Rsp-1069

[hifiguymi]

Something interesting I noticed on the Rotel site when comparing the specs of the 1068 and 1069. The 1069 weighs 1.4 kg more (apx 3.5 lbs) then the 1068, and the 1068 uses 40 watts of power while the 1069 uses twice as much at 80 watts.

My guess the extra weight is a slightly bigger power supply. The extra current draw would also indicate a bigger power supply. Rotel probably needed to up the power supply to accommodate the new DSP and the scaler. If you want things like that to perform their best they need very stable current.

Eric

[Andrew M Ward]

My guess the extra weight is a slightly bigger power supply. The extra current draw would also indicate a bigger power supply. Rotel probably needed to up the power supply to accommodate the new DSP and the scaler. If you want things like that to perform their best they need very stable current.

Eric

Bingo..!!! 8)

[JDH]

I notice that the specs are officially on the Rotel Web site now:

http://www.rotel.com/products/surrou...processors.htm

http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsp1069.htm

http://www.rotel.com/products/pdfs/RSP1069-Leaflet.pdf

JDH

[Nolan B]

according to my dealer I should have mine tuesday or wed next week :T

[crowland]

Hey Vancouver,

Definitely keep me posted as I too am eyeing it. Also, put me in your small but happy FPM club. Got them yesterday and there is really a lot to like.

Thanks

[Nolan B]

Hey Vancouver,

Definitely keep me posted as I too am eyeing it. Also, put me in your small but happy FPM club. Got them yesterday and there is really a lot to like.

Thanks

will do.

Which sub did you get for your FPMs?

[crowland]

Good memory!

DIY cab, 500 watt Bash amp, 12" dayton titanic driver. It works well and I continue to have a lot of fun w/ various mods. I figure I'll wait to get a sub that I really want instead of spending a bunch on intermediates.

I hear almost only good things about SVS ultra. I noticed that you have the B&W cube which I think is close in price to the SVS. Given the chance, do you think you'd make the same choice.

[Nolan B]

Good memory!

DIY cab, 500 watt Bash amp, 12" dayton titanic driver. It works well and I continue to have a lot of fun w/ various mods. I figure I'll wait to get a sub that I really want instead of spending a bunch on intermediates.

I hear almost only good things about SVS ultra. I noticed that you have the B&W cube which I think is close in price to the SVS. Given the chance, do you think you'd make the same choice.

The PV1 which I have was originally disgned for the FPM series. It's a great sub. One of the most musical subs I have heard and acts very tight an accurate. Its top notch, but you may need more for a larger room. Two others I would recomend with FPMs are these.

Vienaa Accustics Subson <--- I personally lived with this sub and FMPs

http://www.sumikoaudio.net/va/prod_subson.htm

REL R-205 subwoofer

http://www.rel.net/index2.htm

IMO part of the value of FPMs lay in the looks. Nothing rivals the PV1 or Subson for looks and performacne, but you may get more if you spend the cost of those purely on performance.

Having said that, the subs i suggested are top notch, and one could argue best in class.


enough sub talk thou, I dont want to derail this thread...lets get back to the 1069

feel free to send me a PM or start a new thread which I will gladly respond to.

[rnoble]

Fellas some things I'd like to confirm

- The scaling function of the HDMI ins/outs has a passthrough option for 24p
- That if one has a blu or hd-dvd player that decodes the new audio formats the rotel will accept their PCM feed and play it properly.

These issues resolved I don't see why this rotel is not a fantastic competitive product against all the other equipment discussed in this thread.

[Pez]

Has anyone got one yet? I would think by now someone would.

[Nolan B]

Has anyone got one yet? I would think by now someone would.

i have been out of town and just got back. I should be picking mine up tomorrow.

[btf1980]

Mine is being delivered tommorow afternoon.

[Pez]

Sweet, make sure to let us know you impessions. I am most likely going to get one but probably not till next year (in other words when I get my tax refund).

[Dmantis]

Yes please post thoughts pic's and anything else you can think of.

[Nolan B]

ok I got mine.

I havent had very much time to test it and right now I have a house full of drunk fools so i cant really do much with it. It is set up and its being used to play 2 channel bypass and 5 channel stereo. Sounds great.

I did find 2 initial problems. Maybe someone can chime in a make some suggestions. I will spend most of tomorrow morning perfecting it.

