Rsp-1069

[RebelMan]

It seems to vary from disc to disc... (as we all knew it would) more on that soon...

Thanks.

However:

...

anything else you do to a 48/192 virtually perfect signal is suspect in my book...

Possibly, depending on the source of the recording.

Trying to mimic a large cinema containing numerous speaker arrays and surround processing schema in a relatively small room at home with just a few channels makes post processing features like THX a near requirement in most cases.

It's a much different task trying to replicate an acoustically live venue where preserving the integrity of the signal and sound engineering authenticity is paramount. I agree that unnecessary signal tampering is best avoided here.

[maddog]

So what does the RSP-1069 have that the RSX-1058 does not have? More features? Better processors? Or is it primarily for those that want a separates setup instead of a receiver and the potential sonic benefits of having the amp and tuner in different boxes?

[Kevin D]

The latter. Same thing, sonic improvements in the ear of the beholder.

Kevin D.

[Stevebez]

Its on their US website now too...

And rather annoyingly states HDMI version as 1.1 ?? :E

So its bascailly a 1068 with a video scaler and HDMI switcher ....? Nothing else I can see here ... also 1080p is only over HDMI and not component .... :M

[Nolan B]

Its on their US website now too...

And rather annoyingly states HDMI version as 1.1 ?? :E

So its bascailly a 1068 with a video scaler and HDMI switcher ....? Nothing else I can see here ... also 1080p is only over HDMI and not component .... :M

read some of the other posts in this thread about HDMI. You dont need HDMI 1.3.

[Nolan B]

it states on the websites it can do DVD-A via HDMI. Interesting.

Can someone confirm if the RDV 1093 can send DVD-A out though its HDMI? I assume it woud send it as LPCM, but the 1069 reads like it can actuallu decode DVD A, so does that mean the RDV1093 would need to send DVD A by bitstream? Can it do that?

[hifiguymi]

Its on their US website now too...

And rather annoyingly states HDMI version as 1.1 ?? :E

So its bascailly a 1068 with a video scaler and HDMI switcher ....? Nothing else I can see here ... also 1080p is only over HDMI and not component .... :M

Yes it is HDMI 1.1 and as it's been stated here (in this thread) that is all you need for Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

No, it's not just an RSP-1068 with HDMI added. The RSP-1069 is all new from the ground up. It has a new, more powerful DSP engine, new DAC's, three extra zones (instead of one) for distributed audio to name the main differences. Rotel made sure this was a better preamp than the out going RSP-1068 since it was going to be more expensive.

Eric

[hifiguymi]

it states on the websites it can do DVD-A via HDMI. Interesting.

Can someone confirm if the RDV 1093 can send DVD-A out though its HDMI? I assume it woud send it as LPCM, but the 1069 reads like it can actuallu decode DVD A, so does that mean the RDV1093 would need to send DVD A by bitstream? Can it do that?

One of the main additions of HDMI 1.1 (from HDMI 1.0) was the addition of wide bandwidth multi-channel audio (both LPCM and MLP). Every piece of gear I've had my hands on that is HDMI 1.1 will do DVD-Audio over HDMI. The RDV-1092 (I have hooked up an RDV-1092 to a receiver via HDMI and did listen to a DVD-A) and RDV-1093 will do DVD-Audio over HDMI so you could hook those players up to an RSX-1058 or RSP-1069 via HDMI and listen to DVD-A in all it's glory.

Eric

[Andrew M Ward]

... also 1080p is only over HDMI and not component .... :M

Um...
Can't do 1080P over component (nobody can) that' I've seen...

[Kevin D]

Um...
Can't do 1080P over component (nobody can) that' I've seen...

Heh.. I got bit by this too. The PS3 can output games at 1080p over component and some tv's do accept 1080p through their components.

However in the case we're dealing with; scaling to 1080p and sending it out the component videos, it doesn't matter anyway. The scaler won't send protected content out component video at 720p or 1080i, much less 1080p. That has to go out the HDMI cable.

Plus I can think of very few sets that could use 1080p and not have an HDMI input.

Kevin D.

[Andrew M Ward]

Heh.. I got bit by this too. The PS3 can output games at 1080p over component and some tv's do accept 1080p through their components.

However in the case we're dealing with; scaling to 1080p and sending it out the component videos, it doesn't matter anyway. The scaler won't send protected content out component video at 720p or 1080i, much less 1080p. That has to go out the HDMI cable.

