Rsp-1069

[TommyV]

Good news, thanks Kevin.

[TommyV]

Just a heads up to those interested in the 1069, but are waiting until an answer comes regarding the video issues. I have been in touch with Rotel a few times, and have been told a fix is coming. I dont really know to much at this point other then it will be within the next couple of weeks and i will have a chance to run all the video tests, and confirm the fix actually adresses all the issues.

Just to confirm, could you make a list of all issues that need to be corrected? I am aware of the video processor messing with the black level on < 1080p signals. What else is there?

[apodaca]

Someone on the 1058 thread posted that along with crushing blacks there was also a flickering of the video signal and I believe this was confirmed by Rotel tech support. Does the 1069 have the same issues or just the black crush?

[TommyV]

apodaca, which 1058 thread? The only owner's thread I know of is nash's Picked up my 1058 today thread. In fact he is the only owner I have seen on this forum. I believe one other one popped up on AVS but disappeared.

[Kevin D]

When set to 1080i, the picture becomes unstable for about 10 seconds every 30 seconds. This is most easily seen when looking at text information. The picture seems to 'ring' a bit, you can watch the text move around and become slightly blurry.

In addition, with the current software I can't recommend the 1058 or 1069 for someone who doesn't have an HDMI display. There's no setting to tell it whether you are using component or HDMI. So when presented with a protected video source with the unit set to 720p or 1080i, you get a black screen rather then it temporarily defaulting to 480p.

IE, 10% of DVD's out there have macrovision that won't let you scale it. So having it set to 1080i component will let you watch 9 out of 10 of your DVDs. When you hit a macrovision protected one, you get a black screen. You have to go in the menu and change the output to 480p. If you forget to change it back when you're done, it will downscale your HD sources to 480p.

Plus, you can only select HDMI as your audio source after you select HDMI as your video source. Since it won't convert any HD HDMI signal to HD component signal, you're screwed. You have two choices when using a BR/HD player: Run component direct to the TV and HDMI to the Rotel or run just HDMI to the Rotel and have it down-convert the HD signal to 480p so it will go out the component outputs.

So the main things that should be fixed soon:

1) Scaler problems with 1080i

2) Be able to bypass the scaler (you can see from the first problem that everything passes through the scaler whether it needs to or not, 1080i in to 1080i out has crushed blacks and a ringing picture.) In addition, some sources look better NOT scaled.

3) Flag to set video output priority (HDMI/COMPONENT)

4) Allow you to select HDMI for an audio input without having to select it for the video.


I'm as Pro-Rotel as they get, but I honestly think they wanted to make sure they got the latest/greatest 1080p-HDMI working right and some issues with older technology slipped through the cracks.

Kevin D.

[Pez]

When set to 1080i, the picture becomes unstable for about 10 seconds every 30 seconds. This is most easily seen when looking at text information. The picture seems to 'ring' a bit, you can watch the text move around and become slightly blurry.

In addition, with the current software I can't recommend the 1058 or 1069 for someone who doesn't have an HDMI display. There's no setting to tell it whether you are using component or HDMI. So when presented with a protected video source with the unit set to 720p or 1080i, you get a black screen rather then it temporarily defaulting to 480p.

IE, 10% of DVD's out there have macrovision that won't let you scale it. So having it set to 1080i component will let you watch 9 out of 10 of your DVDs. When you hit a macrovision protected one, you get a black screen. You have to go in the menu and change the output to 480p. If you forget to change it back when you're done, it will downscale your HD sources to 480p.

Plus, you can only select HDMI as your audio source after you select HDMI as your video source. Since it won't convert any HD HDMI signal to HD component signal, you're screwed. You have two choices when using a BR/HD player: Run component direct to the TV and HDMI to the Rotel or run just HDMI to the Rotel and have it down-convert the HD signal to 480p so it will go out the component outputs.

So the main things that should be fixed soon:

1) Scaler problems with 1080i

2) Be able to bypass the scaler (you can see from the first problem that everything passes through the scaler whether it needs to or not, 1080i in to 1080i out has crushed blacks and a ringing picture.) In addition, some sources look better NOT scaled.

