I must say I find it amusing how sure people are about the new series not being good. I remeber the same was said when the d series first came out. The best anyone can say at this point is tone determined.
New B&W serie 800 !!!
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I'm sure they will be very nice. Also here in europe, the price hike is no more than the inflation, ie. same prices as the old version. For the 800-803d at least.B&W 800 Diamond, B&W805S, B&W DB1, Classe SSP 800, DIY Icepower ASX2 600W monos, Ayre QB9, JPlay.- Bottom
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Originally posted by sikonikoI must say I find it amusing how sure people are about the new series not being good. I remeber the same was said when the d series first came out. The best anyone can say at this point is tone determined.
One would think we are "b&w fanboys" because of their quality and the confidence we have in these products. So many complaints of the price increase as if there is no real reason to justify it.
I think the best we can do until they hit the shops is complain or appreciate the new exterior enhancements which are growing on me more and more.
Further major advances in audio-critical areas provide the entire range with a dramatic leap forward in terms of audio quality compared to the outgoing 800 Series. The diamond dome tweeter is now a quad-magnet design, which increases efficiency and improves the dynamic range of the top-end performance. A new surround material aids dispersion characteristics, and provides a more stable stereo image while increasing openness.
At the other end of the tonal scale, bass performance has also improved with the introduction of a new dual magnet motor system, which utilises powerful neodymium magnets. This innovative design improves the linearity of the bass drivers’ performance, therefore reducing harmonic distortion.
Serious work has also gone into the small details that combine to make a loudspeaker special. New Bowers & Wilkins-designed oxygen-free-copper speaker terminals and links ensure the signal quality into the speaker is the best possible. All models’ crossovers feature a new design of capacitor using a unique silver, gold and oil construction. This component, chosen subjectively by Bowers & Wilkins engineers, in itself provides a dramatic increase in sound quality.- Bottom
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Originally posted by Ken49rI would agree sikoniko, One would think we are "b&w fanboys" because of their quality and the confidence we have in these products. So many complaints of the price increase as if there is no real reason to justify it. I think the best we can do until they hit the shops is complain or appreciate the new exterior enhancements which are growing on me more and more.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by sikonikoSometimes it is better to have facts instead of assumptions. The new diamond is a complete redesign that includes four magnets and a new surround housing to include better control and dynamics. There is also a new dual magnet LF woofer that uses neodidium instead of what they were before. I'll let rebelman explain the crossover upgrades. I would equate the upgrade for 805 and 804 as significant while the others as more of a major tweak to improve performance.
Depending on who you talked to at the booth, they claim the new 802 diamond is as good or better than the outgoing 800d.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by sikonikoI must say I find it amusing how sure people are about the new series not being good. I remeber the same was said when the d series first came out. The best anyone can say at this point is tone determined.
For myself, before the launch, I had considered whether to replace my 805Ss with the 805 Diamonds as surrounds, just to better match my 802D fronts. That seems doubtful now given the price and also the stylistic change. If, however, I somehow move to a larger home anytime soon (doubtful), I wouldn't be so against buying a pair of 805 Diamonds and "adding" it to my system for 7.1, silver bezels and all. :B However, this seems an unlikely scenario for me, and any "upgrade" to my current house might be better timed to at least 6 years down the line when B&W completely re-styles and re-tools the 800 series. Now THAT would be a compelling upgrade to me! :T- Bottom
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Originally posted by SkyblueDidn't they claim that on the last upgrade as well?Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by GumpNice to see you posting again James! The 805D's must be quite intriguing to inspire you out of your HT Guide "reclusion". I would love to have a pair of those for surrounds.... 8)
Every year I kick myself for not going to Vegas/CES with you guys....maybe next year !"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by Kal RubinsonI got to hear the 805Ds and was quite impressed with the overall balance and power, given the unfamiliar system and room."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."- Bottom
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Originally posted by KyaDawnI think people are debating whether for current "D" owners whether the "Diamond" would be worth replacing their current speakers for, and for many it seems unlikely.
However, this seems an unlikely scenario for me, and any "upgrade" to my current house might be better timed to at least 6 years down the line when B&W completely re-styles and re-tools the 800 series. Now THAT would be a compelling upgrade to me! :T
B&W's biggest achievement in this upgrade is giving the us the 805D that has been asked for ever since I've been reading this forum. Finally it's here.
Price wise it doesn't seem that far off from what I've come to expect from B&W. The upgrades in the upper tier of the 800 series isn't that dramatic for the upgrades they have added vs the 804 & 805 getting the diamond along with other upgrades as well. Hell I think I paid $600.00 for the 805 stands that didn't give me anywhere near the upgrade the speakers are getting.- Bottom
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Still after all this time I just can't warm up to the new look of the 800 series.
I've always gotten the impression that the people who buy b&W do so based upon not just sound but the beauty of them as well.They appear to busy to the eye for my taste since the revision.I really wonder who came up with the silly idea of the,Ring around the woofers,concept.And even more disturbed at who gave it the green light.I just can't get the cheep car audio analogy out of my minds eye.
Something akin to adding earrings to the Mona Lisa is what they've accomplished visually,at least for me.
But I do respect those here who do like it.But before the revision I would think everyone liked the vibe they had.Clearly that isn't the case anymore.Can this help sales?I think not.A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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I agree, I think the true story of the new line is the 805 Diamond and to a smaller extent, the 804 Diamond. Especially for someone looking for a stand-mount stereo pair, it would be hard to ignore the 805 Diamond!
When the time comes, if I can't find a pair of 803S locally, I'll most probably buy something non-B&W.- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyStill after all this time I just can't warm up to the new look of the 800 series.
