Classe Electronics and 802d's

**RebelMan** · 29 March 2006, 15:26 Wednesday

With the exception of the ML Vantage I have heard all of the previously mentioned loudspeakers and with a variety of equipment but like you I found the Classe' Delta series and B&W 800 series synergy unbeatable.

The room you have in mind, assuming all of the typical domestic treatments are in place like carpeting or throw rugs, curtains and furniture that reacts better to low frequencies (leather not really suitable), should be fine. Rooms that carry cathedral/vaulted ceilings often react better to first order reflections than do traditional ceilings. Soundwaves will be reflected, diffused or absorbed. You can control and balance these waves by strategically placing the materials/items that makeup your room.

Given your room's dimensions, specifications and speaker placement you should be fine. I would take advantage of the extra depth of the room and pull the speakers a little further out by an additional 1.5 to 2.0 feet and try and maintain at least 2.5 feet from the sides if possible. The closer you are to the walls the more susceptible you become to room gain and extended reverberation times. Keeping the speakers further out also alleviates some less conventional acoustical treatments that would be necessary otherwise and improves soundstaging.

**smjc99** · 29 March 2006, 16:32 Wednesday

Thanks Rebelman, I am guessing the 802D's will sound good just like in the dealer's room.

Anyone has any listening experience with HTM2D. ?

**SRT-10 Viper** · 30 March 2006, 06:08 Thursday

smjc88, I have the HTM2d as a center with 800D fronts. The three speakers integrate very well. I am using Classe CAM/350s for the front and Krell TAS/200W biamped to 800W for the center, and 200W for a pair of N802s in the rear. The HTM2D is great for HT and for multichannel music.

**smjc99** · 30 March 2006, 11:20 Thursday

Thanks Viper

I am going to use 802 D and HTm2D with Calsse 5200 ( 5 channel amp, 200 times 5 ) . I can afford only this but if the amp is not powerful enough for 802D, please lemme know

I rather not get 802D if I cant afford amplifiers better than Classes 5200

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 11:57 Thursday

So far, I have only used 2 of the channels on the Classe 3200 with the 2 N802Ds I have and I think that it is quite adequate in power. Sound quality is excellent.

Just heard that the shipper has the 3rd N802D and the 804s on the way! ;-)

Kal

**miner** · 30 March 2006, 12:16 Thursday

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson

So far, I have only used 2 of the channels on the Classe 3200 with the 2 N802Ds I have and I think that it is quite adequate in power. Sound quality is excellent.

Just heard that the shipper has the 3rd N802D and the 804s on the way! ;-)

Kal

Will the 3rd N802D be your center & 804s your rear? If so, what a set up. ;x(

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 13:39 Thursday

Originally posted by miner

Will the 3rd N802D be your center & 804s your rear? If so, what a set up. ;x(

Yup.

Kal

**miner** · 30 March 2006, 14:11 Thursday

Kal,
Do you get special pricing through Stereophile? I am a subscriber to your mag and must say most of my 'Upgraditis noendus' is due to your publication. Enjoy reading your articles and wonder if there will be a review on the new Rotel Class D amps? Curious what your power and source choices are if you don't mind sharing

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 14:18 Thursday

Originally posted by miner

Kal,
Do you get special pricing through Stereophile?

Most reviewers can purchase most brands at accommodation pricing.

I am a subscriber to your mag and must say most of my 'Upgraditis noendus' is due to your publication.

My condolences.

Enjoy reading your articles and wonder if there will be a review on the new Rotel Class D amps?

Dunno.

Curious what your power and source choices are if you don't mind sharing

Appended to each review.

Kal

**DavidB** · 30 March 2006, 16:21 Thursday

Kal,

I'd be very interested to know why you went for the 802D as a centre channel and not the HTM1D? Surely that's what it's been specifically designed for? I have 802D's with an HTM2D.

David

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 18:04 Thursday

You can read my columns or Google my comments. Basically, I eschew most center speakers although the HTM1D is one of the best. However, since this is an audio only system, I prefer to have all the front channels' MF/HF drivers at the same level.

Kal

**RebelMan** · 30 March 2006, 18:54 Thursday

Welcome to the Club Kal! I loved reading your review of the 802D's. Having a live body on the forum makes what we read seem more real, i.e., alive. Curious, how did you find us? Are you a B&W fan too?

**Clepto** · 30 March 2006, 19:36 Thursday

I think Kal's stalking me! (;

**sikoniko** · 30 March 2006, 19:39 Thursday

not trying to be a party pooper... but you guys are getting off topic.

dont scare kal away with the star shock 20 questions! hes an enthusiast just like the rest of us. he just managed to figure out how to get paid to do it!

Welcome about Kal. Glad to see our favorite speakers reach out to more people, and it speaks highly of the new line when someone who has the ability to listen to many high end brands, chooses b&w.

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 20:04 Thursday

Originally posted by Clepto

I think Kal's stalking me! (;

Damn. Blew my cover. :E

Kal

**RebelMan** · 30 March 2006, 20:55 Thursday

Originally posted by sikoniko

not trying to be a party pooper... but you guys are getting off topic.