3) Flag to set video output priority (HDMI/COMPONENT)

4) Allow you to select HDMI for an audio input without having to select it for the video.


I'm as Pro-Rotel as they get, but I honestly think they wanted to make sure they got the latest/greatest 1080p-HDMI working right and some issues with older technology slipped through the cracks.

Kevin D.

Are all four of the issues listed above able to be fixed with a firmware update?

[Kevin D]

Are all four of the issues listed above able to be fixed with a firmware update?

Quite possibly. Most of them are logic problems in the software. We'll know more soon as the fixes are just now coming in from the factory.

Kevin D.

[Dmantis]

When set to 1080i, the picture becomes unstable for about 10 seconds every 30 seconds. This is most easily seen when looking at text information. The picture seems to 'ring' a bit, you can watch the text move around and become slightly blurry.

In addition, with the current software I can't recommend the 1058 or 1069 for someone who doesn't have an HDMI display. There's no setting to tell it whether you are using component or HDMI. So when presented with a protected video source with the unit set to 720p or 1080i, you get a black screen rather then it temporarily defaulting to 480p.

IE, 10% of DVD's out there have macrovision that won't let you scale it. So having it set to 1080i component will let you watch 9 out of 10 of your DVDs. When you hit a macrovision protected one, you get a black screen. You have to go in the menu and change the output to 480p. If you forget to change it back when you're done, it will downscale your HD sources to 480p.

Plus, you can only select HDMI as your audio source after you select HDMI as your video source. Since it won't convert any HD HDMI signal to HD component signal, you're screwed. You have two choices when using a BR/HD player: Run component direct to the TV and HDMI to the Rotel or run just HDMI to the Rotel and have it down-convert the HD signal to 480p so it will go out the component outputs.

So the main things that should be fixed soon:

1) Scaler problems with 1080i

2) Be able to bypass the scaler (you can see from the first problem that everything passes through the scaler whether it needs to or not, 1080i in to 1080i out has crushed blacks and a ringing picture.) In addition, some sources look better NOT scaled.

3) Flag to set video output priority (HDMI/COMPONENT)

4) Allow you to select HDMI for an audio input without having to select it for the video.


I'm as Pro-Rotel as they get, but I honestly think they wanted to make sure they got the latest/greatest 1080p-HDMI working right and some issues with older technology slipped through the cracks.

Kevin D.

This thead is so upsetting. Rotel should not have released the preamp if it wasn't ready. The entire reason to run HDMI is to have everything pass over it. One connection and your done.

All current japanese receivers have no issues with any of this. They are all 1.3a. Hd and Blue Ray are what people are wanting. Blue ray right now is selling like mad since Sony lowered there price on the 300 player. We sell 4 to 6 of them per day out of one store. It's madness.

Bottom line is this. You got cable or dss running 1080i over hdmi and that may change next year when they turn off analog, you got HD and Blue running at 1080p or i depending on your display, you also have dvd running at 1080i or p. Thats all you have to deal with. Upconverting composite, S and component has been done for years. Nothing new or hard there. Hick ups happen with S on vcrs and thats been a problem that never got sovled. But more and more people are shying away from there vcrs and hell if need be back up and run it compostie and everything is fine.

When HDMI switching first came out, these problems where there. Rotel is 2 years behind and it's a shame. I also love Rotel and want nothing more to buy the 1069 but I'm basically finished with it. I'm getting a Pioneer Elite 94 receiver and using it as a preamp unitl Rotel comes out with a current preamp. There is no reason to sit on here and talk about all the video problems with a brand new preamp. Life is to short and I feel bad for all you early adapter. Hopefully Rotels fixes and near future preamps/receivers are up to date and give no one any of these problems.

good luck everyone, I hope it works out for you.

Dan

[TommyV]

This thead is so upsetting. Rotel should not have released the preamp if it wasn't ready. The entire reason to run HDMI is to have everything pass over it. One connection and your done.