Plus I can think of very few sets that could use 1080p and not have an HDMI input.

Kevin D.

Some of the PS3 games look real...!!! 8O

[Dmantis]

One of the main additions of HDMI 1.1 (from HDMI 1.0) was the addition of wide bandwidth multi-channel audio (both LPCM and MLP). Every piece of gear I've had my hands on that is HDMI 1.1 will do DVD-Audio over HDMI. The RDV-1092 (I have hooked up an RDV-1092 to a receiver via HDMI and did listen to a DVD-A) and RDV-1093 will do DVD-Audio over HDMI so you could hook those players up to an RSX-1058 or RSP-1069 via HDMI and listen to DVD-A in all it's glory.

Eric

Huh,
I thought that 1.1 supported SACD. Then when they released 1.2 that supported DVD AUDIO. I can see why 1.3 isn't really nessary but next year when something new comes along and 1.3 is needed to do it, the Preamp is left behind. I know you can't avoid that but it would have been nice to just be current out of the box.

Dan

[Andrew M Ward]

Huh,
I thought that 1.1 supported SACD. Then when they released 1.2 that supported DVD AUDIO. I can see why 1.3 isn't really nessary but next year when something new comes along and 1.3 is needed to do it, the Preamp is left behind. I know you can't avoid that but it would have been nice to just be current out of the box.

Dan

Just thinking out loud here...
Who makes a good sounding Preamplifier that has HDMI scaling & Multi (4) Zone ready...
What is Rotel competing with I wonder..?

(Not trying to be cute, I'm really interested)

[Nolan B]

Just thinking out loud here...
Who makes a good sounding Preamplifier that has HDMI scaling & Multi (4) Zone ready...
What is Rotel competing with I wonder..?

(Not trying to be cute, I'm really interested)

I know of recievers but not aware of any preamps.

Onkyo
Denon
Panasonic
Pioneer

[maddog]

I think the HDMI 1.3 Integra DTC-9.8 pre/pro at $1,600 is in competition with the RSP 1069 at $2,200. Several HTG members have gone for it.

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=26925

Not sure how the sound compares though. That's the big question IMO.

[Dmantis]

I have been looking at the new NAD receiver.

http://nadelectronics.com/products/av-receivers/T785-A/V-Surround-Sound-Receiver

[Nolan B]

So does anyone know when the 1069 should be in stores? I told my dealer to order on as soon as they order their own for their store, but they didnt know when that would be.

[Kevin D]

They're shipping in the US now, I'm sure Canada is as well. I haven't seen an official announcement, so they may not know.

Kevin D.

[Nolan B]

They're shipping in the US now, I'm sure Canada is as well. I haven't seen an official announcement, so they may not know.

Kevin D.

thanks
so what does "shipping" mean? 1 week? 1 month?

[Ferres]

I saw one in a store in Singapore. So it's just a matter of getting them through to the other channels.

[hifiguymi]

Huh,
I thought that 1.1 supported SACD. Then when they released 1.2 that supported DVD AUDIO. I can see why 1.3 isn't really necessary but next year when something new comes along and 1.3 is needed to do it, the Preamp is left behind. I know you can't avoid that but it would have been nice to just be current out of the box.

Dan

DVD-A and SACD support is just the opposite. HDMI 1.1 added high bandwidth LPCM like what is used with DVD-A (and Blu-ray and HD-DVD) and HDMI 1.2 added high bandwidth multi-channel single bit digital like what is used with SACD.

In electronics there is always something around the corner (although I don't know what that would be right now). If someone always waited for the next best thing they would never buy anything. Rotel didn't just through HDMI into the RSP-1068 and call it good. The RSP-1069 has been in development for about a year and you can't keep changing the product every time there is a new part available. It that happened it would never come out. A company like Rotel, because of their size, is not very high on the totem pole for getting new silicone most of the time. Since they put a great effort in making a product sound good they focus on what they can get their hands on when development starts. If they appear to be a step behind look at any other separates companies and tell me who has a product that competes.

Eric

[hifiguymi]

So does anyone know when the 1069 should be in stores? I told my dealer to order on as soon as they order their own for their store, but they didnt know when that would be.

I received my launch letter on Saturday that the RSP-1069 is shipping. Stores in the US will be getting them this week. I'm not sure about Canada.

Eric

[Blindamood]

Just thinking out loud here...
Who makes a good sounding Preamplifier that has HDMI scaling & Multi (4) Zone ready...
What is Rotel competing with I wonder..?

