HDCD on RSP-1068/RDV-1050 not working?

[metallo]

Hi guys, i need help again!

Is it possible to get HDCD with a digital (coaxial) connection between RSP-1068 and RDV-1050. I have bought a HDCD album (Mark Knopfler - Golden heart), but i cant get any indication on my 1068 thats decoding a "real" HDCD-signal...

I suppose that i should come up "HDCD" in the RSP-1068 display?

/Daniel

[DJDREW]

Yes your RSP can decode HDCD. Keep in mind that some HDCD CD do not always have all tracks in HD.

[metallo]

Okey!
The question is... HOW do i know that it is decoding a HDCD signal, i cant see any indicator in the display, and i cant find it in the manual...

[pbarata]

Hi,

I have a similar situation as yours. With my Pioneer DVD player, using a digital connection (coax), playing an HDCD is never detected as HDCD on my RSP-1066.

However, if I play it on my RCD-1070, my RSP-1066 automatically detects this data format and plays it (through a digital connection).

I think that your DVD player will only decode properly the HDCD if it has the proper decoders, otherwise it will play as a standard music CD.

[metallo]

It seems very strange to me that rotel / freq asked question doesnt say a word about that, they ony say that i need a decoder in tha cd/dvd OR the prepro/receiver...
whats the point in having a decoder in the prepro/receiver when you also must have it your cd/dvd-player... stupid!

[Andrew Pratt]

It shouldn't need a decoder in the player so long as the DVD or CD player can pass the HD signal digitally to the Rotel. I'm not sure why it isn't working for you as as far as I can see it should be OK. Are you positive its a true HDCD?

[GosonFletchy]

Make sure that your processor is in 2CH stereo mode since HDCD is a stereo format.

G.

:assimilate:

[metallo]

Andrew Pratt, Im 99,9% sure my disc is a HDCD, on the cover of the disc is says HDCD, its printed HDCD on the disc it self... and i did a seach on www.hdcd.com http://www.hdcd.com/music_catalog/mu...lph=K&submit=1 and i found Mark Knopfler - Golden heart.
Can we agree that it is a "real" HDCD disc?

GosonFletchy, ive tried both coax and optical connection, in both cases it only shows "2ch PCM" in the display, and i have also double checked that the dvdplayer sends pcm/stream.

[bimmer528]

I posted this exact problem a few days ago but no replies.. I thought I was the only one.

I have the 1080 instead of the 1050 and do not get a decoded HDCD from the 1066. I have a Phillips Recordable Dvd player that is not HDCD that does allow the 1066 to decode the hdcd. I tried switching the digital cable from the phillips to the 1080 and that did not work.

In your 1050 audio setup, I am pretty sure it needs to be set to pcm/stream but I would toy with all of them to see if you get a signal. I have not had any luck. Dealing with Rotel support, they dont have any answers for me other then the 1080 is defective. The unit is brand new and highly doubt that is the problem.

I have spend countless hours trying to get it to work. I gave up and am planning to buy the 1072 rcd in the near future.

Actually, im going to play around with it some more :P

[Kevin D]

Here's a thought... Since HDCD isn't a different frequency or sample rate than a regular CD, maybe since the decoder is in the DVD player as well, it pre-decodes the 'extra' stuff and just sends it out as a normal signal. Makes sense because you only need a decoder in the player OR the receiver. Since there's no options for HDCD on the players, it probably just sends it out decoded all ready. That would concur with why your DVD recorder sends it out undecoded and the 1066 picks it up, but the 1080 that has a decoder built in doesn't change the display on the 1066 (since it's all ready decoded)..

Just a thought.

Kevin D.

[metallo]

Kevin D.

I cant find anywhere that rdv-1050 can decode HDCD, and not 1080 either?

[Kevin D]

Kevin D.

I cant find anywhere that rdv-1050 can decode HDCD, and not 1080 either?

Well there goes that thought... ASS-umtion on my part..

Kevin D.