All current japanese receivers have no issues with any of this. They are all 1.3a. Hd and Blue Ray are what people are wanting. Blue ray right now is selling like mad since Sony lowered there price on the 300 player. We sell 4 to 6 of them per day out of one store. It's madness.

Bottom line is this. You got cable or dss running 1080i over hdmi and that may change next year when they turn off analog, you got HD and Blue running at 1080p or i depending on your display, you also have dvd running at 1080i or p. Thats all you have to deal with. Upconverting composite, S and component has been done for years. Nothing new or hard there. Hick ups happen with S on vcrs and thats been a problem that never got sovled. But more and more people are shying away from there vcrs and hell if need be back up and run it compostie and everything is fine.

When HDMI switching first came out, these problems where there. Rotel is 2 years behind and it's a shame. I also love Rotel and want nothing more to buy the 1069 but I'm basically finished with it. I'm getting a Pioneer Elite 94 receiver and using it as a preamp unitl Rotel comes out with a current preamp. There is no reason to sit on here and talk about all the video problems with a brand new preamp. Life is to short and I feel bad for all you early adapter. Hopefully Rotels fixes and near future preamps/receivers are up to date and give no one any of these problems.

good luck everyone, I hope it works out for you.

Dan

The is not only with Rotel. The real problem is putting video processors in pre/pros and AVRs. This almost always creates some kind of video issues big or small. If HDMI video was treated as pass through only we would not have to worry about any of this. I would not mind just hooking up component or composite for the OSD.

Pioneer Elite does make one model AVR that has no video processor in it; msrp $999. If you plan on going that route, I would consider it. Good luck.

[Dmantis]

The is not only with Rotel. The real problem is putting video processors in pre/pros and AVRs. This almost always creates some kind of video issues big or small. If HDMI video was treated as pass through only we would not have to worry about any of this. I would not mind just hooking up component or composite for the OSD.

Pioneer Elite does make one model AVR that has no video processor in it; msrp $999. If you plan on going that route, I would consider it. Good luck.

I'm an audio and video installer and Install all kinds of receivers and preamps. None of the current models have any of the problems listed here with the new Rotel preamp. This is a shame as I think there preamps for the money sound better then most. Pioneer Elite receivers have no video issues. I install them almost everyday. I have also used a few with power amps to drive difficult load speakers and it sounded fantastic.The receivers power amp section doesn't do well holding a 4ohm load at high volumes.It loses all dynamic range and sounds flat. They are 1.3a and have all the current features anyone could want.

It's not by choice, I would really like a new preamp and I own all rotel gear. I don't however want to deal with any of these issues. I went through them with DVI and early HDMI. We are past them and I don't want to relive the past.

Shame but true,

Dan

[ICEMAN70]

All current japanese receivers have no issues with any of this. They are all 1.3a. Hd and Blue Ray are what people are wanting. Blue ray right now is selling like mad since Sony lowered there price on the 300 player. We sell 4 to 6 of them per day out of one store. It's madness.


Dan

I thought the sony s300 was only 1.1 The sony s500 is 1.3. or are both these players support 1.3?

[apodaca]

Kevin,

OK so it has problems with 1080i.

What about those who have displays that are 1080p and sources that are 1080p ? Will the Rotel pass through the signal without ringing ?

And what about 720p will it also ocurr for 720p output?

Also, a question regarding the scaler in the 1058, 1069 and RVE-1060 unit. Can the scaler do 1080i input and 720p output ? Some 720p and 768p HDTVs do a bob conversion throwing out over half the resolution so the scaler in the Rotel could be useful for that situation..

[hifiguymi]

I thought the sony s300 was only 1.1 The sony s500 is 1.3. or are both these players support 1.3?

The Sony BDP-S300 is 1.1 for all intents and purposes. The BDP-S500 and the BDP-S2000ES are the Sony units that will output Dolby TrueHD and dtsHD Master Audio.

Eric

[Nolan B]

Kevin,

OK so it has problems with 1080i.

What about those who have displays that are 1080p and sources that are 1080p ? Will the Rotel pass through the signal without ringing ?