(Not trying to be cute, I'm really interested)

The Adcom GTP-870HD has been out for a while now. I would say that it's main limitation is only 2 HDMI inputs. But it does scale to 1080P and handles two zones.

Coming soon is the new B&K Reference 70, which handles 6 HDMI inputs...

[Stevebez]

Um...
Can't do 1080P over component (nobody can) that' I've seen...

One of the main reasons I want to get this unit is it negates me having to get a scaler ... most decent HD scalers that output to 1080p do it over HDMI and component. But I get your point that HDMI is best bet when you are applying 1080p HDCP.

Will the 1069 scale and output a DVD 480p / standard def feed to 720p over component?

If not I had better cancel my order.... :cry:

Just a question re zones .... how many of you actually use Zone2 let alone need 2 more?

Re HDMI 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 ... thing is this format has taken so long to evolve I think Rotel waited as long as they dared and went with the 1.1... it is a pity none the less. Going with 1.1 rather than 1.2 is a marginal difference so that does not bother me...

However 1.3a/b would certainly have sold them more units though - even if it was not really necesary currently... The point being they could later come up with software updates to then allow DDTrue HD etc if it actually takes off.....without having to lay out now for the Dolby / DTS licences.

Can the 1.1 HDMI be upgraded to 1.3x simply through software - i.e. can the video DAC's cope with the higher bandwidth - or is a 1.3 design at a different level all together from a hardware / design viewpoint?

It seems there may be an opportunity for this as the Video DAC seems pretty robust.

Lets hope.

[hifiguymi]

Will the 1069 scale and output a DVD 480p / standard def feed to 720p over component?

If not I had better cancel my order.... :cry:

The scaler only works on the HDMI output.

Just a question re zones .... how many of you actually use Zone2 let alone need 2 more?

It doesn't happen all of the time. On the installs we've done here I'd say it happens 30% of the time.

Can the 1.1 HDMI be upgraded to 1.3x simply through software - i.e. can the video DAC's cope with the higher bandwidth - or is a 1.3 design at a different level all together from a hardware / design viewpoint?

To upgrade from one HDMI version to another requires hardware changes. The only way to upgrade a product to HDMI 1.3 from HDMI1.x would be (at minimum) to change the HDMI connectors, the digital input receivers, and, I'm sure, software.

Eric

[Kevin D]

Will the 1069 scale and output a DVD 480p / standard def feed to 720p over component?

If not I had better cancel my order....

The scaler only works on the HDMI output.

Eric

Actually it will scale up to 1080i over the component video outputs as long as it isn't protected material. Right now that's limited to certain DVD's. This behaviour applies to ANY legal scaler. The RVE-1060 behaves the same way. So far I've had about 4-5 DVD's where my 1060 defaulted to 480p.

Kevin D.

[Stevebez]

so 1080i yes , but 720p no, over component ...?

Sure for HDCP ill need HDMI ... thats no problem.

[Kevin D]

Up to 1080i, 720p & 480p included..

It's actually not just HDCP you have to worry about. There's a certain macrovision flag that will shut scalers down as well. Certain discs, 480i/p out of a normal DVD player component, will not be able to be scaled to 720p/1080i component from the 1069 (or any legal scaler).

Kevin D.

[Pez]

I actually use my zone 2 a lot and could use at least one more (currently have a 1068). If I end up getting the 1069 the multi-zone capability will be one of the main reasons why.

[hery]

Check out the NAD T-175, which should give the Rotel 1069 some serious competition :T What do you guys think? It is posted on NAD's website, I just don't know how to post a link to it or copy pictures hopefully somebody can do it!

