD into my XRay V3 just to make sure my mind was not playing a trick on me. I first tested via X10V3.

    And yes, it did not. There is a big different in the high notes. The CDT gave a brighter presentation of Andrea's vocal and the accompanied musical instrument in which it can be a little overwhelming. I guess the this is because the X10V3 does inject warmness to the music. But it was still much livelier than going via X10V3. And the loudness of course is lesser than the XLR connection.

    I then switched the XRay V3 to the coaxial via M1 DAC. Here is when the difference is not that transparent. I kept repeating the track and switching between CDT and XRayV3. Although the liveliness, the CDT wins hands on, but the clarity and detail, cant hear much different.

    Same goes for the low end notes. On the track My Hero, the bass drum on both XRayV3 and CDT, provide justice to the ProAc. Bass was full, taut and very controlled.

    Putting on Janet Seidl (a HDCD), provides the same presentation between both. I could start comparing them with HDCD decoding via my X-DAC, but it was 1 am, so NO.

    I went to bed by putting on the Andrea Bocelli CD on shuffle repeat. I concluded that digitally, there is not much different between a coaxial and XLR connection. But somehow, the CDT added the liveliness.

    Same story the next day? Nope. A big nope. After running in for about 12 hours, the liveliness of the CDT is more uplifitng and the high end notes were less harsh. I repeatted the above tests and found:

    1. The CDT provides a much more open presentation of the music, with maintaining the similar level of detail and clarity from XRayV3
    2. The low end notes on both units are very controlled and defined. It made the ProAc seems larger than its size.
    3. The 'analogue' connection via X10V3, although sounds very warm, now seems lacking in liveliness. Warm is important to me but now it sounds rather flat. Ooohhh is the X10 V3 going to be on sale soon?

    Conclusion

    Hhhmmmmm a tough one. Do I replace the less than a year old XRayV3 with the CDT? Is it really an upgrade? Or I am just going parallel and just want to really believe that XLR/AES digital connection is superior than coaxial and optical, especially that this set up will define that my system is truly balanced? Or do I really want to buy in to the believe that separate transport and DAC provides a better set up?

    Too soon to answer hhehehe. Give me a few more weeks with this unit.
    HiFi: ClearAudio Concept TT, Musical Fidelity M6i amp and M6 DAC, M1s (PWR,CDT, CLiC, ViNL), SONY MDSJA20ES MDP, ProAc D18 with full Siltech cabling.

    HeadFi: Beyerdynamic T1 and Oppo HA-1

    HT: Samsung 65" Curve LED, OPPO BDP 95-EU, Yamaha RX-V2067, PMC twenty 23 front and Centre, Wharfedale WH2, SVS Sub, with full QED cabling

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    • ASPERO
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 12

      Recorded video of his system on a smartphone Nokia N8

      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


      Yours truly, Dmitriy
      From the heart of Russia

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      • Mick725
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 12

        Musical Fidelity V-DAC MKII



        Musical Fidelity have announced that they are to be releasing a new version of the V-DAC aptly named V-DAC II. The latest version will be housed in a sturdier silver chassis and feature the same Asynchronous technology found in their excellent V-Link. The latest rendition also boasts to have halved the amount of distortion, now at just 0.002% from 20Hz to 20kHz.

        More info can be found: HERE !

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        • dew1982
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 2

          Musical Fidelity M1 CDT/DAC

          Hi everyone

          good day from Bangkok, i just be new member bought M1CDT/DAC last 2 weeks.

          I have wonder that is this normal? I have connect CDT+DAC via XLR cable in AES/EBU and Coaxial cable in SPDIF. Once I have remove coaxial cable AES/EBU have no signal.

          If I connect AES/EBU only or together with optical there is no signal but if I connect coaxial this AES/EBU worked. So now I have to connect both Coaxial and AES/EBU in order to play via AES/EBU

          So need some expert from you guys that is this usual?

          Thanks in advance

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          • ASPERO
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 12

            Originally posted by ignatz22
            My 24/96 files won't play thru my Musical Fidelity KW25 DAC.
            I'm using a Halide Bridge USB / S/PDIF converter and my interface is J RIVER MC15.
            J River plays the file, but the dac recognize the Halide Bridge output.
            Am I correct in assuming that this dac is unable to to accept a 24/96 file ?
            Would another USB / S/PDIF adapter solve the problem ?
            If so, why ?