And what about 720p will it also ocurr for 720p output?

Also, a question regarding the scaler in the 1058, 1069 and RVE-1060 unit. Can the scaler do 1080i input and 720p output ? Some 720p and 768p HDTVs do a bob conversion throwing out over half the resolution so the scaler in the Rotel could be useful for that situation..

my tests show it happens with 720p and 1080i. I can not confirm if the issues happen with 1080p sources using HDMI.

[garak]

OK so it has problems with 1080i.

What about those who have displays that are 1080p and sources that are 1080p ? Will the Rotel pass through the signal without ringing ?

I can report that for a 1080p source to a 1080p display, the picture is stable.

However, for a 1080i source to a 1080p display, there is a slight vertical judder in the picture. It is minor and only noticeable when you're looking at something that is completely static, such as an on-screen guide.

In all cases, no matter what the source, the picture was brighter when sent through the 1069. I'm not sure if this is related to the clipping of the blacks as noted above.

[tboo72]

I'm an audio and video installer and Install all kinds of receivers and preamps. None of the current models have any of the problems listed here with the new Rotel preamp. This is a shame as I think there preamps for the money sound better then most. Pioneer Elite receivers have no video issues. I install them almost everyday. I have also used a few with power amps to drive difficult load speakers and it sounded fantastic.The receivers power amp section doesn't do well holding a 4ohm load at high volumes.It loses all dynamic range and sounds flat. They are 1.3a and have all the current features anyone could want.

It's not by choice, I would really like a new preamp and I own all rotel gear. I don't however want to deal with any of these issues. I went through them with DVI and early HDMI. We are past them and I don't want to relive the past.

Shame but true,

Dan

The new Onkyos models 875 & up have video issues with HDMI

[Kevin D]

Everyone has to keep in mind the fact that Rotel is committed to fixing all issues that come up. Some companies all ready move on to the next model and leave it to you to deal or change to something else.

Kevin D.

[Nolan B]

Everyone has to keep in mind the fact that Rotel is committed to fixing all issues that come up. Some companies all ready move on to the next model and leave it to you to deal or change to something else.

Kevin D.

i agree. every company has issues, but its how the deal with those issues that sets them appart. I have been frustated with the Rotel issues but now I see progress.

When the 1069 gets up an running properly it will be a great product IMO. My audio issues have been solved with proper calibration and brake in, and when the video issues gets solved I think this unit will be great for some time.

HDMI 1.1 is all I need, and really all most people need wether they want to admit that or not.

[Pookie007]

If I am reading this correctly, this problem only exists with the HDMI connection. Since I only have to hook the unit up one time, I don't see the big problem with connecting 3 video cables and an audio cable in lieu of a single HDMI cable until Rotel works out the kinks. If I had to connect and disconnect the unit all the time, I see the benefit of the single cable. I'm not 1080p on the display and I don't know anyone that is taking advantage of the 1.3 audio benefits. If everything else works well I think this ia a minor glitch in the product release. No company can afford to wait until a product is perfect for the initial release. They have to generate some revenue to keep the lights on.

[Nolan B]

If I am reading this correctly, this problem only exists with the HDMI connection. Since I only have to hook the unit up one time, I don't see the big problem with connecting 3 video cables and an audio cable in lieu of a single HDMI cable until Rotel works out the kinks. If I had to connect and disconnect the unit all the time, I see the benefit of the single cable. I'm not 1080p on the display and I don't know anyone that is taking advantage of the 1.3 audio benefits. If everything else works well I think this ia a minor glitch in the product release. No company can afford to wait until a product is perfect for the initial release. They have to generate some revenue to keep the lights on.

You dont need HDMI 1.3 to listen to high rez audio. You only need HDMI 1.1 which the rotel has.

[HiRez]

Greetings,

Does the 1069 do 2 channel 24bit/192Khz high resolution audio,such as SACD, over its HDMI ?
Thanks

[HiRez]

One more question:
Is it possible to bypass its video proceesing and send the video unaltered while processing audio over HDMI?

