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  • WI Rotel
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2006
    • 657

    #1

    Update on 1068 to 1069 swap

    Well it took me all day since my entire system is "in wall" making connections and running cables is worse than waterboarding :M (but it looks darn good). But I completed the swap, now my new blueray player and plasma are through and through 1080p HDMI connected. Compared to upconverting 1080i at the TV there is a modest improvement. My plasma is 50 inches so I didn't expect it to be earth-shattering and it isn't, but if you look hard enough back to back thre is a slight improvement in the overall sharpness of the image. It looked awesome with component video and it looks slightly more awesome now. Since I was chomping at the bit for 7.1 I set the Blue ray player to output everything PCM. The only thing that has been 7.1 has been the beginning of the Planet Earth DVD (the rest of the disc is 5.1). It sounds fabulous on both formats and the player decodes them back and forth without any qualms. The 1069 treats it as multi-input and provides the 5 or 7 channles automaticaly and unerringly. The sound is breathtaking but, in the limited selection I have tried up to now (Planet Earth and Life of Brian) improvement has been exactly zero since aside from the prelude of planet earth its all been 5.1.
    The 1069 remote is a definite imrovement over the 1068's it is much smarter than before and training is a snap, furthermore, it includes codes for what seems to be every electronic component ever devised plus it knows all rotel components by model, very, very convenient!
    The upconversion of of all other sources (XBOX and cableTV in my case) to 1080p is flawless as is all switching. The audio setup is almost identical to the 1068 and thus excellent in all respects. Sound quality as far as I can gather in my very short expirience is just as good as in the 1068. The main difference is that the controls seem to work in a slicker manner.

    Conclusion, the 1069 is an improvement on the 1068 primarily because it allows you to now hook up HDMI components. On the video side HDMI allows 1080P unfettered transmission which honestly is a very, very slight improvement over 1080i over component video on my 50inch 1080P plasma ( purported to be the best TV ever made) maybe it is more noticeable at 60in. If your TV is less than 50 simply don't bother. The ability to stream 7.1 is great whenever 7.1 titles show up, however as with 1080P I don't think its going to be an enormous difference over the pseudo 7.1 rotel offers with dolbyPLII+XS and dts es.
    The skinny: if your TV is less than 50 inches ignore 1080p entirely, the benefits of 7.1 audio are a promose unfulfilled as of yet. The 1069 is a very nice upgrade to the 1068, however, even with the equipment to exploit it there is no urgent need to go out and replace the 1068. If you don't have the goods to expolit its additional features (ie 7.1 and a tv over 50 inch) simply forget about. :later:
  • Nolan B
    Super Senior Member
    • Sep 2005
    • 1792

    #2
    Originally posted by WI Rotel
    The sound is breathtaking but, in the limited selection I have tried up to now (Planet Earth and Life of Brian) improvement has been exactly zero since aside from the prelude of planet earth its all been 5.1.
    You will really hear the 1069 shnie when you play a BD with a lossless track. Its not suprising Planet Earth and Life of Brian dont sound much different on the 1069 over the 1068 since both are regular lossy....well i cant say that for sure of life of brian, btu I cant imagine that tittle offers lossless audio.


    Originally posted by WI Rotel
    The upconversion of of all other sources (XBOX and cableTV in my case) to 1080p is flawless as is all switching.
    you are using the 1069's scaler? :E

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    • WI Rotel
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2006
      • 657

      #3
      Originally posted by Vancouver
      You will really hear the 1069 shnie when you play a BD with a lossless track. Its not suprising Planet Earth and Life of Brian dont sound much different on the 1069 over the 1068 since both are regular lossy....well i cant say that for sure of life of brian, btu I cant imagine that tittle offers lossless audio.




      you are using the 1069's scaler? :E
      Yes, for Cable and XBOX. Its been flawless for my elite Plasma TV.