            Thanks To All.
            will not be - http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html

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            • elhefe
              Member
              • May 2011
              • 37

              Hi dew1982,

              That is not normal. Mine does not behave that way. I just need one XLR connection to the DAC.


              Originally posted by dew1982
              Hi everyone

              good day from Bangkok, i just be new member bought M1CDT/DAC last 2 weeks.

              I have wonder that is this normal? I have connect CDT+DAC via XLR cable in AES/EBU and Coaxial cable in SPDIF. Once I have remove coaxial cable AES/EBU have no signal.

              If I connect AES/EBU only or together with optical there is no signal but if I connect coaxial this AES/EBU worked. So now I have to connect both Coaxial and AES/EBU in order to play via AES/EBU

              So need some expert from you guys that is this usual?

              Thanks in advance
              HiFi: ClearAudio Concept TT, Musical Fidelity M6i amp and M6 DAC, M1s (PWR,CDT, CLiC, ViNL), SONY MDSJA20ES MDP, ProAc D18 with full Siltech cabling.

              HeadFi: Beyerdynamic T1 and Oppo HA-1

              HT: Samsung 65" Curve LED, OPPO BDP 95-EU, Yamaha RX-V2067, PMC twenty 23 front and Centre, Wharfedale WH2, SVS Sub, with full QED cabling

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              • ASPERO
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 12

                New video. Musical Fidelity - TOTAL CONTROL :T

                [YOUTUBE]jVx60srwiv4?hd=1[/YOUTUBE]

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                • HDBLU
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 311

                  Originally posted by ASPERO
                  New video. Musical Fidelity - TOTAL CONTROL :T

                  [YOUTUBE]jVx60srwiv4?hd=1[/YOUTUBE]
                  Hi There what is the Music your player can you give me a link to amazon.com. cheers
                  2ch Setup
                  Krix Neupohonix
                  Musical Fidelity M6i
                  Musical Fidelity M6CDP
                  Denon DCD-1510 SACD Player

                  Cables I Use
                  MIT

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                  • ASPERO
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 12

                    Originally posted by HDBLU
                    Hi There what is the Music your player can you give me a link to amazon.com. cheers



                    amazon.com

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                    • HDBLU
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 311

                      thanks hopes

                      I was thinking of that movie when i was watching your clip cheers.
                      2ch Setup
                      Krix Neupohonix
                      Musical Fidelity M6i
                      Musical Fidelity M6CDP
                      Denon DCD-1510 SACD Player

                      Cables I Use
                      MIT

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                      • johnecuevas
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 20

                        -void-
                        Last edited by johnecuevas; 21 October 2011, 12:05 Friday.

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                        • elhefe
                          Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 37

                          MF M1 ViNL - A Personal Review

                          First Minute impression....I found my missing link to my Concept. Review soon....



                          Now folks, been running the Concept TT through the ViNL for about 8 hours now over 2 days. And my first minute impression of the unit just got better and better.

                          People might feel that I went over the top with the remark of the missing link in my TT venture but this piece of kit really did gave the BIGGEST improvement compared to when I upgraded my CDP, Amp and speakers. Value for money it is indeed. Especially for someone whom have been facing lows and highs of using TT for the past few months.

                          Built

                          As the thread title suggest, it came in the increasingly popular shoebox black ash casing, similar to the other M1 series of CLiC, CDT, DAC and HPA. Relatively lightweight at 3.5 KG unboxed. Nicely finished with the normal 3 pin power cord, another feature that is always good in my book. I dont really like equipments that comes with those 9 Volts plug.

                          The display window is the similar light blue screen similar to CDT. It is easily legible from about 6 ft away.

                          The soft buttons for Power/Standby and the list of options between MC and MM and the response curve are very responsive and well laid across the front fascia.

                          Input/Output

                          1. 1 pair of RCA MM input

                          2. 1 pair of RCA MC input

                          3. 1 pair of RCA output

                          4. 1 pair of balanced XLR output

                          5. 1 trigger input

                          6. 1 trigger output

                          7. Earth connection

                          I particularly like the feature of having the XLR output but unfortunately I will not be able to use it as the only XLR input on my M6i amp is used by my M1 DAC. Bummer.

                          Features

                          This is the best. Well, at least for me as these features really gave me the biggest improvement. More importantly, I found that music signature that I long for from the TT. I do believe some of this impression I get is due to the fact that my ears are accustomed to MF signature.