[Nolan B]

One more question:
Is it possible to bypass its video proceesing and send the video unaltered while processing audio over HDMI?

This is a fix rotel is working on. We should have something within the next week.

[Nolan B]

Greetings,

Does the 1069 do 2 channel 24bit/192Khz high resolution audio,such as SACD, over its HDMI ?
Thanks

It wont decode SACD, but if you get a player which can decode it then send it as PCM over analog or HDMI then yes.

[dbaer]

I am in the process of buying the following setup and hope I'm not making a big mistake with all the issues concerning 1080.x/720p and all the HD-DVD/Bluray issues.

TV - Pioneer Kuro 5010fd 1080p
Rotel RSP-1069
Rotel 1075
Rotel 1050 (for 4 other speakers in Kitchen/Living Room)
Pioneer 95FD - $799 at BB on sale? Potentially if you guys recommend?
Comcast HD-DVR box
XBox 360

I guess the issue is...is it all going to work? I am a big stickler for the ability to play the new formats and process the video. Will the Rotel just pass the deep color video over the hdmi 1.1 to my 1.3 TV and play the audio provided the player decodes and sends the signal out LPCM over hdmi 1.3 to the rotel 1.1? In the future would Rotel be willing to do an upgrade to the hdmi and replace it with 1.3x and fix all the software issues concerning the scaling from different source content w/o changing the settings everytime you put a different dvd/bluray disc or watch programming from Comcast whether it be digital or HD?

I realize this is just an echo, but was hoping someone might have some answers from Rotel? I put an inquiry in to them but no luck yet on a response.

Thanks.

[Kevin D]

In 1080p mode the Rotel should pass all video information through the HDMI ports. You do realize that deep color is just more marketing hype right now for HDMI 1.3 and isn't supported on any current format? Blu-ray or HD-DVD will never have support for it unless they come out with 'special' discs that won't be compatible with older and non-upgradeable players.

1.3 also isn't needed to send the decoded signal PCM to the Rotel, 1.1 handles that fine. I highly doubt Rotel will change out the boards to 1.3 at a later time. You wouldn't gain any advantage without changing out the entire DSP and decoder circuits as well. Right now if you are using the HDMI output, you don't have to change settings for different sources. That's just for using the component outputs.

I haven't read up on the Pioneer player, but a lot of people are looking at and waiting for the new Samsung dual-format player that goes for the same amount.

Kevin D.

[ILuvDefTech]

Any news on the firmware update? I'm anxiously waiting for the bypass mode as my HTPC doesn't work through the HDMI inputs of the 1069. I'm hoping bypass will fix it.

[Kevin D]

Soon. Final testing is being done right now.

Kevin D.

[slowrey]

Everyone has to keep in mind the fact that Rotel is committed to fixing all issues that come up. Some companies all ready move on to the next model and leave it to you to deal or change to something else.

Kevin D.

Unfortunately when I purchased my receiver I was told that Rotel would be putting out a robust HDMI switcher that was going to integrate nicely and would be up to date. Unfortunately I don't feel that Rotel really is that committed. I love Rotel but I'm not against switching.

[Nolan B]

Update

As many of you have been reading the RSP 1069 has had some bugs that needed to be worked out. Most of the issues were caused by the scale and the issues ranged from black levels being cut, unstable picture going blury every 10 seconds, the scaler cause source to think they are hooked up to a computer. The list went on.

After some time and back and forth with Rotel a fix has come and I have had a chance to test it. Basically a new board was added to the 1069 which put an uption in the HDMI settings on the OSD. The new option is "Scaler Bypass: Yes or No". When choosing yes the video signal seems to totally bypass the scaler and as a result I experience none of the issues I had before. woohoo!

I did confirm with using the Digital Video Essentials HD DVD that video now passes all of the test paterns.

I sent an email to Rotel confirming all the tests and findings with a few more questions and expect to hear back form them in the new year.

[garak]

Basically a new board was added to the 1069 which put an uption in the HDMI settings on the OSD.

Was this a firmware update, or when you say a "new board" do you mean a new piece of hardware was added?