1.) I cant get audio to work with my PS3 when playing Blue Ray. Its silent. When going into the audio settings I can believe how many choices there are. Does anyone know what I should set the PS3 too? PCM over HDMI i get, but there are 10-15 choices of things like 5.1 96 zkh. I dont knwo wat the 1069 can and cant accept and I'm guessing I have the PS3 set to high for the Rotel. Any suggestions of what I should check on the PS3 would be great.

2.) I think I have fixed this problem, but it still popped up a bit. It seems when sending a HD signal through the 1069 the colors are all off. Almost the same look as if you plugged in only 2 out of 3 component cables. I am guess this was a hand shake issue because it came then went them came then went again.

It seems at this point you can not set a different video upconversation for each input. I am taking a guess right now that i should set the video output to 1080i since my Fujitsu is 768p and looks best with 1080i. Setting the 1069 to 1080i upconverts everything to that. I am guessing it just passes through a true 1080i HD signal however I can not confirm this.


again i will spend lots of time tomorrow morning taking pictures and doing any tests anyone requests. Any feedback or questions regard the PS3 audio set up would be greatly appreciated.


back to my beer...

[Kevin D]

Read somewhere else that for the PS3 to pass audio over the HDMI, the end display device needs to be HDCP HDMI compliant as well. Are you using an HDMI to DVI adapter or just using HDMI for audio signals?

Kevin D.

[Nolan B]

Read somewhere else that for the PS3 to pass audio over the HDMI, the end display device needs to be HDCP HDMI compliant as well. Are you using an HDMI to DVI adapter or just using HDMI for audio signals?

Kevin D.

I am just using HDMI and my fujitsu is HDCP compliant. You did just mae me think of something however. There is a setting/selection under VIDEO/HDMI in the OSD of the Rotel called "HDMI Audio Mode". The choices are "AMP Mode or TV Mode". If you choose AMP mode then the audio does not get sent to the display. "TV mode" allows the signal to get sent through to the display. Perhaps I need to let the audio singal go through to the plasma for the PS3?

[Nolan B]

I have been readin the manual a bit and have found a couple of things (or not found). There is no mention that this unit can accept multipule high res PCm channels. It only makes reference to 2 channel PCM. Not saying this unit can not accept 5.1 or 7.1 PCm but according to the manual nothing is printed saying it can.

Another thing I read is this.

"Decodable Digital Input signals"
- LPCM (up to 192k)

^^^ does that mean mean it can do that with multible channels? I thought part of the spec ofr HDMI 1.1 was to allow for muliple channels of high res PCM...no?

[Nolan B]

OK this is VERY strange.

In the VIDEO/HDMI mode settings i found an issue.

There are two selections "TV mode" and "AMP mode". "TV mode" mode sends audio directly to the display and "AMP mode" stops the audio from being sent to the display.

If you select "TV mode" which sends the audio to the TV it throws ALL of the colors off in the video. I have switched back and forth and confirmed this.


any thoughts?

[Kevin D]

Interesting. I wouldn't think that mode would effect the video signal, but who knows. The 1069 should process multi-channel high-res signals over HDMI no problem.

If you set it to TV mode, you'll never get any sound from HDMI on the 1069.

So was it set to TV mode and did you get audio when setting it to audio mode?

Kevin D.

[btf1980]

OK, took these pics in a hurry, my place is still being renovated right now. My dealer dropped the 1069 as well as a pair of B&W CM7 speakers. So far, I have not hooked up any video sources yet. I'm waiting for my Pioneer Kuro to come in next week. Just music on the rotel RCD 1072 played through my CM1's. Being driven by a rmb-1075. Sounds fantastic. More later.

[Nolan B]

^^^^ very cool. I was going to post my pics, but now im wondering whats the point :T

Set it up and lets figure it out. Ill be working on it all morning tomorrow.

What sources are you using?

[btf1980]

^^^^ very cool. I was going to post my pics, but now im wondering whats the point :T

Set it up and lets figure it out. Ill be working on it all morning tomorrow.

What sources are you using?