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      • mjb
        Super Senior Member
        • Mar 2005
        • 1485

        #4
        Originally posted by WI Rotel
        It looked awesome with component video and it looks slightly more awesome now.
        Degrees of awesomeness. Awesome! :B
        - Mike

        Main System:
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        Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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        • Nolan B
          Super Senior Member
          • Sep 2005
          • 1792

          #5
          Originally posted by WI Rotel
          Yes, for Cable and XBOX. Its been flawless for my elite Plasma TV.
          the XBOX does 1080p why would you neeed to upconvert?

          also what about the video issues associated with the scaler in the 1069? Did you not get the bypass mod?

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          • WI Rotel
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2006
            • 657

            #6
            Originally posted by Vancouver
            the XBOX does 1080p why would you neeed to upconvert?

            also what about the video issues associated with the scaler in the 1069? Did you not get the bypass mod?
            My Xbox is not HDMI

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            • Nolan B
              Super Senior Member
              • Sep 2005
              • 1792

              #7
              Originally posted by WI Rotel
              My Xbox is not HDMI

              ahh...

              Bit if you are using the scaler in the 1069 to upscale anything then the issues from the scaler are going to effect all your video sources runing through it. Its an all or nothing thing. If you dont bypass the scaler in the 1069 you will be faced witht he major video issues caused by it.

              Im sureyour Pionner will do as good a job with 1080i from the xbox as 1080p.

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              • Mig17
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 169

                #8
                Hi WI
                have you got the problem with Dyn control setting ?

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                • WI Rotel
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 657

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mig17
                  Hi WI
                  have you got the problem with Dyn control setting ?
                  I've never used it the dyn setting. I'm not particularly fond of compression circuits.

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                  • WI Rotel
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 657

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Vancouver
                    ahh...

                    Bit if you are using the scaler in the 1069 to upscale anything then the issues from the scaler are going to effect all your video sources runing through it. Its an all or nothing thing. If you dont bypass the scaler in the 1069 you will be faced witht he major video issues caused by it.

                    Im sureyour Pionner will do as good a job with 1080i from the xbox as 1080p.
                    Absolutely true, however I've played with the scaler on and off. It doesn't have any deleterious effects on my system. My guess is that the TV is scaling everything anyway thus no difference. My TV has no scaler off setting. All high def material looks perfect regardless of original resolution. 480i cable TV material looks as bad as its always looked! Regular cable programming looks bad on big screens no matter what you do. I'd rather watch regular cable on my 28 inch that on my big screen.

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                    • tommy d.
                      Junior Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 4

                      #11
                      Hi WI,
                      A quick question; Using just one HDMI input to your Pioneer, won't you miss the ability to adjust and retain your picture settings according to your sources?

                      What I mean is, on my pro-1150hd I have cablebox HDMI into input #4 and my "user" mode is adjusted for daytime viewing (brighter). "pure" mode is set for night time viewing. HD DVD on HDMI input #5 with "user" mode adjusted the way I prefer for the HD DVD. In the future I would like to install a Blu-Ray on input #6 and adjust it accordingly and so on... I find there is no one setting I like for all sources, I even like to change to "standard" mode with the power save mode in "off" for ice hockey, to dim any other way.

                      This is the reason I came to Club Rotel, I'm researching the Rotel RSX-1067 for my HT audio decoding needs. I don't want to pay for the convenience of "one cable HDMI to the TV " when I'm not going to use it. I'll do lossless audio when 3 HDMI outputs become the norm. Right now Integra DTS9.8 has 2 outputs so I think 3 or 4 outs will happen someday.

                      For now I should probably get a 1068 like you had, that has the quality of audio I desire. Then, in five years a new pre/pro would be the easiest update. Maybe my fantasy 4in/4out lossless HDMI v1.3 model would become available. That would get me to the audio nirvana I'm seeking.

                      I agree with your assesment of the Pioneer. I never thought HDTV delivered the "bang for the buck" until these plasmas appeared. Best of luck with the 1069.

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                      • Nolan B
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 1792

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WI Rotel
                        Absolutely true, however I've played with the scaler on and off. It doesn't have any deleterious effects on my system. My guess is that the TV is scaling everything anyway thus no difference. My TV has no scaler off setting. All high def material looks perfect regardless of original resolution. 480i cable TV material looks as bad as its always looked! Regular cable programming looks bad on big screens no matter what you do. I'd rather watch regular cable on my 28 inch that on my big screen.