NAD T 175 A/V Tuner Preamplifier Features
Holmgren™ Toroidal power supply with separate analog, digital, and control regulation
Modular construction for simple upgrade and service
Audyssey Auto Setup and Calibration of all speaker settings using supplied microphone
Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with custom NAD developed target response curves
Data Port for use with optional NAD IPD 1 Dock for iPod®
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic II, ProLogic IIx, DTS, DTS ES, DTS 24/96, DTS NEO:6, EARS and Stereo Enhanced Surround Modes
5 A/V Custom Presets store unique listening modes, DSP options, tone, speaker and display settings
Direct speaker level adjustment for surround, center and sub
Burr-Brown 24 bit 96kHz A/D converter
Burr-Brown 24 bit 192kHz Stereo D/A converters (x5)
Texas Instruments Aureus™ 7.1 high speed DSP (32 bit dual core floating point design)
4 v1.3 1080p HDMI Digital Audio/Video Inputs
HDMI 1080p bandwidth with full On-Screen Display (OSD)
Cross Conversion of all analog video formats
Analog video to HDMI Conversion
7 Analog Stereo Audio Inputs (1 front panel)
Media Player MP front panel input
6 Analog Video Inputs, all S-Video and Composite (1 front panel), 3 Component Video
7 Digital Audio Inputs, 3 Coax and 4 Optical (1 front panel)
3 Analog Stereo Audio Outputs, 2 assignable as Tape Out, or as Zone 3 and Zone 4 Outputs with independent source and volume control
4 Video Monitor Outputs, HDMI, Component, S-Video and Composite formats
3 Analog Video Outputs, 2 Tape (Composite and S-Video) and 1 Zone (Composite)
2 Digital Outputs, 1 Coaxial, 1 TOSLINK
7.1 Analog Input (for DVD Audio/SACD/ETC.)
Zone 2 A/V Line Level Output with independent source and volume selection
Digital Inputs available as 2 channel analog mixdown on Zone 2 Output
ZR-4 Second Zone Remote included with discrete codes for independent zone
3 x IR Outputs, 1 x IR Input
RS-232 port interface for advanced control systems
3 x 12V Output Triggers, 1 x 12V input
Preamp Outputs for all 7.2 channels (2 Subwoofers)
RDS FM/AM Tuner with 30 direct access presets
XM Ready – XM subscription and optional XM module required
DAB Ready – just add optional NAD DB1 DAB module
HTRC-1 Illuminated Learning Remote Control with LCD display

[Dmantis]

Check out the NAD T-175, which should give the Rotel 1069 some serious competition :T What do you guys think? It is posted on NAD's website, I just don't know how to post a link to it or copy pictures hopefully somebody can do it!

NAD T 175 A/V Tuner Preamplifier Features
Holmgren™ Toroidal power supply with separate analog, digital, and control regulation
Modular construction for simple upgrade and service
Audyssey Auto Setup and Calibration of all speaker settings using supplied microphone
Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with custom NAD developed target response curves
Data Port for use with optional NAD IPD 1 Dock for iPod®
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic II, ProLogic IIx, DTS, DTS ES, DTS 24/96, DTS NEO:6, EARS and Stereo Enhanced Surround Modes
5 A/V Custom Presets store unique listening modes, DSP options, tone, speaker and display settings
Direct speaker level adjustment for surround, center and sub
Burr-Brown 24 bit 96kHz A/D converter
Burr-Brown 24 bit 192kHz Stereo D/A converters (x5)
Texas Instruments Aureus™ 7.1 high speed DSP (32 bit dual core floating point design)
4 v1.3 1080p HDMI Digital Audio/Video Inputs
HDMI 1080p bandwidth with full On-Screen Display (OSD)
Cross Conversion of all analog video formats
Analog video to HDMI Conversion
7 Analog Stereo Audio Inputs (1 front panel)
Media Player MP front panel input
6 Analog Video Inputs, all S-Video and Composite (1 front panel), 3 Component Video
7 Digital Audio Inputs, 3 Coax and 4 Optical (1 front panel)
3 Analog Stereo Audio Outputs, 2 assignable as Tape Out, or as Zone 3 and Zone 4 Outputs with independent source and volume control
4 Video Monitor Outputs, HDMI, Component, S-Video and Composite formats
3 Analog Video Outputs, 2 Tape (Composite and S-Video) and 1 Zone (Composite)
2 Digital Outputs, 1 Coaxial, 1 TOSLINK
7.1 Analog Input (for DVD Audio/SACD/ETC.)
Zone 2 A/V Line Level Output with independent source and volume selection
Digital Inputs available as 2 channel analog mixdown on Zone 2 Output
ZR-4 Second Zone Remote included with discrete codes for independent zone
3 x IR Outputs, 1 x IR Input
RS-232 port interface for advanced control systems
3 x 12V Output Triggers, 1 x 12V input
Preamp Outputs for all 7.2 channels (2 Subwoofers)
RDS FM/AM Tuner with 30 direct access presets
XM Ready – XM subscription and optional XM module required
DAB Ready – just add optional NAD DB1 DAB module
HTRC-1 Illuminated Learning Remote Control with LCD display

I have been eyeing this up myself. It looks great. NAD is nice gear and on par with Rotel. They kinda have the same goals, great sound quality and not alot of bells and whistles. They also have a preamp and a master series line. Nice stuff.