                          1. MC Loading resistor selection

                          There are 10 options available to choose - 10,18, 25, 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600 or 470000 R (ohms).

                          With minimal knowledge, what I notice is that the higher the resistor value, the 'louder' the TT sounds. At a 10 o' clock volume on the amp, the TT sounds louder at 47k R and softer at 10R. After few hours of listening, it does not only do that but what it does (to my ears), smoothens some harshness on the high notes at 47K. Tried some 'noisy' LPs, and the harshness on some of them are reduced.

                          I find myself to like 47K R best for older LPs and 1600 R on new LPs.

                          For MC, capacitor is fixed at 470 pF.

                          -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                          2. MM loading resistor selection

                          Two options available at 47K and 68K R

                          3. MM loading capacitor

                          Eight options available - 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 picoFarad (pF)

                          For items 2 and 3, I have no chance to test it.

                          -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                          4. RIAA and IEC

                          The choice to roll off the output at very low frequencies from the normal RIAA frequency response can be activated by choosing IEC.

                          On one of my old LPs that is very noisy, choosing IEC sounds much better as it reduces surface noise.

                          Listening Session

                          First went in was Diana Krall - Quiet Nights. First track was Walk on By. It sounded really different from my NAD phonostage. One thing for sure, the warm MF signature has been injected into the Concept TT. Very nice indeed. It gave me this chill to the spine. Diana's vocal extremely blends into the entire song.

                          Then went in my famous Black Dog Bone LP. It sounded less mechanical using ViNL. It took away some part of the 70's sound and gave it more life. Not sure whether thats what you want from your 70's LPs but it did took away a lot of background noise which then gives me a good clean sound with a touch of warmth.

                          OK, now those LPs have always been good to me eversince I got into TT. Now the greatest challenge is those so called 45 RPM audiophiles LPs, namely Metallica.

                          So went on Ride the Lightning LP. First track on was From Whom the Bell Tolls.

                          Applying 47K R and IEC, thats when Metallica sounded better than the usual sound I hear using NAD. More liveliness to the overall dull and flat sound previously heard via NAD. At 10 R and RIAA, its not worth listening to.

                          Next track was Fade to Black. The guitar intro was superb on 47K R and IEC. The drums still sounded a bit flat but there was an improvement.

                          I am still not convinced with this audiphile grade claim on 45 RPM. But I am glad this ViNL injected some life into my 45 RPM LPs.

                          Is it that good?

                          To me, YES. Why? Maybe because I am a novice in LP. Maybe because my forehead has an MF stamp on it. But my ears surely like what they are hearing.
                          HiFi: ClearAudio Concept TT, Musical Fidelity M6i amp and M6 DAC, M1s (PWR,CDT, CLiC, ViNL), SONY MDSJA20ES MDP, ProAc D18 with full Siltech cabling.

                          HeadFi: Beyerdynamic T1 and Oppo HA-1

                          HT: Samsung 65" Curve LED, OPPO BDP 95-EU, Yamaha RX-V2067, PMC twenty 23 front and Centre, Wharfedale WH2, SVS Sub, with full QED cabling

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                          • Everlast
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 2

                            Hi all, I got lucky to buy Musical Fidelity KW500 integrated amp, I like the sound a lot, but just got some problem 2day one of the front leg lights on psu gone complitly, just wondering what is that, and how to fix it. How is bad it is. I think sound is ok but not sure. Any recomendations, please.


                            Thanks

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                            • greenjudas
                              Member
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 85

                              A308 preamp...does it have H/T bypass

                              Hi all,

                              as the title suggests,am looking at getting a MF A308 preamp and wondering if it has this feature.

                              I currently have an A3.5 integrated which has it and I was under the impression that most MF integrated's and preamps had it but can't seem to find info.

                              Any help much appreciated,

                              Jeff

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                              • Fsb
                                Junior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 6

                                Musical fidelity gear with b&w 802d

                                Hi
                                I like to have some comments about your experience with combination of b&w speakers and musical fidelity.
                                In my case i have the follow gear:
                                B&w 802d
                                Musical fidelity kw 550
                                Musical fidelity dm25 dac and transport
                                Kimber select 1016 rca interconnect
                                Kimber select 3033 speaker cable


                                My questions are:
                                Are you satisfy with the combination?
                                What to do to improve? For example sound stage, sound focusing, musicality...