If it's a new piece of hardware, did you have to open up the unit and install it or did they send you a new unit?

[Nolan B]

Was this a firmware update, or when you say a "new board" do you mean a new piece of hardware was added?

If it's a new piece of hardware, did you have to open up the unit and install it or did they send you a new unit?

Its hardware, and its not something you can do yourself. You will likely have to send your 1069 in to get it done if you have it already, or if you are buying one for the first time get yoru dealer to order one in with the board. I have asked a few questions around the "how to's" because I know a lot of you would want to know. When he returns to the office ill let you know what he says and post it.

[Kevin D]

Nolan, let me know when you clear out some PM's so I can send you one..

Kevin D.

[Nolan B]

Nolan, let me know when you clear out some PM's so I can send you one..

Kevin D.

Done :T

[mikeB]

Vancouver,

Do you know if Rotel is preparing a similar fix for the RSX-1058? I have a 1058 and definitely observed some video issues. I think one of the earlier posts indicated that Rotel was aware of the issues in both units, and hopefully there are preparing a fix for both.

Thanks for keeping us all up to date on this.

mikeB

[ILuvDefTech]

This new board "fixes" the scaler by bypassing it, but what about actually fixing the scaler? I would like to run some of my equipment through it, and only bypass the htpc. Will that even be an option? Is the scaler either on or off for all video inputs?

[Dmantis]

This is intresting. how long did it take for them to upgrade your preamp?? When my 1068 went down, it was a week and it was already back . They are very fast.

[Kevin D]

This new board "fixes" the scaler by bypassing it, but what about actually fixing the scaler? I would like to run some of my equipment through it, and only bypass the htpc. Will that even be an option? Is the scaler either on or off for all video inputs?

We're getting conflicting reports on whether the fix is bypassing, or if the fix is included with the option now to bypass. Nolan needs to check a few things. Everything isn't finalised yet, several units are being tested out with the new boards. Last word I got was the bypass option is just for the HDMI inputs and it's all of them or none of them.

Kevin D.

[esaleris]

This new board "fixes" the scaler by bypassing it, but what about actually fixing the scaler? I would like to run some of my equipment through it, and only bypass the htpc. Will that even be an option? Is the scaler either on or off for all video inputs?

I thought that the RSP-1069 would not upscale any input signals that matched the output resolution. For example, that if you were outputting in 1080p, any 1080p signals going in would be left alone and passed through as 1080p... and that if you set your HTPC resolution to your output resolution, you would have no problems... Incorrect?

[ILuvDefTech]

The Rotel only seems to recognize the htpc when media center is active, and that's only when I'm lucky. I don't see it boot up, I don't see the desktop at all, and only MCE on occasion. I'm hoping a true passthrough will fix this. For now I'm sending the video straight to the tv.

[jdc115]

Hi, I was pointed to this forum from AVS where I have been monitoring the threads on the NAD T175.

I am a current owner of the RSP 1068 and looking to upgrade it for HDMI and been looking at both the 1069 as well as the NAD.

To be honest, I made up my mind not to go with the Rotel just due fact that I could never get a response from customer support and marketing to any question that I sent them. I had 2 questions:

Does it support multi-channel PCM over HDMI (I now know the answer is Yes, but never did Rotel respond to me)

Can I play SACD's from a PS3 over HDMI, my understanding is the the PS3 converts SACD to PCM so I believe it should work over HDMI1.1. Having just read through this entire thread, I noticed this was an issue for somebody but the resolution was never mentioned. Is anybody able to play SACD's over HDMI to the 1069?

I am still on the fence which way to go, the T175 is not released where I live yet (Singapore) but the 1069 is here. But I am not happy with my dealer as he is not willing to work on a trade in for my 1068 to the 1069 even though it came out maybe 1 month after he sold me the 1068. For that reason, I am now looking to sell 1068 myself but not sure I will stay with the Rotel then as I do not want to give the only local dealer my business unless he finds me the customer that is willing to buy it from me.

[Nolan B]

Hi, I was pointed to this forum from AVS where I have been monitoring the threads on the NAD T175.