Party pooper! :lol: I don't think it hurt's to get to know the guy on a personal level. Besides it was only two questions. :P But I see your point.

**Clepto** · 30 March 2006, 21:10 Thursday

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson

So far, I have only used 2 of the channels on the Classe 3200 with the 2 N802Ds I have and I think that it is quite adequate in power. Sound quality is excellent.

Just heard that the shipper has the 3rd N802D and the 804s on the way! ;-)

Heh, the fact that your rears are what I hope to have as my fronts... in about 10 years... (;

Looking forward to hear how the setup sounds once you have everything hooked up to the 3200. What are you using to drive your rears, a 2200?

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 21:22 Thursday

Originally posted by Clepto

What are you using to drive your rears, a 2200?

Now, that's getting personal.

But the answer is no, the rear channel amps are Bel Canto, as are the alternate front channel amps.

Kal

**Karma** · 30 March 2006, 21:52 Thursday

HI Kal,
Welcome to the forum. Have read your reviews in Stereophile and enjoy them very much. I was sorry to see the mag move from Santa Fe since I live in Northern New Mexico and knew several reviewers personally. Does John still have his ARC SP-10? Dick Olsher lives about a mile from me and we have spent nice times auditioning equipment. I've known him for about 25 years.

Glad to have you aboard.

Sparky

**Kal Rubinson** · 30 March 2006, 22:01 Thursday

OT, of course. I have not yet been to John's house in Brooklyn although he has been to my Manhattan apartment and the CT house. (I suppose he's checking us out.) Perhaps it's the provincialism of metropolitan New Yorkers but many of us don't travel far without strong motivation. Restaurants more than 10-20 blocks away might just as well be in NJ, so far as I am concerned.

Kal

**krellfan** · 30 March 2006, 23:43 Thursday

Kal,

I assume you have sold yout Revel Studios. I have the Studios and the 802D and still can't decide which pair to keep. What finally made you decide on the 802D over the Studio?

**Kal Rubinson** · 31 March 2006, 12:46 Friday

Originally posted by krellfan

Kal,
I assume you have sold yout Revel Studios. I have the Studios and the 802D and still can't decide which pair to keep. What finally made you decide on the 802D over the Studio?

After dithering about it for months, I decided to make the change for change's sake. Could have gone either way but figured that it was a good idea to listen a little differently rather than get locked in.

Kal

**Indytown** · 03 April 2006, 21:42 Monday

Kal,

Of all the amps to use why the Bel Canto?

**Kal Rubinson** · 03 April 2006, 22:32 Monday

Originally posted by Indytown

Kal,
Of all the amps to use why the Bel Canto?

For the obvious reasons.

I also use Bel Cantos in the front, swapping in and out with the Classe.

Kal

**RebelMan** · 03 April 2006, 22:51 Monday

Originally posted by Kal Rubinson

I also use Bel Cantos in the front, swapping in and out with the Classe.

Please indulge me as I ask the following question. If you could only live with one or the other which would it be and why?

**Eliav** · 04 April 2006, 00:03 Tuesday

Originally posted by RebelMan

Please indulge me as I ask the following question. If you could only live with one or the other which would it be and why?

I bet you know what MY choice would be... :lol:
Eliav

**Kal Rubinson** · 04 April 2006, 10:10 Tuesday

Originally posted by RebelMan

Please indulge me as I ask the following question. If you could only live with one or the other which would it be and why?

Cannot indulge you as they are each the subject of an upcoming review. Sorry.

Kal

**Indytown** · 04 April 2006, 10:22 Tuesday

Kal,

Will you be reveiwing the new Bel Cantos with your 802D's and the Delta series amps? - Indy

**Kal Rubinson** · 04 April 2006, 11:20 Tuesday

Both the Bel Cantos and the Classe will be reviewed with the speakers on hand, of course, including the N802Ds.

Kal

**Indytown** · 04 April 2006, 12:37 Tuesday

Kal,

Sounds good looking forward to it, especially for the 802D. - Indy

**sikoniko** · 04 April 2006, 20:59 Tuesday

Kal,

have you listened to the nuforce ref9's yet?

**Kal Rubinson** · 04 April 2006, 22:03 Tuesday

Originally posted by sikoniko

Kal,
have you listened to the nuforce ref9's yet?

Nope but we've been talking.

Kal

**gerardhn** · 07 April 2006, 12:00 Friday

I dont understand this Nuforce fuzz...
Has anyone ever compared directly against an eg. integrated ML 383????
Nuforce no party/opponent at all.
Not one liga..but three liga differences
OK ML more expensive
BUt Nuforce driving 802d??????? Ok... you lose 50% of its potential...

**sikoniko** · 07 April 2006, 13:06 Friday

t Nuforce driving 802d??????? Ok... you lose 50% of its potential...

then biamp...

I have nuforce ref9's with my N802's and they sound fantastic!

Classe Electronics and 802d's

Classe Electronics and 802d's

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