                                Best regards for all

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                                • slayer
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Dec 2005
                                  • 216

                                  So for about 8 years or so I have been looking at MF DACs. On a budget. Originally I looked at the X-dac. A friend of mine who lives in Vegas has one of the Tri-Vista 21 DACs he uses with his Amazing Platinum speakers. it's an incredible system. I kind of gave up on my system after a recent divorce and decided to just be happy with what I have. A coworker of mine and I started talking audio a few weeks ago. He has the V-Dac, the original black version. He also tried the Dacmagic by Cambridge. He loves his little V-dac and I started looking at them on the used market and reading reviews and forums on it. I decided to text my buddy with the Tri-Vista and get his opinion on budget DACs. He lives in Vegas and I knew he was just at CES so I wanted a review as well. Ends up, he is now using a PS Audio Perfectwave DAC and has for about a year now. The Tri-Vista was now in his Boneyard. Out of the V-dac and Dacmagic, he told me to go with the V-Dac. The new version if possible. Then he said to just buy his Tri-Vista. I laughed and texted back to remember what two other Dacs I was inquiring about. The Tri-Vista was out of my league. He then replied, "Is $400 out of your league"??????
                                  So now I'm gonna have a Tri-Vista. He said it's got about 2K hours on it and works perfect but the Coax input isn't working. He only knew as before he pulled it, he tried to do an A/B test of the Toslink and Coax. He only used the Toslink and was just curious if the coax sounded better. So I too will use the Toslink and maybe see about sending it in down the road for the upgrade mods and have it fixed. Anyone know about the spare tubes MF supposedly keeps on hand for every unit sold? Is this true? How does that work? Can't wait to see if it improved my system in a night and day fashion. My system consists of....
                                  Halo C2 (pre-pro)
                                  Earthquake Cinenova Grande (5ch amp)
                                  Toshiba SD-9200 (used as transport)
                                  Sony PS3 (Bluray)
                                  Monster Cable Signiture Series HTPS 7000
                                  Xbox 360
                                  Panasonic 60" ST Series Plasma
                                  Energy Veritas 2.2i fronts
                                  Energy Veritas 2.0i center
                                  CAT Tiburon series for rears
                                  Custom 15" sealed sub (Diamond Audio TDX15 in 300lb enclosure!)
                                  Shunyata Research Python Power Cable for amp
                                  Shunyata Research Diamondback Power Cable for Transport
                                  Analysis Plus Oval 10 Power Cable for Halo C2
                                  Interconnects are a mix of Monster, Audioquests, Straightwire, Analysis Plus....
                                  Parasound Halo C2
                                  Earthquake Cinenova Grande (5ch amp)
                                  Crown X1000 (2ch amp)
                                  Oppo BDP103
                                  Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 21 Tube DAC
                                  Xbox One
                                  Monster Cable Signiture Series HTPS 7000
                                  Panasonic 60" ST Series Plasma
                                  BenQ HT1075 projector w/ 92" Dragonfly screen
                                  Energy Veritas 2.2i fronts
                                  Energy Veritas 2.0i center
                                  CAT Tiburon series side surround
                                  Energy E-XL 15 rear surround
                                  Velodyne SMS-1
                                  Custom 15" sealed sub (Diamond Audio TDX15)

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                                  • madmac
                                    Moderator Emeritus
                                    • Aug 2010
                                    • 3122

