803d, Htm2d

[KyaDawn]

Thanks.I agree with the impressive looks and that's part of the allure and awe besides the performance.Want to sound it out well before pulling the trigger. As you know the rest of the gear, by going for the 802D's am I committing myself to better electronics down the road? The only thing that I'll be spending and that too not for a while would be gear for my rears and the blu-ray player. Many on this forum feel that Rotel amps may not do them justice, or rather they "deserve" Classe or Macintosh! That I am not going to buy no matter what, they are insanely expensive. The argument on the other hand will be why go for great speakers if you can't get the best out of them? I guess that is a personal choice but the fact that you have the identical gear, it would be great to know what your expereince has been driving these with the 1092/1091 combo.That is my only concern and possibly hold up. Let me know what you think. Thanks

I don't really buy into the whole "802Ds MUST be powered by Classe/Mac/Krell etc." argument. Sure, they might sound better with amps that are several more times expensive, but that doesn't mean that a Rotel 1092 won't sound good either. Now if you're talking about driving them with a 70 wpc Sony receiver, then that's another story! :B

The problem with this line of thinking in your case is that the same argument can be made for 803Ds. You are arguably not getting "the best out of them" with the Rotel 1092, and a "Classe or Macintosh" amp would provide the same or very similar difference in sound quality as they would the 802Ds.

Either way, you are getting a better speaker with the 802D than with the 803D, and a better sound if you are matching them with identical electronics. Again, whether that difference is "worth it" to you is a whole different argument.

Now if you're asking me whether the 803D paired with Classe or Mac would sound better than the 802D paired with Rotel, THAT would be an interesting question. I wouldn't know the answer, but I wouldn't be surprised if people thought the 803D would be better in that case. I'm not sure you can upgrade your Rotel to a similar Classe with the money you save from buying a 803D, but certainly saving money on the 803Ds would allow you to buy better electronics.

Personally I'm totally satisfied for now with my 802Ds and Rotel 1092. However, I wouldn't rule out in a few years to want to try a different amp, like Classe or what have you, just to try something new and to get more mileage out of my 802Ds. If you feel that you're not going to upgrade to Classe or Macintosh "no matter what", then to me, that's even more reason to purchase the 802Ds as you're purchasing the better speaker of the two and thus eliminating the need to upgrade in the future whatsoever. :T

[style]

Hy Ray,

The 802D is for ME the Best B&W speaker, better as the 800D....
personal taste ops:

I agree KyaDawn: 802D don't needed Classe or other: the Rotel work too fine,
but I dont know what do you will REALLY for a system!

a Combo Rsp1570&RMB1575 + 803D, htm2D an rear ??? (what will be therear speakers?) give you very satisfaction.

A Classe SSP800&CA5200, B&W802D, htm2D and 803D rear is a GREAT system.

now if the money is a "problem" muss you decide!,the B&W802D,Htm2D and a rear 805S minimal with a Rotel Rsp1570&Rmb1575 can too be a solution.

What do you "need" , your budget,....you have a lot of opinion: Now is your choice!


style

[ray5]

Hy Ray,

The 802D is for ME the Best B&W speaker, better as the 800D....
personal taste ops:

I agree KyaDawn: 802D don't needed Classe or other: the Rotel work too fine,
but I dont know what do you will REALLY for a system!

a Combo Rsp1570&RMB1575 + 803D, htm2D an rear ??? (what will be therear speakers?) give you very satisfaction.

A Classe SSP800&CA5200, B&W802D, htm2D and 803D rear is a GREAT system.

now if the money is a "problem" muss you decide!,the B&W802D,Htm2D and a rear 805S minimal with a Rotel Rsp1570&Rmb1575 can too be a solution.

What do you "need" , your budget,....you have a lot of opinion: Now is your choice!


style

Style,
Thanks. Here is what my system will look like
803D or 803D
HTM2D
Rotel 1092 and 1091
Rotel 1570 pre/pro
My rears would be 805S with perhaps a Rotel 1565 later in about a few months to a year. I had the 1575 in mind but chose to go with the the higher powered and higher current combo of 1092/1091. This way I put most of the muscle upfront.
Ray

[style]

Ray,
i had the RB1092 for the front, another RB1092 for the rear and a RB1091 for the center.(pre was Rsp1068)

the new Rotel 15 is sure a evolution from this tecnologie and i'm sure /i have listen the Rsp1575) is very good and enoght to drive the 803D without problems.
the Rb1092/91 are not so much muscled vs. the rsp1575....

For the 802D...well is a great speaker this is sure....but is you have another pre can make the difference too.

i have the 803d and with the pre Classe SSP800 the sound is so good like never!!! Before the SSP800 come in my home the 802D was in my head but this upgrade can wait long time....

Style

[ray5]

Ray,
i had the RB1092 for the front, another RB1092 for the rear and a RB1091 for the center.(pre was Rsp1068)

the new Rotel 15 is sure a evolution from this tecnologie and i'm sure /i have listen the Rsp1575) is very good and enoght to drive the 803D without problems.
the Rb1092/91 are not so much muscled vs. the rsp1575....

For the 802D...well is a great speaker this is sure....but is you have another pre can make the difference too.

i have the 803d and with the pre Classe SSP800 the sound is so good like never!!! Before the SSP800 come in my home the 802D was in my head but this upgrade can wait long time....

Style

The 1092 is 2x 500wpc with 40 amps current. The 1575 is 5x 250, not as powerful.
RAy

[ray5]

I don't really buy into the whole "802Ds MUST be powered by Classe/Mac/Krell etc." argument. Sure, they might sound better with amps that are several more times expensive, but that doesn't mean that a Rotel 1092 won't sound good either. Now if you're talking about driving them with a 70 wpc Sony receiver, then that's another story! :B

The problem with this line of thinking in your case is that the same argument can be made for 803Ds. You are arguably not getting "the best out of them" with the Rotel 1092, and a "Classe or Macintosh" amp would provide the same or very similar difference in sound quality as they would the 802Ds.

Either way, you are getting a better speaker with the 802D than with the 803D, and a better sound if you are matching them with identical electronics. Again, whether that difference is "worth it" to you is a whole different argument.

Now if you're asking me whether the 803D paired with Classe or Mac would sound better than the 802D paired with Rotel, THAT would be an interesting question. I wouldn't know the answer, but I wouldn't be surprised if people thought the 803D would be better in that case. I'm not sure you can upgrade your Rotel to a similar Classe with the money you save from buying a 803D, but certainly saving money on the 803Ds would allow you to buy better electronics.

Personally I'm totally satisfied for now with my 802Ds and Rotel 1092. However, I wouldn't rule out in a few years to want to try a different amp, like Classe or what have you, just to try something new and to get more mileage out of my 802Ds. If you feel that you're not going to upgrade to Classe or Macintosh "no matter what", then to me, that's even more reason to purchase the 802Ds as you're purchasing the better speaker of the two and thus eliminating the need to upgrade in the future whatsoever. :T

Thanks. That helps. I never had doubts about the 802D's being better speakers but baulked at the price tag. But when I got the dealer offer it seems just within reach with a bit of pain now but probably years of satisfaction. Also, as mentioned in one of the posts in this thread that if I now go with the 803D I'll always think what if.............. :roll: And the last thing I want is the lingering doubt despite spending top dollar for the system.
Ray