[Stevebez]

Up to 1080i, 720p & 480p included..

It's actually not just HDCP you have to worry about. There's a certain macrovision flag that will shut scalers down as well. Certain discs, 480i/p out of a normal DVD player component, will not be able to be scaled to 720p/1080i component from the 1069 (or any legal scaler).

Kevin D.

Thanks Kev,

I am not that worried about disc sources (for now) as its more for Satelite broadcasts that I will use the scaler.

But How is it that after we paid for our own DVD's we are told we cannot process them as we wish - who decided for us that we were not allowed to do this? No wonder HDMI has been so long in the making... I say someone should come out with a rival system thats free and built up thorugh collaboration sort of like Linux ... These corporations are getting waaay to intrusive into what I can and cannot do with stuff I have legally purchased ages ago.

When I go to DVDHD / BR (actually I may choose not to at all now) then I will need to up the projector spec to a full 1080p50/60 unit and then wire in a DVI / HDMI cable.

But frankly if any other format came out I would gladly support it over all this cr*p... what has scaling a regular (old) 480p DVD got to do with copy protection?

I dont think it will be long when some players will come out that will turn off HDCP / macrovision flags and we will be free to do what we want... and I am not talking about infringing copy rights - just applying new technology WE have paid for as WE would like.

[Rotelrob]

I spoke to s rep at Harvey Electronics and they said they would have a new Nad reciever in a couple of weeks, will seriuosly take a look at it, I have Rotel stuff and love their amps but they seem to be a bit behind in the technology part of HT.

Rob

[Dmantis]

I spoke to s rep at Harvey Electronics and they said they would have a new Nad reciever in a couple of weeks, will seriuosly take a look at it, I have Rotel stuff and love their amps but they seem to be a bit behind in the technology part of HT.

Rob

I'm around Harveys alot as I work all over NJ. Could you post it when they get it?? I also have a guy over near me in Pa who carries NAD. I'm eager to check it out along if and when they will release a preamp version. But if the receiver is as killer as they say, it might be good enough to use the internal amps. Most higher end receivers like B&K , NAD and Rotel have powerful amps in there receivers. They are build more like a preamp and amp inside one box. I know for a fact B&K is exactly that way.

[dave shepard]

NAD recievers have taken a huge jump in price also. I have heard the new line and they do sound nice they were running a pair of Monitor silver series floorstanders.

Dave

[Nolan B]

i just ordered my 1069 and I should have it in 10 days or less

[Nolan B]

Something interesting I noticed on the Rotel site when comparing the specs of the 1068 and 1069. The 1069 wieghs 1.4 kg more (apx 3.5 lbs) then the 1068, and the 1068 uses 40 watts of power while the 1069 uses twice as much at 80 watts.

[gwarner]

RSP 1069 vs RXS 1058

Why would you not just use the 1058 as a pre/pro and save $300? Could you redirect the amps in the 1058 to the secondary zones?

[garak]

i just ordered my 1069 and I should have it in 10 days or less

I ordered mine a week ago...Hopefully that means it's almost here.

[Ferres]

Something interesting I noticed on the Rotel site when comparing the specs of the 1068 and 1069. The 1069 wieghs 1.4 kg more (apx 3.5 lbs) then the 1068, and the 1068 uses 40 watts of power while the 1069 uses twice as much at 80 watts.

That surprised me too. That could mean more heat.

[Nolan B]

That surprised me too. That could mean more heat.

generally yes...more power being used often leads to more heat. I wonder why it needs 2x the power?

[Andrew M Ward]

generally yes...more power being used often leads to more heat. I wonder why it needs 2x the power?

Scalers use electricity maybe..?


(pardon the sarcasm) :rofl:

[Ferres]

Scalers use electricity maybe..?


(pardon the sarcasm) :rofl:

:B 3.5 lbs of power hungry chips. :lol:

[Nolan B]

:B 3.5 lbs of power hungry chips. :lol:

well thankfully I wont need/use the scalers

[hifiguymi]

Why would you not just use the 1058 as a pre/pro and save $300? Could you redirect the amps in the 1058 to the secondary zones?

The RSP-1069 is designed as a preamp from the ground up. The power supply is designed just for the preamp and it doesn't have to share with five power amps. Even if there are no speakers connected, the amps are still powered up in a receiver.

Eric