                                    Originally posted by slayer
                                    So for about 8 years or so I have been looking at MF DACs. On a budget. Originally I looked at the X-dac. A friend of mine who lives in Vegas has one of the Tri-Vista 21 DACs he uses with his Amazing Platinum speakers. it's an incredible system. I kind of gave up on my system after a recent divorce and decided to just be happy with what I have. A coworker of mine and I started talking audio a few weeks ago. He has the V-Dac, the original black version. He also tried the Dacmagic by Cambridge. He loves his little V-dac and I started looking at them on the used market and reading reviews and forums on it. I decided to text my buddy with the Tri-Vista and get his opinion on budget DACs. He lives in Vegas and I knew he was just at CES so I wanted a review as well. Ends up, he is now using a PS Audio Perfectwave DAC and has for about a year now. The Tri-Vista was now in his Boneyard. Out of the V-dac and Dacmagic, he told me to go with the V-Dac. The new version if possible. Then he said to just buy his Tri-Vista. I laughed and texted back to remember what two other Dacs I was inquiring about. The Tri-Vista was out of my league. He then replied, "Is $400 out of your league"??????
                                    So now I'm gonna have a Tri-Vista. He said it's got about 2K hours on it and works perfect but the Coax input isn't working. He only knew as before he pulled it, he tried to do an A/B test of the Toslink and Coax. He only used the Toslink and was just curious if the coax sounded better. So I too will use the Toslink and maybe see about sending it in down the road for the upgrade mods and have it fixed. Anyone know about the spare tubes MF supposedly keeps on hand for every unit sold? Is this true? How does that work? Can't wait to see if it improved my system in a night and day fashion. My system consists of....
                                    Halo C2 (pre-pro)
                                    Earthquake Cinenova Grande (5ch amp)
                                    Toshiba SD-9200 (used as transport)
                                    Sony PS3 (Bluray)
                                    Monster Cable Signiture Series HTPS 7000
                                    Xbox 360
                                    Panasonic 60" ST Series Plasma
                                    Energy Veritas 2.2i fronts
                                    Energy Veritas 2.0i center
                                    CAT Tiburon series for rears
                                    Custom 15" sealed sub (Diamond Audio TDX15 in 300lb enclosure!)
                                    Shunyata Research Python Power Cable for amp
                                    Shunyata Research Diamondback Power Cable for Transport
                                    Analysis Plus Oval 10 Power Cable for Halo C2
                                    Interconnects are a mix of Monster, Audioquests, Straightwire, Analysis Plus....

                                    Toslink vs. Coax ??. Well......technically, optical is and should be better. It's a pulsating beam of light....no resistance....clean. Coax = electrical through a wire = resistance and possibly coloration for that reason. I have tried both and find optical better and more reliable in the long run.

                                    .....but......let it be known that we're splitting hairs here !!! :W
                                    Dan Madden :T

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                                    • Audio_ElF
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Oct 2007
                                      • 271

                                      Originally posted by greenjudas
                                      As the title suggests,am looking at getting a MF A308 preamp and wondering if it has this feature [HT Bypass].
                                      I don't believe the A308 Pre amp has a HT Bypass. Only the integrated had HT Bypass. For the Pre/Power combo MF went the alternative route of having switchable inputs on the Power Amp.

                                      If you need it, the manual for the pre amp is here -- http://www.musicalfidelity.com/downl.../a308crpre.pdf

                                      Eloise

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                                      • dhokes123
                                        Junior Member
                                        • Feb 2012
                                        • 18

                                        MF A5 pre & power

                                        Hi guys iv jus recently bought an a5 preamp and set it up jus yday. the sound was excellent on my pass labs x5 multichannel amp. however in the near future i want to get the matching a5 power amp.

                                        i assume the 2 channel MF a5 would be better then the 5 channel pass?
                                        also in wat areas will i expect the sound to improve in from the 5 channel amp to the 2 channel a5?

                                        Iv seen a pic of the rear panel of the a5 power and there seems to be an input 1 and 2 wat is this for? there seems to be 4 speaker terminals?

                                        thanks.

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                                        • Audio_ElF
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Oct 2007
                                          • 271

                                          Originally posted by dhokes123
                                          Iv seen a pic of the rear panel of the a5 power and there seems to be an input 1 and 2 wat is this for? there seems to be 4 speaker terminals?
                                          The A5 Power Amp has a (pretty unique) facility that it an be connected to two pre-amps which can then be selected by a front pannel switch. This could be used (for example) for a analogue pre-amp (such as the A5 Pre) alongside the front two channels of a multi-channel HT system.

                                          The 4 speaker terminals (I assume you mean 4 for left and 4 for right) are to allow bi-wiring of speakers.

                                          Eloise

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                                          • Audio_ElF
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Oct 2007
                                            • 271

                                            New Products

                                            Incase anyone is interested...

                                            Musical Fidelity have announced two new power amps. First the M8-700 is a new monoblock amp based (they say) on the Titan. Designed with fully balanced circuitry and delivering only 700wpc into 8ohm this almost doubles to 1300wpc into 4ohm. Cost is set at £8000 a pair.
                                            Full details from What HiFi

                                            On the smaller scale (but a bigger picture sorry), the M1PWR matches with the M1CLiC and is a 60wpc stereo (bridgable to 100w mono) amplifier. Cost is £799 (£80 premium for silver) and appears to be available (in UK at least) now.

