RSP-1098 HELP...what am I doing wrong?!

**PewterTA** · 19 December 2004, 15:39 Sunday

UPDATE
Okay...so I watched the receiver...it goes from DTS 6.1 Dis. over to Dolby PLII on the display, as soon as it says that, a second or so later you hear the relay kick over...after that I can't get the DTS stream back unless I switch the audio on the DVD player or switch inputs on the 1098...

If watching a DD track, the receiver does not do this...?

What the heck! I mean I can understand it going back over...but why won't it re-initialize the DTS track when playback starts again? My yamaha never had this problem, so I don't think it's the DVD player (pioneer dv-563a)...?!!?

**will1066** · 19 December 2004, 15:50 Sunday

That's strange, indeed. I'm not even sure why it's going back to Dolby ProLogic II when the player is paused. My understanding is the signal from the player doesn't get cut off unless it is completely stopped, not simply on pause.

**PewterTA** · 19 December 2004, 16:03 Sunday

It doesn't matter if I pause or stop the DVD, if I stop the DVD and hit play again, it will not even pick it back up... I have to either cycle through the audio tracks on the DVD player, or change the inputs on the Receiver...it seems.

**Kevin D** · 19 December 2004, 17:28 Sunday

What DVD player are you using? There have been reports that some don't resend the DTS flag correctly when paused or stopped. IE, there should be a flag everytime the stream is restarted.

The reason it goes to PLII is because when it looses the DTS stream it defaults to PLII when the singal type is unknown. After a bit I'm guessing the DVD player quits sending any signal and the 1098 defaults to the analog inputs of the DVD input. When no flag is returned with the stream starting the 1098 is lost. Changing inputs and back reverts the 1098 into auto-search to try and find the correct mode. Changing audio on the DVD player resends the correct flag.

This is one of those "rotel is technically to spec" problems, that cheaper more massed produced products have no issues with..

Kevin D.

**DrJRapp** · 19 December 2004, 19:34 Sunday

I agree with Kevin that it may be an issue with your DVD player. I have two players a Bravo D1, which causes my 1098 to behave as you describe, and a Samsung HD841 which does not cause the 1098 to hiccup. Processors are basically computers and the old saying "garbage-in...garbage-out frequently applies.

**PewterTA** · 19 December 2004, 22:51 Sunday

Yeah I agree, it just sort of stinks that my Yamaha, when ever you paused it, it would switch from DTS/DD to PLIIx and then whenever you played it again it was able to pull the signal again...

Shame a $899 receiver can do something quite simple that a $3000 one can't...

I guess I was just really looking forward to this unit and it's like a little thing that sort of brings you down. Like buying a new car only to find out there's a recall on it the day after you get it.

On the up side, I can tell that the sound is improving on the unit as it's been used all day. In the beginning it seemed a little "thin" I guess, and it seems like it's opening up...

The sound stage being so much larger is almost tough to get used to...

The quality of the sound is on par with the Yamaha, but just has that little bit something extra too it. The only way I can describe it is the new Rotel (after one day of use) is showing almost everything I loved about the yamaha, and I'm sure will only get better with time. Though I think that does go to show how well Yamaha has done with their Receivers for the price.

**lcajiga** · 21 December 2004, 11:46 Tuesday

DVD Setup

Hi, did you checked the DVD setup? Some DVD's you may specify to output only Digital or both D/PCM. I have a friend that had it setup for downstream conversion and had problems watching movies in DD or DTS. Just shooting stars. My Yamaha DVD keeps sending the correct signal even if I pause for half an hour. I have it setup to both digital and PCM. Another thing to check is what default you have for the DVD input in the 1098. Maybe switching may help.

Regards,
Luis

**PewterTA** · 21 December 2004, 12:01 Tuesday

They thanks for the tips Luis...

I haven't gotten a real chance to play around with it. I did hook up a cheap (free) JVC DVD player and it worked fine with the rotel. One pause the unit didn't change from DTS mode at all, the next pause it jumped to PLIIx - Cinema, but as soon as I unpaused it, it went right back to DTS. So I think it's something with the Pioneer DVD player...which isn't the best DVD player, but I'm happy with it. I'm going to check those settings I believe I have it all set for no conversion what so ever, so that everything is sent "as is" with no downstream conversion. But I'll check again, I've been known to mess things up! :T

...but I'm thinking it's most likely the DVD player...and isn't a super bad issue, just annoying...

If worse comes to worse, I'll just have to start my search for a new DVD player sometime in the summer.

