HDMI 1.3a receivers coming out

**Pez** · 12 July 2007, 06:42 Thursday

There is a press release over at audioholics.com in which Denon announced 2 HDMI 1.3 receivers. The features on them is crazy, about the only they cant do is mow my lawn.

**aud19** · 12 July 2007, 11:30 Thursday

Originally posted by Pez

There is a press release over at audioholics.com in which Denon announced 2 HDMI 1.3 receivers. The features on them is crazy, about the only they cant do is mow my lawn.

They make coffee?!

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**Hdale85** · 12 July 2007, 11:45 Thursday

Unfortunately that Integra only has 2 HDMI inputs. I'm really interested in the new pre/pro they are releasing though.

**Blindamood** · 12 July 2007, 11:56 Thursday

Originally posted by Dougie085

Unfortunately that Integra only has 2 HDMI inputs. I'm really interested in the new pre/pro they are releasing though.

The unit shown above is one of the lower-end models. They have others coming out soon with more HDMI inputs.

**Sithlord** · 13 July 2007, 05:46 Friday

Well as good as these receivers are I'm waiting for the Pre-pro model 9.8 due out end of July 07. I was considering getting the SR-605 and using it as a pre-pro until I read about the 9.8. Bugger is that Australia isn't getting the 9.8 until sometime next year (maybe) which is why I will be seriously considering importing it from the US. I will be selling my Arcam AV8 pre-pro very soon. All we need now is a player capable of reading all the new audio formats so we can fully appreciate these new receivers/pre-pro.

**digital desire** · 13 July 2007, 20:18 Friday

I would love to be able to buy this *without* any internal amps, for less$$$$$$

Why is basically the same thing (pre/pro) the same or more $$ for less product?

**Hdale85** · 13 July 2007, 20:35 Friday

The 9.8 has more features then this one and is about twice as much. But for all the features and 1600 msrp I'd say its a good buy. Not to mention the deals you can get at a small shop.

**Pookie007** · 14 July 2007, 22:07 Saturday

Has anyone seen any info from other manufactures incorporating 1.3?

**deke** · 15 July 2007, 17:01 Sunday

Originally posted by digital desire

I would love to be able to buy this *without* any internal amps, for less$$$$$$

Why is basically the same thing (pre/pro) the same or more $$ for less product?

That bothers me also. Basically, it's just price discrimination - the manufacturers have segmented the markets into separates and receivers and have figured out that they can charge more (albeit for less product) on the separates side.

**Hdale85** · 15 July 2007, 20:23 Sunday

Well the 9.8 Is certainly not the same as the product above. Has a ton more features. And I believe that the simaler receiver is about the same price or slightly more.

**Ovation** · 15 July 2007, 21:51 Sunday

Originally posted by deke

That bothers me also. Basically, it's just price discrimination - the manufacturers have segmented the markets into separates and receivers and have figured out that they can charge more (albeit for less product) on the separates side.

There is also an economy of scale to consider, in some cases. Far fewer pre/pros are sold than receivers and it is easier to spread development costs over the receivers than the pre/pros. Volume at lower profit margins makes up the difference for receivers.

**Chris D** · 15 July 2007, 22:46 Sunday

You know... instead of buying HD-DVD and BD players with multichannel outputs, and a switching box for multichannels, I'm thinking, what if I just get an inexpensive 1.3 receiver? (as a different stopgap option since my processor doesn't accept HDMI audio)

I could even hook up my existing universal SACD/DVD-A player via multichannels to the 1.3 receiver's multichannel inputs. This way, the receiver would act as a switcher for the universal player over multichannels, and HD-DVD and BD players via HDMI. It would output everything as decoded high-res audio over the multichannel outputs, which I would then feed into my high-end processor.

The receiver thusly would also act as an HDMI video switcher to send to the projector.

**Pez** · 16 July 2007, 06:34 Monday

Originally posted by Chris D

You know... instead of buying HD-DVD and BD players with multichannel outputs, and a switching box for multichannels, I'm thinking, what if I just get an inexpensive 1.3 receiver? (as a different stopgap option since my processor doesn't accept HDMI audio)

I could even hook up my existing universal SACD/DVD-A player via multichannels to the 1.3 receiver's multichannel inputs. This way, the receiver would act as a switcher for the universal player over multichannels, and HD-DVD and BD players via HDMI. It would output everything as decoded high-res audio over the multichannel outputs, which I would then feed into my high-end processor.

The receiver thusly would also act as an HDMI video switcher to send to the projector.

Ya know Chris, that seems like a very good idea. I think I am going to consider this route.

**Jack Gilvey** · 16 July 2007, 09:28 Monday

The Onkyo 605 has been out a while now. It happens to be HDMI 1.3, but doesn't really do anything different from a decent 1.1 receiver on the audio side (true for 1.3 in general).

**Blindamood** · 16 July 2007, 09:39 Monday

Yeah, there are basically two ways to go at this point in time; either get a new receiver that provides the latest features, or some sort of switcher to augment your current processor. (Or a third, I guess...do nothing.

)

I considered the newer receivers, but am quite happy with my processor/amp setup (Rotel). So I personally think it would be a step backward to return to a receiver as pre-pro setup. I opted for the Zektor MAS7.1 switcher, which provides both analog audio and HDMI video switching.