                                            Eloise

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                                            • dhokes123
                                              Junior Member
                                              • Feb 2012
                                              • 18

                                              ah ok thanks for that eloise. can sum1 answer my other question, in that will the 2 channel power amp (a5) perform better than my pass labs x5 5 channel amp, if so in wat areas of the music will be improved?

                                              I feel the bass extension could do with a bit more grunt etc.

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                                              • alebonau
                                                Moderator Emeritus
                                                • Oct 2005
                                                • 992

                                                interesting products there aif

                                                now if only theyd bring out a stereo pwr amp only version of the m6 500i perhaps could call it a m6 500P it would be a cracker ! and give those wanting an upgrade from say m6 power

                                                dhokes I have the a5 power amp. it is a very grunty thing. where a 5 channel amp is driving 5 channels the a5 power is just for 2ch. it is very much like two mono blocs in the same chasis. L & R channels power stages on either side with a big transformer in the middle and choke regulation as well all combining to a lovely result. you can imagine how big the pass 5 ch would end up if every channel of it took up the space of half an a5 power.

                                                if you have relatively easy to drive speakers and dont listen to very high levels then maybe the pass is quite ok. but sounds like can do with a bit more grunt in the bass. the a5 power capable with some excellent grip and control in the bass. and will am sure add well if the pass is bit wanting. to confirm though best way to really know is to do a back to back comparison. no other way to know sorry :
                                                "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                • dhokes123
                                                  Junior Member
                                                  • Feb 2012
                                                  • 18

                                                  I agree with u there. when the volume is pretty high there seems to be less control over the speakers. does the power amp effect the high frequencies, and the soundstage etc?

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                                                  • alebonau
                                                    Moderator Emeritus
                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                    • 992

                                                    can effect top end if other amp hasnt got the detail and clarity the a5 does. sound stage tends to be more pre amp territory and source. for which the a5cr pre amp a very nice addition along with the a5cd if looking to augment in the future and they do tend to show up second hand now and then !
                                                    "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                    • dhokes123
                                                      Junior Member
                                                      • Feb 2012
                                                      • 18

                                                      i will be getting the a5 power most likely. my cd player is sugden cd21 mk2 which is a capable player. my pass is a gd amp but 2 channel should really take things to the nxt level. what characteristics does the a5 power hav? i want more control in the lower and top end. and a wider soundstage would be nice. i have to say the a5 pre has really improved things though. tighter bass, wider soundstage, gd detail.

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                                                      • dhokes123
                                                        Junior Member
                                                        • Feb 2012
                                                        • 18

                                                        i also prefer a sweet and smooth sound.

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                                                        • vanderlay
                                                          Junior Member
                                                          • Feb 2012
                                                          • 2

                                                          XLR cable suggestions for M6 PRE/PRX?

                                                          I just ordered a new set of M6 separates after trying a demo at home.

                                                          In order to take advantage of the balanced connections, I need two sets of XLR cables.

                                                          My MF dealer onsy sells Audioquest, which is a possibility (Diamondback or King Cobra), but I'd like to hear if anyone here has good/bad experience with what brand of interconnects work well witn MF amps?

                                                          Other dealers in my area also sell XLR cables by Kimber, Van den Hul and Vincent, but difficult to borrow them for demoing.

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                                                          • wkhanna
                                                            Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                                                            • Jan 2006
                                                            • 5673

                                                            Go to CatCable banner at the top of the page and 'click'.
                                                            Or go here and talk to Doug. He created and owns HTGuide.

                                                            For my money and the price/value, these are the best cables I have heard.
                                                            I use 8 sets on my system.
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                                                            • markjrho
                                                              Member
                                                              • Sep 2005
                                                              • 34

                                                              A308 integrated vs. A300 integrated. Hello, I have an A300, which I like, and am currently using for double duty in my home theater. I have been looking at upgrades and have been looking at the a5 and the a308.

                                                              From what I read, it appears that my set up would be better served by the a308, as I understand that the a5 can sound bright depending on your system. My speakers are Nola viper iia, and are very revealing. With the wrong amp, they can sound bright, so I would prefer a smoother sounding amp, which the a308 appears to be from what I've read.

                                                              Can anyone share ther thoughts on the a5 and the a308, and even moreso whether the a308 is a significant upgrade over my a300.

                                                              Thanks

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                                                              • elhefe
                                                                Member
                                                                • May 2011
                                                                • 37

                                                                Originally posted by vanderlay
                                                                I just ordered a new set of M6 separates after trying a demo at home.