My sources will be

Playstation 3
Xbox 360
Rotel RCD 1072
Marantz SA8001
Scientific Explorer 3250HD DVR (Time Warner Cable)

The video side of things might take me a while to get up and running as my Pioneer Kuro is delayed and won't be here until next week. Problem is, I might be going to Boston on a business trip and may not be home to accept it. :x

[Nolan B]

My sources will be

Playstation 3
Xbox 360
Rotel RCD 1072
Marantz SA8001
Scientific Explorer 3250HD DVR (Time Warner Cable)

The video side of things might take me a while to get up and running as my Pioneer Kuro is delayed and won't be here until next week. Problem is, I might be going to Boston on a business trip and may not be home to accept it. :x

Great, I am curios to find out if you get your PS3 to work properly. What display do you have? Do you own many BDs?


I also have the 360 and RCD 1072.

I have my Mac mine hooked up which is playing MP3s and apple lossless and I feel the 1069 is a step up from the 1068 when playing these.

[btf1980]

Great, I am curios to find out if you get your PS3 to work properly. What display do you have? Do you own many BDs?


I also have the 360 and RCD 1072.

I have my Mac mine hooked up which play MP3s and apple lossless and I fell the 1069 is a step up from the 1068 when playing back these formats.

I currently have a Samsung 40" LCD, the LNT-4061f that has been vacated to the guest room.

I have about 65 or so BD movies.

[RebelMan]

Vancouver, I cannot comment on the Rotel side but from your PS3 make sure you have the following set from the main menu...

1.) Settings > BD/DVD Settings > BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI) = Linear PCM

2.) Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings > HDMI > Manual > select...

Dolby Digital 5.1 Ch.
DTS 5.1 Ch.
Linear PCM 5.1 Ch. 192 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 192 kHz (If the RSP-1069 supports it.)

> OK > (X) Enter

This assumes you have the latest firmware update 1.93.

Then, when you play a Blu-ray disk, go into the disc's setup menu and configure the output for PCM or Dolby TrueHD. Note, the PS3 does not have dts-HDMA support in the current firmware release but it should convert Dolby TrueHD bitstreams into a LPCM output signals.

[AVspec]

How does the 1069 handle 1080/24P?

Also I can not find the 1069 on Rotels website. All the links in this thread are broken?

[Nolan B]

Vancouver, I cannot comment on the Rotel side but from your PS3 make sure you have the following set from the main menu...

1.) Settings > BD/DVD Settings > BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI) = Linear PCM

2.) Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings > HDMI > Manual > select...

Dolby Digital 5.1 Ch.
DTS 5.1 Ch.
Linear PCM 5.1 Ch. 192 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 192 kHz (If the RSP-1069 supports it.)

> OK > (X) Enter

This assumes you have the latest firmware update 1.93.

Then, when you play a Blu-ray disk, go into the disc's setup menu and configure the output for PCM or Dolby TrueHD. Note, the PS3 does not have dts-HDMA support in the current firmware release but it should convert Dolby TrueHD bitstreams into a LPCM output signals.

Thanks rabelaman.

It seems for some reason I have it working now which annoys me becuase I have no idea what changed to make it work. Although you can see from the picture below the color is off on the PS3 dashboard. When playing a movie it appears to be ok.




I have found another issue and it effects the Xbox 360 elite (HDMI version). This issue tells me Rotel did not test this processor with the Xbox 360. For some reason the 360 gets thrown in "VGA" mode only forcing you to choose resolutions (see pictures) rather then simply choose ( 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p). Also the audio does not seem to work and there is no option I can find within the 360 which lets you choose audio out via HDMI like the PS3 allows. Its bugging me that you have no choice in the HDMI video settings of the 1069 to simply "bypass" any processing, and make seperate choices for each HDMI input.

any thoughts on this one? lol



here are a couple of pictures comparing the front and back of the 1068 and 1069

[Blindamood]

Wow, the 1069 sure has a lot of 12v trigger outputs!

[Nolan B]

Oh no....

I am finding more issues the more I play with this thing. I have the same feeling I had when I first got my Harmony 1000. The feeling like Rotel is going to use their customers as beta testers with this thing.


I watched a couple of movies and felt they were a little darker then normal. My display has been professionally calibrated and after running the HD version of DVE sure enough i found that when running video through the 1069 via HDMI it messes with the black levels.

Here is the test patern for black levels going direct from HD DVD player to plasma. (pay no attention to the blooming as its caused by the camera)



Here is the same test patern going HDMI through the 1069.



