Do you plug your Amp into the line conditioner?

[titan7]

I just picked up a MC HTS 3500MKII, It has 2 high current outlets with a delay. I keep the AMP power button on and power up with the on button on the 3500. I figure it's protected and filtered. I have the CD and tuner plugged in to the switched outlets on the Pre-amp and I plugged the pre-amp into the another filtered/protected outlet on the conditioner. Somebody told me I am starving the Amp??

How are you hooked up?

[kurtholz]

cnage to dedicated lines for the amps, it made a huge improvement on my system, your doing right in the other compomets

Kurt

[Joey_V]

I plugged mine to the 3500mk2.

[titan7]

Thanks!

[thyname]

I plugged my RB-1080 at my Belkin PureAV PF60 amp socket and felt it lacked something. It is now plugged directly to the wall.

[benny]

You are limiting current to your amp by plugging it into the Monster. I would plug it into the wall or into a non current limiting conditioner like a Richard Grey.

[DSGCobra]

mine showed up today too. Killer deal on those. I am actually going to dissamble my entire system and rewire it so it looks just as good from the back. Pics to follow :B .

[tech_table]

You are limiting current to your amp by plugging it into the Monster. I would plug it into the wall or into a non current limiting conditioner like a Richard Grey.

I had all my gears plugged into HTS 3600 MKII, been using like this for several years, just for better, plus it's bit less worry, during the storm season, which causing the power to flickering. I do not know, if using like this is limiting current or not. But like to have something to protect my gears being hit by surge.

[Joey_V]

Tomorrow, I'll post my impressions of the ML Vantage plugged into the Monster vs plugged into the wall.

[H.Donald]

I plugged mine into a Monster 5100....it picked up interference that way.I then had it directly into the wall,which was fine...but of course never being satisfied,I now have it into a PS Audio,ultimate outlet.

[RickF]

I have a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the amp and receiver, everything else goes into the MonsterPower HTS 2600.

[Joey_V]

If no one uses the conditioner.. what's the point of the conditioner anyway?

[ILuvDefTech]

Not only that, I see that most people are using Monster power conditioners. The equipment protection, $500,000 or whatever, is only good if all components are plugged into it. Am I wrong? So if something happens and you have everything plugged in except your amp, you are SOL on the Monster guarantee if the surge came through your amp and zapped everything.

[jim777]

Don't plug the amp in the power conditionner until it's waranty is over LOL.

My HTS 1000 MKII doesn't do good to my amps sound, thats for sure...

[pembroke]

Most amp manufactures recommend not to plug them into a conditioner, it can limit the power supply during peaks. To answer the question from Joey_V, everything else gets gets plugged in - CD, DVD, Audio processor etc.
I have a Richard Gray 1200, but still have my amp connected directly to an outlet.

[mike c]

what happens in a thunder storm or electricity spike? is the amp safe (when plugged directly to the wall)?

[tech_table]

what happens in a thunder storm or electricity spike? is the amp safe (when plugged directly to the wall)?

I doubted, that why I used monster power, for less stress.

[ht_addict]

Most amp manufactures recommend not to plug them into a conditioner, it can limit the power supply during peaks. To answer the question from Joey_V, everything else gets gets plugged in - CD, DVD, Audio processor etc.
I have a Richard Gray 1200, but still have my amp connected directly to an outlet.

Honestly how much power do you think these amps draw? I've had a Rotel RMB-1095, NAD S250, NAD T773 and now a Denon 4806 plugged into my Monster HTPS7000/AVS2000 combo and never seen it go over 4amps total draw while watching a movie. And that reading includes the tv/dvd/cable box thats also plugged in.

[tech_table]

Honestly how much power do you think these amps draw?

Had my 1068/1095 plugged into the monster, had the vol at 82, front speaker set to large, sub set to max, the tv started to dimmed with my ceiling light as the bass punching. The digital meter on the monster read at 7-8 amp at that time, that all I know.

[KAP]

I have a Parasound HCA-2205 5 Channel Amp plugged into a Monster. It has always been hooked up that way and the sound is great. If I'm missing something, I doubt my ears are good enough to notice. Plus I like the sequencial timed on and off feature.

[rotel&energy]

"Had the vol at 82" - WOW! :E I don't think I've explored beyond 70.

For what it's worth, I posed the original question to Andrew at Rotel Tech Service and here is his reply:

"Protecting your amplifier is never a bad thing. The concerns you will
have with certain surge protectors is the performance. In order to keep you
amplifier running as specified you will need to purchase a surge protector
design for audio application and power capabilities of your components.
Also, keep in mind that $100.00 surge protector may perform and sound
different from a $200-$300 surge protector. I would suggest demoing a surge
protector just as you would demo audio products, for needed features and
sound performance. Finally, the next level to a surge protector is a line
conditioner. A line conditioner would be the best option; it protects and
supplies your components with condition AC voltage. Please apply the same
rules with purchase a line conditioner as purchasing a surge protector
previously stated."