                                                                In order to take advantage of the balanced connections, I need two sets of XLR cables.

                                                                My MF dealer onsy sells Audioquest, which is a possibility (Diamondback or King Cobra), but I'd like to hear if anyone here has good/bad experience with what brand of interconnects work well witn MF amps?

                                                                Other dealers in my area also sell XLR cables by Kimber, Van den Hul and Vincent, but difficult to borrow them for demoing.
                                                                For my system, to make and experience a fully balanced system, I use Siltech XLR cables from M1 CDT (digital) to M1 DAC and from this, to M6i integrated amp. I have tried 2 other brands namely VDH and ASI. Both to me did not gel nicely with MF kit.

                                                                For your case, if you want to have a fully balanced system, your source connected to M6 pre/prx needs to be balanced too.
                                                                HiFi: ClearAudio Concept TT, Musical Fidelity M6i amp and M6 DAC, M1s (PWR,CDT, CLiC, ViNL), SONY MDSJA20ES MDP, ProAc D18 with full Siltech cabling.

                                                                HeadFi: Beyerdynamic T1 and Oppo HA-1

                                                                HT: Samsung 65" Curve LED, OPPO BDP 95-EU, Yamaha RX-V2067, PMC twenty 23 front and Centre, Wharfedale WH2, SVS Sub, with full QED cabling

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                                                                • alebonau
                                                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                  • 992

                                                                  still dont get why they dont do a m6 500p. as in the power amp version of the m6 500i. would make sense would think for those looking for a bit more grunt and a step up from the m6prx !

                                                                  would be so easy too. just take the pre amp out the m6500i and re package as power amp ! easy !
                                                                  "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                                  • dhokes123
                                                                    Junior Member
                                                                    • Feb 2012
                                                                    • 18

                                                                    hii guys,any1 know whether there are either the a5 power amp or superchargers for sale inthe uk?

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                                                                    • alebonau
                                                                      Moderator Emeritus
                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                      • 992

                                                                      Originally posted by dhokes123
                                                                      hii guys,any1 know whether there are either the a5 power amp or superchargers for sale inthe uk?
                                                                      both selling on ebay oz, I have shipped stuff from uk to australia, so cant imagine why couldnt ship other way



                                                                      "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                                      • dhokes123
                                                                        Junior Member
                                                                        • Feb 2012
                                                                        • 18

                                                                        thanks for the reply, not really keen on shipping from aus, isnt there extra shipping costs to get into the uk? a5 amps seem rare for sale in the uk, any ideas y?

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                                                                        • Roby
                                                                          Junior Member
                                                                          • Mar 2012
                                                                          • 2

                                                                          Originally posted by vanderlay
                                                                          I just ordered a new set of M6 separates after trying a demo at home.

                                                                          In order to take advantage of the balanced connections, I need two sets of XLR cables.

                                                                          My MF dealer onsy sells Audioquest, which is a possibility (Diamondback or King Cobra), but I'd like to hear if anyone here has good/bad experience with what brand of interconnects work well with MF amps?

                                                                          Other dealers in my area also sell XLR cables by Kimber, Van den Hul and Vincent, but difficult to borrow them for demoing.
                                                                          Hello

                                                                          I'm new on this forum. As I'm upgrading my system, an I'm already 99% shore I will go for MF the only question is witch one.... I Demoed the M6i a few times an love it I also compared it to amp's twice the price it always came out as a winner. I wanted to hear the separate version of the M6 but it's hard to get a demo in Belgium....my dealer promised me a demo but I'm still waiting.... in the mean time Friday I will have a demo of the M6 500i I have the feeling my dealer is pushing me a bit to that one (but I will never need that kind of power). But I also heard a separate version of a an 8 year old Parasound witch I really liked. So now I really want to wait that I can hear the separate version.

                                                                          Do you still love it? What are your impressions now it's played in?


                                                                          Because for the moment I'm struggling "M6" but witch one for me.....

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                                                                          • dhokes123
                                                                            Junior Member
                                                                            • Feb 2012
                                                                            • 18

                                                                            hi guys i may have the opportunity to purchase the a308cr power amp, is this still a wise choice? i have been looking either for this amp or the a5 or superchargers.

                                                                            what is your opinion on the 3 amps in particualr the a5 and a308? what is the difference between the 2? i prefer a more warm sound . i currently have the a5 preamp also.