I als noticed another very disturbing issue when going through the 1069. I cant really video it very well, but I noticed when looking at the static letters on DVE they were slightly changing every 10 seconds or so! I mean they were changing by coming in and out of focus. It almost looked like they were changing from SD to HD!

Here is what I was looking at but again its hard to see. I tried to take a video of it. You may need to watch it a few times but pay careful attention to 1 letter especially durring the LAST 10 seconds of the clip. You will clearly see it come in and out of focus. What you are seeing here looks twice as bad when you see it in real life. This DOES NOT happen when going direct from my HD DVD player to display. This only happens when the 1069 is attached.

[Nolan B]

Here is the same test patern going HDMI through the 1069.

I hate to report this but I have found that the 1069 is not just shifting black levels but actually clipping part of the signal. I came to this by trying to re calibrate my plasma myself with DVE. It doesnt matter what I do to brightness or contrast I can not get this test patern to work when the signal is coming from the 1069. The lines on the sides dont seem to come back no matter how bright or dark I make the image.


I wonder what type of tests rotel did on this unit before releasing this? I am really pissed I am having all these issues which could have clearly been caught before release. I mean clipping a video signal!?

[mikeB]

I picked up the 1058 last week and had similar observations. My set hasn't been professionally calibrated, but I do have DVE and was getting ready to do my own calibration as well. I love the way this unit sounds but it is very disappointing if the video side is indeed not ready for prime time.

Mike

[tboo72]

I figured since I just picked up the 1069 Id join this forum & share my experiences. Vancouver, Im not experiencing any of the video problems you are having. I have a Xbox 360, PS3, Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player all connected to the 1069 via HDMI with the out going to my Sony SXRD TV. All three input devices are set to output at 1080p so the 1069 isnt upconverting. I did have the no sound issue with the 360 till I figured out that the input I was using wasnt set to HDMI audio in the 1069. The only quirks I am having is the occasional loss of audio when the PS3 or the Toshiba keeps on changing the type of audio it outputs to the 1069. For instance when I play a movie, in the beginning during the FBI warning & menu, the audio will switch from 2ch to multichannel or from 48khz to 96khz. when this happens it tends to "confuse" the 1069 & thus the audio shuts off. I then have to turn the 1069 off & back on again to get the audio going. I should note this doesnt happen all of the time. I look at this as a slight quirk that Rotel can easily fix via a firmware upgrade.

[Nolan B]

I figured since I just picked up the 1069 Id join this forum & share my experiences. Vancouver, Im not experiencing any of the video problems you are having. I have a Xbox 360, PS3, Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player all connected to the 1069 via HDMI with the out going to my Sony SXRD TV. All three input devices are set to output at 1080p so the 1069 isnt upconverting. I did have the no sound issue with the 360 till I figured out that the input I was using wasnt set to HDMI audio in the 1069. The only quirks I am having is the occasional loss of audio when the PS3 or the Toshiba keeps on changing the type of audio it outputs to the 1069. For instance when I play a movie, in the beginning during the FBI warning & menu, the audio will switch from 2ch to multichannel or from 48khz to 96khz. when this happens it tends to "confuse" the 1069 & thus the audio shuts off. I then have to turn the 1069 off & back on again to get the audio going. I should note this doesnt happen all of the time. I look at this as a slight quirk that Rotel can easily fix via a firmware upgrade.

have you tested the video with digital video essentials? Was your display profesionally calibrated?

I have the 1069 set to ouput 1080i so there is no upconversation happening for my sources (except TV which has no problems). I dont get why the Rotel is doing anything at all to the 1080i video signals I'm sending it. Clipping black levels and causing unstable PQ is crazy.

Did your Xbox 360 let you choose 1080i or 1080p or did it default to the VGA resolutions? Any ideas what I could be missing with the Xbox 360 to get the audio and video working?

[tboo72]

have you tested the video with digital video essentials? Was your display profesionally calibrated?

I have the 1069 set to ouput 1080i so there is no upconversation happening for my sources (except TV which has no problems). I dont get why the Rotel is doing anything at all to the 1080i video signals I'm sending it. Clipping black levels and causing unstable PQ is crazy.

Did your Xbox 360 let you choose 1080i or 1080p or did it default to the VGA resolutions? Any ideas what I could be missing with the Xbox 360 to get the audio and video working?