[lazermike]

I have eveything but the processor pluged into my Monster HTS 3500MKII. This is my second MKII, as the first one took a dump a year ago. Now this one has lost the ability to turn off the amps on the delay or the switched circuits. I guess its going to be replaced too once I get around to it. I believe they are crappy condtioners, in the sense that they dont last, at least not for me.Thank goodness for thier lifetime warranty. Its kinda like the Dell laptop my Daughter has, the extended deluxe warranty is great, but I have shipped that out I dont know how many times till they got it all right.

[Eliav]

I have everything plugged to the MC 3500II.
I tried the amp. plugged to the wall - no difference.
I don't think that this conditioner does anything to sound. The only reason I keep it is for surge protection, Had I known better, i would have bought a simpler one, for surger protection only, probably for less than half the price
Eliav

[audiofan]

I have my RB-1080 plugged into Panamax 5300. The bass is more defined and tighter than i plug it into the wall outlet. (I don't have dedicated outlet).

[Claude D D]

With my Krell KAV400xi,Rotel RMB-1075,RSP-1068 + my Definitive PF1500 sub,DVD player,cable box etc. plugged into my Monster HTPS7000SS watching multi channel rock concert videos with the volume peaks in excess of 110db,the current draw was peaking at 12.7 amps.With my RB-1080 instead of the Krell my system never drew more than 9 amps.Unless you're running a serious current sucking amp or amps(in which case I would recommend running a dedicated 20 amp circut to power the amplifiers)I would plug your amp into a high quality surge protector/line conditioner that is capable of suppling the current your system requires. With the power fluctuations and lightning storms we get around here it gives me peace of mind. I've used power protection products on my gear for over 20 years and have yet to experience any equipment failure. Most consumer grade electronics do benifit from line conditioning. Rotel in conjunction with APC just announced a couple of interesting power products at CES. :T

[titan7]

I noticed not difference with the my RB-1080 whether in the wall or the HTS3500, Actually it sounded better in the conditioner, but that could be I think it sounds better??? Who knows? Since it did not sound worse I am not going to risk damage to my Rotel Equip.

[RickF]

I noticed not difference with the my RB-1080 whether in the wall or the HTS3500, Actually it sounded better in the conditioner, but that could be I think it sounds better??? Who knows? Since it did not sound worse I am not going to risk damage to my Rotel Equip.

Pray tell me how an amp can sound different or 'better' by being plugged into a surge protector as opposed to a wall outlet? Electricity is electricity...regardless of the source.

[Arneson]

Pray tell me how an amp can sound different or 'better' by being plugged into a surge protector as opposed to a wall outlet? Electricity is electricity...regardless of the source.

What?! This is very wrong.
In Florida my power is up, down, here, gone, all day, and lightning strikes? you shoul;d see what comes out of the outlet.
Or how about turning on a blender or vacuem anywhere in the house and put a scope on your outlet.
Hash, Spike, Brownout, not to mention surge, now they offer broadband on your power lines and remote video/ tel.
I'm just sayin.

[Azeke]

I have all my equipment plugged into Monster HTS 3500 MKII. I just want to ensure that my equipment is properly protected against spikes, surges, storms and is insured against these type of events. I have not evaluated how my amp performs when directly plugged in the line, I just hope that the difference is negligible. Just my $0.02.

Peace and blessings,

Azeke

[tech_table]

I have all my equipment plugged into Monster HTS 3500 MKII. I just want to ensure that my equipment is properly protected against spikes, surges, storms and is insured against these type of events. I have not evaluated how my amp performs when directly plugged in the line, I just hope that the difference is negligible. Just my $0.02.

Peace and blessings,

Azeke

I'm having the same thought as well.

[RickF]

What?! This is very wrong.
In Florida my power is up, down, here, gone, all day, and lightning strikes? you shoul;d see what comes out of the outlet.
Or how about turning on a blender or vacuem anywhere in the house and put a scope on your outlet.
Hash, Spike, Brownout, not to mention surge, now they offer broadband on your power lines and remote video/ tel.
I'm just sayin.

The best remedy to protect your equipment is to simply unplug it during lightening storms, I doubt there is any outside equipment that will positively, absolutely protect your amp or other associated equipment from being fried during a strike.

As to "line conditioning", that's what the transformer, rectifier and filter capacitors in the power supply section of receivers/amplifiers already do. Clean DC is supplied to the amplifying section and no external unit is necessary to do this.