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                                                                            • alebonau
                                                                              Moderator Emeritus
                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                              • 992

                                                                              If have the pre already I'd go with the a5 power. :T
                                                                              "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                                              • dhokes123
                                                                                Junior Member
                                                                                • Feb 2012
                                                                                • 18

                                                                                fair enough, im having a hard time finding an a5 amp for sale though and only just found an a308 for sale. which of these amps do u think is better?

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                                                                                • alebonau
                                                                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                  • 992

                                                                                  gees you guys must be sleeping or something !

                                                                                  mf has updated their website and good to see updated with info on the new M1 pwr and also the new M8700 mono bloc power amp and m8pre. look like lovely gear
                                                                                  "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                                                  • cossie0
                                                                                    Member
                                                                                    • May 2008
                                                                                    • 36

                                                                                    Around 2 years ago I decided to sell my hifi and use my home cinema room as an all in one. The result has been that I stopped listening to any music. :roll:
                                                                                    I am now rectifying that by starting again and I am awaiting delivery of some new B&W 802 diamonds.

                                                                                    I have owned MF for years starting with an A1 moving to the Xray series then finally the M3 Nuvista which I owned for around 10 years. I still have the Nuvista 3DCD player.

                                                                                    I am now looking for an amp to power the 802's I would like to go back to MF. I was thinking of the KW550 as a secondhand buy or a KW preamp and KW750' s if I can find one that is.

                                                                                    Anyone use any of the KW amps for their B&W's or any other advice welcome

                                                                                    thanks
                                                                                    Daz

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                                                                                    • Whacked!
                                                                                      Member
                                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                                      • 34

                                                                                      Daz, you might get more feedback posting your query on the B&W page.....

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                                                                                      • alebonau
                                                                                        Moderator Emeritus
                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                        • 992

                                                                                        Originally posted by cossie0
                                                                                        Around 2 years ago I decided to sell my hifi and use my home cinema room as an all in one. The result has been that I stopped listening to any music. :roll:
                                                                                        I am now rectifying that by starting again and I am awaiting delivery of some new B&W 802 diamonds.

                                                                                        I have owned MF for years starting with an A1 moving to the Xray series then finally the M3 Nuvista which I owned for around 10 years. I still have the Nuvista 3DCD player.

                                                                                        I am now looking for an amp to power the 802's I would like to go back to MF. I was thinking of the KW550 as a secondhand buy or a KW preamp and KW750' s if I can find one that is.

                                                                                        Anyone use any of the KW amps for their B&W's or any other advice welcome

                                                                                        thanks
                                                                                        Daz
                                                                                        heard the 802D previous on a mf a5cr power. and sounded a fine combination. I'd say any mf amp equivalent or a step up would do just nicely. in the current range the m6 pre power or step upto the m6500i would be a fantastic choice. otherwise could go the new m8 series as well. older range can imagine k5550 be just perfect match or kw750 your thinking
                                                                                        "Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."

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                                                                                        • cossie0
                                                                                          Member
                                                                                          • May 2008
                                                                                          • 36

                                                                                          Originally posted by Whacked!
                                                                                          Daz, you might get more feedback posting your query on the B&W page.....
                                                                                          The problem with the B&W page is that they all say Classe or Mcintosh. Classe I think are very overpriced and Mcintosh remind me of Ham radio linear amplifiers and power supplies :P

                                                                                          alebonau

                                                                                          Thanks for that I was thinking I should just buy a KW preamp and go for an AB cinema pro poweramp as I cannot find a KW750 anywhere except abroad which is too much money and risk.
                                                                                          I have the AB amps in my cinema room and they sound fantastic. Oodles of power and control the downside is that they are not exactly the best looking just plain black boxes.

                                                                                          cheers
                                                                                          Daz

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                                                                                          • plugwit
                                                                                            Junior Member
                                                                                            • May 2012
                                                                                            • 5

                                                                                            musical fidelity a308 advice please asap

                                                                                            hi all.this is my first post and im not to sure if im posting in the right thread .i've been offered an 'MF' A308 amp which i have listened to on my setup for around 3 hours or so and i really liked it.were there any issues/problems with the 308?
                                                                                            it is in exerlent condition and sounds great.i have been offered this for £800.now im sure people are going to say,"try this amp or that amp for £800"but i like it so all i need to know is about the problems(if any)and if the price is ok.thanks all

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