My display hasnt been professionally cablibrated but i do have DVE & I can see the pluge bars. The 360 did not give me the vga resolution options. It started up at 720p & gave me the option to change the resolution to 480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p.

[tboo72]

have you tested the video with digital video essentials? Was your display profesionally calibrated?

I have the 1069 set to ouput 1080i so there is no upconversation happening for my sources (except TV which has no problems). I dont get why the Rotel is doing anything at all to the 1080i video signals I'm sending it. Clipping black levels and causing unstable PQ is crazy.

Did your Xbox 360 let you choose 1080i or 1080p or did it default to the VGA resolutions? Any ideas what I could be missing with the Xbox 360 to get the audio and video working?

Vancouver, you are right-it is clipping the blacks. Im sorry for the confusion but I tested 3 seperate systems(Onkyo 905, Denon 4308, & the 1069 + a 1075) today & I confused a few things. Overall Id still pick the Rotel. Im sure the video problem will be taken care of with a firmware upgrade. If it makes you feel better the Onkyo has even bigger video problems. In my opinion the Rotel was the clear winner because of its sound. Anybody want a 905?

[Nolan B]

The 360 did not give me the vga resolution options. It started up at 720p & gave me the option to change the resolution to 480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p.

wel this is just driving me nuts. I am sure the black level clipping can be fixed by an update, but what on earth could be causing the he 360 issue? If I connect the 360 directly to the plasma its fine, if I go through the rotel it automatically goes to vga resolutions and there is no sound.

ill give a FREE DVDO HDMI switcher to the person who can figure the xbox 360 issues out for me (suggesting to get a new 1069 doesnt count).

im plan on talking with rotel tomorrow, but my hopes arnt high for a quick fix.

[maddog]

What about using a 1:2 HDMI splitter with one output to the Rotel for the audio and the other directly to the monitor. I know that adds more cables and the splitter box to a setup that is supposed to be simplified with HDMI and the Rotel as the switcher, but if the Rotel is messing up the video, it could be a workaround until a firmware fix for the Rotel.

[Stevebez]

Thats one solution ... but I am buying the 1069 mostly for its scaler and audio - The scaler seems to have very odd behaviour, and the audio processing is not without its quirks ... let me guess and we'll find the 2 extras zones work flawlessly and to be used by 10% of buyers...

Come on guys get the stuff that matters right out of the box FFS! Don't become MS and use us as test bunnies for the next cple of years.

BTW cancelled my oda until I hear these issues have been resolved...

[Nolan B]

What about using a 1:2 HDMI splitter with one output to the Rotel for the audio and the other directly to the monitor. I know that adds more cables and the splitter box to a setup that is supposed to be simplified with HDMI and the Rotel as the switcher, but if the Rotel is messing up the video, it could be a workaround until a firmware fix for the Rotel.

I appreciate the suggestion, but that would sort of bypass the purpose of the 1069. Its w work around I am considering, but to be honest if this fix doesnt come within a week or two i will return the 1069 and find another product.

[Nolan B]

I spoke to rotel today and the person I spoke to has heard some of my issues from others, but had no fixes for the issues. He suggested I send an email which I did so I am waiting to hear back.

My immediate suggestion is that they offer some kind of a scaler "bypass" mode.

[tboo72]

I spoke to rotel today and the person I spoke to has heard some of my issues from others, but had no fixes for the issues. He suggested I send an email which I did so I am waiting to hear back.

My immediate suggestion is that they offer some kind of a scaler "bypass" mode.

I sent them an email yesterday as well.

If I remember correctly it will bypass 1080p, but thats the only resolution it bypasses

[Nolan B]

I sent them an email yesterday as well.

If I remember correctly it will bypass 1080p, but thats the only resolution it bypasses

interesting. Does that mean if you select 1080i and send it a 1080i signal its not being bypassed? Actually I think I can answer that.....Its ot being totally bypassed hence the issues I am having.

[tboo72]

interesting. Does that mean if you select 1080i and send it a 1080i signal its not being bypassed? Actually I think I can answer that.....Its ot being totally bypassed hence the issues I am having.

I thought the manual stated that it would bypass 1080p only. Ill have to go back & check to make sure.

[Nolan B]

I thought the manual stated that it would bypass 1080p only. Ill have to go back & check to make sure.

I am not at home to check, but would be interested to know what the 1069 does to a 1080i signal if its set to output 1080i.