Though I don't really want to do that if I can avoid it...trying to get a house is the most important step right now I think.

**Orange Peel** · 21 December 2004, 13:09 Tuesday

Dan - Did your 1098 come with the most current firmware version? If not download the new firmware and see what that might do, just an idea, if mine does this crap, ohhhhh man, I may be selling it right away, my Denon DVD 1600 never did this with my Elite, and if it does with the 1098, I may be testing out the B&K Ref 50

**PewterTA** · 21 December 2004, 14:09 Tuesday

My firmware is the 3.01.something, so it's the newest version I believe.

I'm betting your Denon won't have a problem. I'm going to try a toshiba DVD player (crap DVD player again) and my other Pioneer I have available...I'm betting none of them do it... Just a funny feeling I have.

I think somewhere I read once (when I purchased it) that some people had issues because the DVD player does not re-send the flags...it's like a nagging hunch I have in the back of my mind that I read that somewhere...but I think someone said that the Yamaha I had was so lienent that it wouldn't matter one bit...

Trust me, my $130 Pioneer DV-563a DVD player probably doesn't stand up worth anything to your Denon.

**dermie999** · 21 December 2004, 14:14 Tuesday

Lets be fair here guys.

There seems to be a propensity to expect miracles from Rotel.

I see nothing in this thread that tells me there was anything wrong with the 1098 but more so with the Pioneer DVD.

OK so the Rotel handled the pause differently from the Yamaha. But lets face it the 1098 connected to a JVC DVD player continued correctly after pausing. My 1098 behaves itself both with my previous Yamaha DVD player and my Denon 2900 DVD player. Tells me Rotel are doing something right.

Trevor

**PewterTA** · 21 December 2004, 16:53 Tuesday

I agree, the more I look at it, I think it's just like Kevin said, that with Rotel strickly following things (which is what gives them the great sound that they do produce)...I think that's what's causing the problem... I really should probably look into investing into something later down the line here (once this is paid off)... Then I'll get myself a good DVD player.

At least it plays the DTS tracks with amazing clarity and presence to the sound stage! So as long as it plays...I will work to figure out if I can get it fixed, or sell it and get a new one later on...

But it always worries one when they first get something new and things don't work, when they did the old way... ...but I always try to give myself time enough time to really figure out what the true problem is. I'm hoping there might be a firmware update or something that can be done to see if that corrects the problem.

**DrJRapp** · 26 December 2004, 02:17 Sunday

Originally posted by DrJRapp

I agree with Kevin that it may be an issue with your DVD player. I have two players a Bravo D1, which causes my 1098 to behave as you describe, and a Samsung HD841 which does not cause the 1098 to hiccup. Processors are basically computers and the old saying "garbage-in...garbage-out frequently applies.

Ok guys, I now have a variation on the theme. My RSP 1098 just started to kick out of DTS on DVD layer changes, and my DVD player is one of the fastest on layer changes according to Secrets. Annoying, very annoying. anyone experience something similar?

**PewterTA** · 26 December 2004, 09:49 Sunday

lol...

Mine doesn't kick on out layer changes... Sorry I have to laugh at that one.

I know the Pioneer is real slow on layer changes, I know where everyone is in the movies because I watch it pause... I'm not sure if the 1098 ever changes...if anything it might do where it displays the DTS on the screen (meaning it lost the signal right?). Then before the relay would switch (taking it off DTS mode) it goes back off as the movie continues...

It seems very random as to when the 1098 decides to kick off or not (doesn't happen all the time with the same discs)... Weird.

I just watched iRobot (DTS) and it didn't once come off the DTS track...but it did sound good!

I found out for me, if I just cycle through the audio tracks if I've paused it tooo long, the player has to resend the flag and the 1098 works fine.

**greve** · 26 December 2004, 10:41 Sunday

I have exactly the same problems as PewterTA (and others) but not the layer change problem that DrJRapp reported.

My usual DVD-Player Denon DVD-3800 does not cause a problem with DTS streams, but that one is in for repair at the moment, so I connected my old Philips DVD 751 with same cables and same everything - and my RSP-1098 then started the problem with not coming back on (DTS) track 8) after pause. My conclusion was problem with the Philips DVD-Player and it seems that people here agree that the RSP-1098 is not at fault. But annoying it is... Luckily I will get my Denon DVD-3800 back soon... :P

There is no problem during layer change, whether DTS or DD.

RSP-1098 HELP...what am I doing wrong?!

RSP-1098 HELP...what am I doing wrong?!

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