I am a current owner of the RSP 1068 and looking to upgrade it for HDMI and been looking at both the 1069 as well as the NAD.

To be honest, I made up my mind not to go with the Rotel just due fact that I could never get a response from customer support and marketing to any question that I sent them. I had 2 questions:

Does it support multi-channel PCM over HDMI (I now know the answer is Yes, but never did Rotel respond to me)

Can I play SACD's from a PS3 over HDMI, my understanding is the the PS3 converts SACD to PCM so I believe it should work over HDMI1.1. Having just read through this entire thread, I noticed this was an issue for somebody but the resolution was never mentioned. Is anybody able to play SACD's over HDMI to the 1069?

I am still on the fence which way to go, the T175 is not released where I live yet (Singapore) but the 1069 is here. But I am not happy with my dealer as he is not willing to work on a trade in for my 1068 to the 1069 even though it came out maybe 1 month after he sold me the 1068. For that reason, I am now looking to sell 1068 myself but not sure I will stay with the Rotel then as I do not want to give the only local dealer my business unless he finds me the customer that is willing to buy it from me.

I was the guy who said he had problems with SACD over HDMI, it should work and according to my contact at Rotel he has tested it and go it to work. I am still trying to fool around with my PS3 to try and find out what I need to do.

BTW...your dealer is being an @ss by not letting you trade your 1068 in. He should have at least gave you a good deal knowing the 1069 was just around the corner.

[Dmantis]

I was the guy who said he had problems with SACD over HDMI, it should work and according to my contact at Rotel he has tested it and go it to work. I am still trying to fool around with my PS3 to try and find out what I need to do.

BTW...your dealer is being an @ss by not letting you trade your 1068 in. He should have at least gave you a good deal knowing the 1069 was just around the corner.

Let us know if you get SACD to work over HDMI with the PS3. That would rule. I only have a few DVD AUDIO disc's anyway and I could keep my Pioneer ELite around for that duty.

Thanks as I'm hanging on by a thread

[jdc115]

I was the guy who said he had problems with SACD over HDMI, it should work and according to my contact at Rotel he has tested it and go it to work. I am still trying to fool around with my PS3 to try and find out what I need to do.

BTW...your dealer is being an @ss by not letting you trade your 1068 in. He should have at least gave you a good deal knowing the 1069 was just around the corner.

I agree, I wasn't even expecting full credit to trade up. I would have taken maybe 70% of my purchase value but retailers here do not have the same idea of customer service that many places in the US have. If he had given me a reasonable trade in he probably would have had many more future sales as I was considering putting a music only system in another room and he also sells Paradigm speakers which I like. But such is life.

I'll keep reading to see how you make out with the SACD and other bug fixes. I printed out this thread yesterday and read it from beginning to end, thanks for all the input.

[Nolan B]

I agree, I wasn't even expecting full credit to trade up. I would have taken maybe 70% of my purchase value but retailers here do not have the same idea of customer service that many places in the US have. If he had given me a reasonable trade in he probably would have had many more future sales as I was considering putting a music only system in another room and he also sells Paradigm speakers which I like. But such is life.

I'll keep reading to see how you make out with the SACD and other bug fixes. I printed out this thread yesterday and read it from beginning to end, thanks for all the input.

Not to piss you off, but if it helps to bring to your dealer as a starting point I paid 1k and gave my 1068 to my dealer for a new 1069.

Im in canada and the pricing is obviously different, but I originally paid about 2500 for my 1068 and a new 1069 goes for $2900 i believe.

I think my trade is price was much more then fare...it woul dbe the same as me finding someone to buy my 1068 for $1900.

IMO your dealer should AT LEAST give you a 60% trade in value. Its a two way street. My dealer treated me so well this time (and times in the past) that I gave $600 worth of interconnects (after I had extras from buying Kingcats :T ) so they could throw them in in order to make the resale of the 1068 easier.

Ill update as best I can with the SACD PS3 playback issue as besty I can, but I can say that as of now I am personally not having luck. I am not giving up though because I cant think of any reason why it shouldnt work.