[bimmer528]

There is definitly a problem somwhere.

Does ANYONE have a rdv with a 1066 or 1068, 1098 and do get hdcd? Possibly if some people posted... we then know we may have defective units.

[metallo]

Another thought...

After i downloaded manuals for 1066/1068/1056/1067, I noticed that 1066 and 1056 have the same display, and 1068/1067 have the same.

For 1066/1056 there is a text at the bottom of the display "hdcd" and i assume that it will light up when decoding hdcd?

1068/1067 doesnt have this text, how will it show that its decoding hdcd?

[Micke.H]

my 1068 gets hdcd in the middle of the display with my Pioneer 668 connected with coax.
I used van halen hdcd when tested..

[Vicente]

Maybe here is the answer: I have a rsx 1056 and I have tried the disk with three different DVD units.

With rdv-1060 it worked (I don´t have the unit now at home because it is in service repair :M , but I remember the HDCD sign lighting in the 1056)

With rdv-1050 no sign of HDCD on 1056 display (I just tried now and get amazed that no sign appears).

With Harman kardon DVD506 Limited Edition (probably is a dvd 22) it works.

So, maybe the problem is in the rdv-1050 that doesn´t send the signal to the receiver to ligh up the HDCD sign. I think it sends the sound correctly to the receiver altough it doesn't show it on the display.

Peobably another bug to correct for next upgrades.

Vicente

[metallo]

Is it anyone who have got a real hdcd-signal from a rdv-1050?

I just noticed a strange thing in the manual for RDV-1050, if you look at "Appendix C: digital signal output chart"

"DVD with 48/44.1 kHz, 16/20/24 bit = linear PCM 48/44.1 kHz, 16 bit, stereo linear PCM"
and
"Audio CD = 44,1khz, 16 bit, stereo linear PCM"

does it downsample everything to 16bit before it sends it via the digital connection? that can maybe explain why the it cant send hdcd?

And if you do a search in google for "rdv-1050 hdcd", you will get several pages that say 1050 has a built in hdcd-decoder? strange

Vicente post says it all... it must be a bug/error in the dvd-player.

[metallo]

*update*

At last i got hold of another dvdplayer to make certain that 1068 is okey.
I connected a Denver DVD-228 (around 100,- US dollar retail price) via coaxial digital and whaaam "HDCD" came up in the 1068 display.

My dealer will hear from me tomorrow... the big question is, do i dare to take a 1050 again or maybe get a 1060 or why not a pioneer 668...

confused

[Kevin D]

Just did a quick test with my 1098/1040 combo. The test disc in a Sony CD changer routed through a Escient controller the 1098 stays on PLIIx Music (my default setting). As soon as I hit stereo on the remote, the HDCD mode comes on no problem.

When I place the disc in the 1040 (default of PLIIx Movie), the 1098 automatically switches right over to HDCD decoding with no issues. 1040 is hooked up via coaxial.

AFAIK, the 1040 and 1050 differ only with the addition of DVDA. Maybe this inclusion and or a related setting for that causes issues with HDCD? Has anyone changed the speaker output from 5 speakers to 2 speakers (for DVDA) and see if that changes anything?

Kevin D.

[metallo]

Kevin D
I have tried what you said, changed all menyitems regarding sound back and forwards, both analogue and digital, but with no luck.

[Cracking Oboe]

RDV-1060 / RSP 1068 and HDCD

When I play an HDCD disc on my RDV 1060, and use the digital input on my RSP 1068 in 2ch mode, "HDCD" shows up on the RSP's display indicating that it is decoding the HDCD signal. So, no problem for me.

However, I have had a problem with one of my HDCD discs (Aaron Neville - Believe). My RCD and my RDV are unable to pick up the HDCD tracks/layer. They just play in PCM mode, even though it is clearly marked on the CD that the disc is HDCD. I have no other problems with other HDCD discs (even a few that aren't marked HDCD which were apparently recorded in HDCD). So maybe the particular disc you have is the problem, like my Aaron Neville.