I personally use a MonsterPower HTS2600 for added peace of mind and a place to plug all of my equipment in to....except for my amp, which is directly plugged into the wall outlet. I don't expect miracles from the unit though.


From the MonsterPower manual.....Disconnect During Storms ... go to page 5 and read the 'storm precautions'. These folks are going to pay for my fried equipment in the case it got hit by ligtening? I very much doubt it.

[Skynut]

I have everything running through my Panamax 5510.
If I am playing music loud or with heavy bass I can see the amps spike up to around 7.
My amp is a Sherbourn 7/2100
My Polk subs all run through my panamax also.

I figure if I can protect it I don't have to buy it again.

[Race Car Driver]

Ive been in the panamax vs monster debate for a while, when i get around to it, i will have to make the decision.

[Skynut]

I like the build quality and preformance of my Panamax,
I plan to try out another PC soon either an Exactpower ep15 or an APC sp15

[Nolan B]

i am demoing a Richard Grey 600s from my dealer and have had it for about a week. I have my Rotel RSX 1067, RDV 1060, iScan HD, XBOX 360, Cable Box and Plamsa plugged into it. I am a no BS guy, and in all honesty it has made an improvement in audio and video quality.

There is more detail and consistancy in my music, and better black levels and contrast in my picture quality.

I used a regular Pure AV power condition until I borrowed this RGPC 600s and I have to say that I am VERY tempted to drop 2k CDN on the richard grey...very tempted.

[Race Car Driver]

Now for all those that say dont plug in amps to the conditioners and what not, the new rotel digitals should be fine IMO in one of these.

[Eliav]

I plugged mine into a Monster 5100....it picked up interference that way.I then had it directly into the wall,which was fine...but of course never being satisfied,I now have it into a PS Audio,ultimate outlet.

I have my Calsse CA-M400 monoblocks and Rotel RMB 1095 plugged into a Monster 5100signature - to my ears it does not make any difference in sound quality. the power conditioner is otherwise hooked up to a dedicated 20 Amp. circuit . the main reason i use it is surge protection and the urge to pamper my power amps with pure current :lol: ...
Eliav

[grit]

Can you try something for us? Try running all of your equipment with no power conditioner, just straight from the wall, and see how it compares.

[pbarata]

As we all probably know by now Rotel will have power conditioners based on APC brand. I’ll wait to see what they will recommend in the end, in particular if they will recommend connecting power amps through mains conditioners or not.

Currently I’ve the power amp connect direct to mains and all other components: RCD-1075, RSP-1066, TV and DVD player to a mains filter from Olson. I benefit from a more clear and crystal sound and crispy image. However if I connect RMB-1075 to my mains filter the bass becomes to overwhelming for my taste.

[Dmantis]

I use a Panamax M5500ex and it has non current limiting outlets for power amps. I tried the wall and then the center and found that the center doesn't harm my sound in anyway. I'm a picky about my sound as it gets. If plugging into the wall sounded better , I would risk the amp and plug it direct.

My outlet is a 20amp deadicated circuit with a Ps audio powerport.All my powercables are upgrades as well.

Dan

[snowball]

can someone explain to me what exactly do these protectors do?
what types exist and when/why do you need them?

or should i start a new topic in the starting block,so i dont hijack this one?

[Skynut]

Don't know if it is a hi-jack since tis trhread is pretty old but, The power conditioner does just that, it conditions the power. If it is a decent conditioner it provides surge and brown-out protection, filters out noise that can be caused by emi/rfi in the power lines comming to your house or generated inside your house, and it can balance the power between the line and neutral.
I hope that all makes sense.
I feel like it was a sound investment for protecting my equipment and the added clarity is a distinct benifit.

[snowball]

Don't know if it is a hi-jack since tis trhread is pretty old but, The power conditioner does just that, it conditions the power. If it is a decent conditioner it provides surge and brown-out protection, filters out noise that can be caused by emi/rfi in the power lines comming to your house or generated inside your house, and it can balance the power between the line and neutral.
I hope that all makes sense.
I feel like it was a sound investment for protecting my equipment and the added clarity is a distinct benifit.

it makes sense,but the technical terms tend to confuze me here!

a surge? i guess its an augmentation in the current,that can fry the amps??

brown-out?maybe the opposite of a surge?

emi=electromagnetic interference?
rfi?
balancing the power?


i know that i am a complete noob,but i have to start learning!

[Skynut]

I was told that balanced power is basically instead of having 120v on the line and 0v on the neutral there is +60v on the line and -60v on the neutral. You still get 120v but it is balanced between the line and neutral.

RFI is radio frequency intereference IIRC