                        If your video sources are 1080p going in and 1080p going out I dont think you will have any issues. I can promise you 100%, however, that if you are using the scaler in the 1069 to upconvert to any resoltion you will experience the videos issues. Its not avoidable unless you bypass the scaler. Test with DVe o give yourself a piece of mind. It will effect your system as much as ay other. The scaler in the 1069 is deffective.

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                        • Mig17
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 169

                          #13
                          Without HDMI, standard DVD already bring me to AV nirvana :T


                          Originally posted by tommy d.
                          Hi WI,
                          A quick question; Using just one HDMI input to your Pioneer, won't you miss the ability to adjust and retain your picture settings according to your sources?

                          What I mean is, on my pro-1150hd I have cablebox HDMI into input #4 and my "user" mode is adjusted for daytime viewing (brighter). "pure" mode is set for night time viewing. HD DVD on HDMI input #5 with "user" mode adjusted the way I prefer for the HD DVD. In the future I would like to install a Blu-Ray on input #6 and adjust it accordingly and so on... I find there is no one setting I like for all sources, I even like to change to "standard" mode with the power save mode in "off" for ice hockey, to dim any other way.

                          This is the reason I came to Club Rotel, I'm researching the Rotel RSX-1067 for my HT audio decoding needs. I don't want to pay for the convenience of "one cable HDMI to the TV " when I'm not going to use it. I'll do lossless audio when 3 HDMI outputs become the norm. Right now Integra DTS9.8 has 2 outputs so I think 3 or 4 outs will happen someday.

                          For now I should probably get a 1068 like you had, that has the quality of audio I desire. Then, in five years a new pre/pro would be the easiest update. Maybe my fantasy 4in/4out lossless HDMI v1.3 model would become available. That would get me to the audio nirvana I'm seeking.

                          I agree with your assesment of the Pioneer. I never thought HDTV delivered the "bang for the buck" until these plasmas appeared. Best of luck with the 1069.

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                          • Nolan B
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 1792

                            #14
                            I want to correct myself and perhaps Kevin can chime in. If memorny serves me right if you ouput 1080p then you do not have the video isssues even if you upconvert to 1080p.

                            My Fujitsu is 768p so I can not confirm this.

                            Kevin?

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                            • WI Rotel
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 657

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Vancouver
                              If your video sources are 1080p going in and 1080p going out I dont think you will have any issues. I can promise you 100%, however, that if you are using the scaler in the 1069 to upconvert to any resoltion you will experience the videos issues. Its not avoidable unless you bypass the scaler. Test with DVe o give yourself a piece of mind. It will effect your system as much as ay other. The scaler in the 1069 is deffective.
                              The 1069 passes 1080P sources straight through. Ergo 1080p has always been "bypassed". The only sources that are scaled are those below 1080p. I'm wondering if part of the "scaling issue" that has been reported is due to setting the 1069 scaller at 1080p with TV's that are not 1080p??? As I have stated my TV has no issues at all with the 1069's scaled output.

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                              • hifiguymi
                                Super Senior Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 1532

                                #16
                                Originally posted by WI Rotel
                                The 1069 passes 1080P sources straight through. Ergo 1080p has always been "bypassed". The only sources that are scaled are those below 1080p. I'm wondering if part of the "scaling issue" that has been reported is due to setting the 1069 scaller at 1080p with TV's that are not 1080p??? As I have stated my TV has no issues at all with the 1069's scaled output.
                                That is true with one exception. If the scaler is in the signal path it won't pass a 1080/24p. If you have a TV that will accept a 1080/24p (like all of Pioneer's current TV's) then you will get the best from BD with the scaler bypassed. You also have to turn the 1080/24p output on on most BD players.

                                Eric

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                                • Nolan B
                                  Super Senior Member
                                  • Sep 2005
                                  • 1792

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by WI Rotel
                                  The 1069 passes 1080P sources straight through. Ergo 1080p has always been "bypassed". The only sources that are scaled are those below 1080p. I'm wondering if part of the "scaling issue" that has been reported is due to setting the 1069 scaller at 1080p with TV's that are not 1080p??? As I have stated my TV has no issues at all with the 1069's scaled output.
                                  The scaler issue occurs when the scaler is being used. If its 1080p in and 1080p out then the scaler is not being used. When I noticed and teste the issues with the scaler it was never once doing so with the output set to 1080p. Only at 1080i and 1080p.