Cracking!

[DJDREW]

What format is your digital output of yoru DVD player? This may play a big part of your HD decoding

[Bostonears]

According to the HDCD folks (originally Pacific Microsonics, now owned by Microsoft!), the HDCD decoding is an integral part of the digital-to-analog conversion. If you're using digital output from an HDCD-enabled CD player, all the HDCD decoding happens in the receiving preamp. The same is also true if you're using a CD player that is not HDCD-enabled. Therefore, the only advantage of having HDCD in the CD player is if you use the analog outputs.

Anyone interested in a general overview of HDCD should check out http://www.hdcd.com/about/whatisHDCD.html

By the way, I use digital audio output from a Marantz DV18 mkII DVD/CD player with my RSP-1068, and the HDCD indicator on the preamp comes on no problem.

[bimmer528]

Apparently it's a problem with the 1050's only. (I mistook my 1050 for a 1080 above) Got confused... my tuner is a 1080.

[metallo]

*update again*

After mailing to Rotel support a couple of times a Mr Scott answers me.

Quote.

In response to your question the RDV1050 does not decode HDCD and cannot provide the bit stream. This is why your RSP1068 does not display 'HDCD' when playing an HDCD using a digital input.

Quote End.

Please observe "...cannot provide the bit stream"

Its a very strange way to design a DVD-player...

[Cracking Oboe]

[QUOTE=metallo the RDV1050 does not decode HDCD and cannot provide the bit stream [/QUOTE]


I'M SHOCKED!! 8O

Cracking

[Kevin D]

I really don't see what would cause the 1040 to pass it and not the 1050 not to.. Odd... Maybe a case of them just providing an answer to fit the problem??

Kevin D.

[bimmer528]

I really don't see what would cause the 1040 to pass it and not the 1050 not to.. Odd... Maybe a case of them just providing an answer to fit the problem??

Kevin D.

Providing an answer would mean send all the 1050's back to the store for people that want it.

I took mine in today and my dealer (Audio Consultants) of Chicago were stunned.

As a local tech for Rotel there at the store, he provided me with why it's not doing it but it was something internally.. I can't remember the part name.

He hooked it up to a Classe and a 1098 with no luck. Then tried a 1040 and 1060, both worked. Tried his demo 1050 and no luck. He stated my unit is not defective and it is in his best opinion, this is a problem with ALL the 1050's.

He will be in touch with Rotel Wed to see what they say. Chances are, im stuck with the unit with no compensation. My dealer stated they wouldn't even allow me to trade up (full value of mine) for a 1060. My unit is 3 months old and mint.

[bimmer528]

metallo; I spoke with my dealer today and they had said that Rotel has a couple of the unit's in right now, they are aware it's a problem and rotel will call my dealer next week letting them know what to do.

The good thing is they realize it's a problem and are atm.. making progress toward it.

[metallo]

bimmer528
I wonder what Rotel USA/Europe will say about this, as far as i know it is Rotel Japan that is designing the products, at least the DVD-players.

The last thing Mr Scott at Rotel Europe told me was Quote. The RDV1050 uses a different DSP chip set to that of the RDV1060. The chip set used in the RDV1050 is not able to detect HDCD, and therefore pass on the bit-stream to the processor. Quote end.

And he also wrote that he will contact Rotel Japan in this mather and let me know what they say.

I wonder where this will end, the best thing would be a firmware update on a CD or something like that, but i guess that is a bit optimistic

Good luck with your dealer...

[bimmer528]

u 2 and let me know if u find out anything, ill do the same. The shaddy part is even though im happy with the unit, I want hdcd and without having a 1072, I cant get it in the 1050. Dispite this and especially spending thousands and thousands at my dealer over the past 10 years. You would think they would let me take back my unit of 3 months and at least upgrade.. Of course though.... they wont give me full credit back.

we'll see what happens.. maybe ill just get the 1072 and that will shut me the hell up :P