I've always gotten the impression that the people who buy b&W do so based upon not just sound but the beauty of them as well.They appear to busy to the eye for my taste since the revision.I really wonder who came up with the silly idea of the,Ring around the woofers,concept.And even more disturbed at who gave it the green light.I just can't get the cheep car audio analogy out of my minds eye.
Something akin to adding earrings to the Mona Lisa is what they've accomplished visually,at least for me.
But I do respect those here who do like it.But before the revision I would think everyone liked the vibe they had.Clearly that isn't the case anymore.Can this help sales?I think not.
Maybe we should have expected this new "styling" when they introduced the DB1.
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Originally posted by george_kI don't know about that. I own a pair of 703s and was looking to upgrade to a pair of 803s in the near future, with the price hike I feel I would now be getting less of a 'complete' speaker for $6k (805D vs 803S).- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyStill after all this time I just can't warm up to the new look of the 800 series.
I've always gotten the impression that the people who buy b&W do so based upon not just sound but the beauty of them as well.They appear to busy to the eye for my taste since the revision.I really wonder who came up with the silly idea of the,Ring around the woofers,concept.Mac 8gb SSD Audirvana ->Weiss INT202 firewire interface ->Naim DAC & XPS2 DR->Conrad Johnson CT5 & LP70S-> Vivid B1s. Nordost Valhalla cables & resonance management. (Still waiting for Paul Hynes PS:M)
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I dont get what all the gripe is about the "new" speakers.
They are still better looking than 99% of all speakers out there IMO.B&W- Bottom
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Originally posted by Ken49rHonestly I don't think any current owner of diamond speakers will upgrade unless they happen to have some spare cash lying around.
Originally posted by Ken49rI doubt if Abby Road or Lucas Films upgrades either unless B&W is giving them away as some sort of advertisement campaign.
Originally posted by Ken49rB&W's biggest achievement in this upgrade is giving the us the 805D that has been asked for ever since I've been reading this forum. Finally it's here.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by Race Car DriverI dont get what all the gripe is about the "new" speakers.
They are still better looking than 99% of all speakers out there IMO.- Bottom
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Originally posted by beden1The only problen I have is that they are no longer offering black ash. I really want the 805Ds for my surrounds, but, I am hesitant because they won't match my front three speakers.Panasonic TC-P65VT30
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Originally posted by bwsoundI find it strange that B&W still hasn't updated the official site with the new 800 series. We want to see the specifications, how the new drivers are made, what exactly is done to the crossover, etc. I want the facts...
Heck, since I'm speculating, let's go whole hog. They still might be considering adding options like black trim rings.- Bottom
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Originally posted by CharlieuLots of new pictures to take, copy to write and be approved. I hope they do a new promotional DVD too. I still enjoy the music selections they put on the one for the D series.
Heck, since I'm speculating, let's go whole hog. They still might be considering adding options like black trim rings.
Sooner or later some one will come up with black rings to ad, if it will be B&W?! The rings are ok on the new black, but with the natural wood it's completly out of place. Replacing them on the drivers might be an easy to do yourself job, I think not so with the flowport, it might be glued...- Bottom
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Well, the tweeters are easy. Some matte black pin stripping for auto... the rest you could use the pin stripping and the grills to cover it up or some masking tape and matte black paint if it really bothers you (anyone). I think if you buy them, bring them home you will love them no matter what. We all know there is lots of ways to fix the silver/chrome rings, but the price increase is the real joke of it all. IMHO.. MIKE- Bottom
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Just look at all that reflection.Now try to envision it for HT.
The more pictures I see the more I am convinced that the old Black Ash was the way to go.It's just too much of a good thing for my tastes.
Isn't it interesting that there is no 802D among the lot?A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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Originally posted by aarsoeOne thing that I like about the new series is how much more cleaner they look without the cover on the bass units. The "old" 802D's had a much more rough look with screws being more visible compared to the new mounting.A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyJust look at all that reflection.Now try to envision it for HT.
The more pictures I see the more I am convinced that the old Black Ash was the way to go.It's just too much of a good thing for my tastes.
Isn't it interesting that there is no 802D among the lot?- Bottom
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Originally posted by aarsoeOne thing that I like about the new series is how much more cleaner they look without the cover on the bass units. The "old" 802D's had a much more rough look with screws being more visible compared to the new mounting.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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No - not the holes, but the actual number of screws being used for holding the bass units in place.
The new design seems to be using smaller ones that are leveled with surface and not like the hex screws that stand out on the "old" 8XXD series..- Bottom
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Originally posted by aarsoeNo - not the holes, but the actual number of screws being used for holding the bass units in place. The new design seems to be using smaller ones that are leveled with surface and not like the hex screws that stand out on the "old" 8XXD series..Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyTrust me there is a definite difference.Looks a little to soft core now.Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."Dwight D. Eisenhower- Bottom
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Originally posted by 1oldguyJust look at all that reflection.Now try to envision it for HT.
The more pictures I see the more I am convinced that the old Black Ash was the way to go.It's just too much of a good thing for my tastes.
The omission of black ash is my biggest concern with the new series. The silver rings would look just as nice on the black ash. IMO piano black makes cheaper components look expensive, and probably why so many Def-Tech speakers fly out of places like BestBuy. They can't offer a better looking wood veneer at the same price. I chose my 800's in black ash because the grain of the wood was one of the best I've ever seen. Piano black is used on everything today from computers to toasters. It's a fad that will lose it's luster in years and I surely don't want to spend $24,000.00 on plastic looking speakers.
I would prefer B&W offer the customer a choice in blacks as JL Audio does.- Bottom
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