                                  I would think, but cant confirm, that setting going in at 1080i and out as 1080p would engage the scaler and still create the issues. Try setting your xbox to 720p then setting the 1069's scaler to 1080i so you are sure you see the scalers issues...then set it to 1080p and test to see you dont. Do you own a copy of DVE?

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                                  • WI Rotel
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Jul 2006
                                    • 657

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by tommy d.
                                    Hi WI,
                                    A quick question; Using just one HDMI input to your Pioneer, won't you miss the ability to adjust and retain your picture settings according to your sources?

                                    What I mean is, on my pro-1150hd I have cablebox HDMI into input #4 and my "user" mode is adjusted for daytime viewing (brighter). "pure" mode is set for night time viewing. HD DVD on HDMI input #5 with "user" mode adjusted the way I prefer for the HD DVD. In the future I would like to install a Blu-Ray on input #6 and adjust it accordingly and so on... I find there is no one setting I like for all sources, I even like to change to "standard" mode with the power save mode in "off" for ice hockey, to dim any other way.

                                    This is the reason I came to Club Rotel, I'm researching the Rotel RSX-1067 for my HT audio decoding needs. I don't want to pay for the convenience of "one cable HDMI to the TV " when I'm not going to use it. I'll do lossless audio when 3 HDMI outputs become the norm. Right now Integra DTS9.8 has 2 outputs so I think 3 or 4 outs will happen someday.

                                    For now I should probably get a 1068 like you had, that has the quality of audio I desire. Then, in five years a new pre/pro would be the easiest update. Maybe my fantasy 4in/4out lossless HDMI v1.3 model would become available. That would get me to the audio nirvana I'm seeking.

                                    I agree with your assesment of the Pioneer. I never thought HDTV delivered the "bang for the buck" until these plasmas appeared. Best of luck with the 1069.
                                    I use the pioneer as a monitor only, thus, I simply have one HDMI cable going from the 1069 to the TV. On the 1069 I have the HDMI audio set to "AMP" thus no audio signal is going to the TV. The 1069 handles all the source selection and outputs it to the TV.
                                    My sources are as follows:
                                    -Cable box and XBOX are connected via Component video and toslink for audio.
                                    -CD connection is analog.
                                    -Blueray player is connected via HDMI
                                    All these sources are connected to the 1069 and as explained above the 1069 has a single HDMI connection to the TV, thats it!
                                    I don't mess much with my TV's settings they are awesome out of the box, I used one of the HDTV setup discs and the default settings were essentially right on the money.

                                    The 1069 HDMI video scaler is set to 1080p, bypass is "off". It works flawlessly (for me).

                                    My Blueray is set to decode all formats and output everything PCM. However, note in my other post that the movie can overide the Bluray player setting for audio but in that instance you simply switch to PCM in the movie's audio setup!
                                    Note: HDMI 1.3 for audio is only necessary if you are streaming the native DOLBY HD and DTS for decoding in the pre, if the player is doing the decoding (as in my case) HDMI 1.1 is all you'll ever need. HDMI 1.3 is a standard still loking for a use. As of now and the foreseeable future, its expanded bandwidth is not necessary for anything.

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                                    • tommy d.
                                      Junior Member
                                      • Apr 2008
                                      • 4

                                      #19
                                      Thanx WI,
                                      I think I'll start watching more material with similiar picture settings. I'd sure like to find a pleasing setting that I can use for all inputs. Then I would be able to use a single HDTV input and get rid of the cable clutter.
                                      Regards

                                      MIG 17, you're right, nirvana is here now. I should stop and smell (view) the roses. I feel like punching myself for the constant subtle tweaking I always am doing to my picture. Please, s o m e b o d y help meeeeeeeee!!!!

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                                      • Bostonears
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 133

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by mjb
                                        Degrees of awesomeness. Awesome! :B
                                        Awesome, awesomer, and awesomest.

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