I'd like to give the new technology time to settle out, rather than jumping on the first promising new receiver that comes along. Eventually the higher-end companies will come out with the newer connections, codecs, etc., so maybe an a couple of years I'll reconsider. But for now, I'm happy with what I've got!

**Andrew M Ward** · 16 July 2007, 11:18 Monday

Originally posted by Jack Gilvey

The Onkyo 605 has been out a while now. It happens to be HDMI 1.3, but doesn't really do anything different from a decent 1.1 receiver on the audio side (true for 1.3 in general).

There seem to be quite a few 1.3 HDMI devices out there that are really just 1.2 yet say they are 1.3

Kinda like all those 1080p Flat panels in 2006 that were not and never will be 1080p (but right on the box it says 1080p)

it should say on the box:
"HDMI 1.3 you can't prove it isn't"

**Jack Gilvey** · 16 July 2007, 12:10 Monday

Well, I have no doubt it's 1.3, it's just that 1.3 doesn't really matter much. "Deep Color" isn't supported by HD DVD or BD, and decoding of DTS-HD and TrueHD is done just as well by the player and sent as LPCM via HDMI. This is not the same as early DVD players with their 6 analog-outs.
You're right about proof, though, as there aren't players out now that can even send TrueHD or DTS HD out as a bitstream to be decoded anyway. It's likely many, if not most, titles will require player decoding due anyway to advanced authoring.

**digital desire** · 16 July 2007, 20:32 Monday

Won't 1.3 solve the lip sync issues that show up from time to time?

My new toshiba hl67 boast's lip sync support. I would like that feature more than anything else.

BTW, can't find *ANYTHING* about lip sync support in the destructions, other than it mentions it in the specs.

**Jack Gilvey** · 17 July 2007, 06:34 Tuesday

Won't 1.3 solve the lip sync issues that show up from time to time?

It might help if player, receiver, and display are all 1.3 and implement this optional feature.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10954859&&#post10954859

(The first post in that thread has a fantastic synopsis by BobP on what 1.3 will and won't do. Basically, there's really no reason to avoid it, but 1.3 isn't a reason to upgrade if you've got a good HDMI 1.1 receiver.)

**maseline_98** · 25 July 2007, 09:53 Wednesday

Originally posted by Dougie085

Unfortunately that Integra only has 2 HDMI inputs. I'm really interested in the new pre/pro they are releasing though.

I was thinking that same thing.... the new Sony STR-DA5300ES has 6...That's what I'm waiting for(not so much for sony, but 6+ HDMI inputs).

**Ovation** · 25 July 2007, 14:37 Wednesday

Denon announced a whole slew of 1.3a receivers as well as two Blu-Ray players. No word on HD DVD.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 04 August 2007, 12:55 Saturday

Why you do not need HDMI 1.3, because HDMI 1.4 came out? It is a silly argument by people who need to justify their past purchases. Technology moves forward, get use to it :T

Also, we don't know if DTS-MA will be decoded in the Player as it is in the Prepro yet. Again, you will need a player that has HDMI 1.3

**littlesaint** · 04 August 2007, 13:47 Saturday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

Why you do not need HDMI 1.3, because HDMI 1.4 came out? It is a silly argument by people who need to justify their past purchases. Technology moves forward, get use to it :T

Also, we don't know if DTS-MA will be decoded in the Player as it is in the Prepro yet. Again, you will need a player that has HDMI 1.3

You don't need it because for HD-DVD, it is mandatory for the player to decode HD Audio, and once BD adds secondary audio, they will probably follow suit. There is no difference in the final audio whether it is decoded in player, or in the receiver. The resulting PCM is exactly the same. Even Dolby states that including these codecs in a receiver is a waste of resources.

404 - Dolby

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

"To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms. In addition, it will be necessary to select HD discs in which the content maker has permitted the core 5.1 or 7.1 audio bitstreams to bypass the player’s mixing process and be sent directly to the digital outputs of the player. We expect that certain HD discs will permit this, but they may represent a minority of titles. In the end, the sound quality will be essentially the same as that of audio decoded within the player as PCM signals and transported through a current-generation HDMI connection to the A/V receiver.

With six or eight channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio to handle from these new HD formats, the post-processing DSP requirements for an A/V receiver more than double. Rather than devoting the considerable DSP resources to decoding the core audio signals within the A/V processor itself, it may be more fruitful to use the A/V processor’s DSP resources to perform high-resolution post-processing such as bass management, room or speaker equalization, Dolby Pro Logic® IIx decoding, or other types of digital signal processing."

Not only is HDMI 1.3 unnecessary, it is a completely useless at this time unless you have a display that supports its Lip Sync feature. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 04 August 2007, 19:21 Saturday

Originally posted by littlesaint

You don't need it because for HD-DVD, it is mandatory for the player to decode HD Audio, and once BD adds secondary audio, they will probably follow suit. There is no difference in the final audio whether it is decoded in player, or in the receiver. The resulting PCM is exactly the same. Even Dolby states that including these codecs in a receiver is a waste of resources.

404 - Dolby

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

"To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms. In addition, it will be necessary to select HD discs in which the content maker has permitted the core 5.1 or 7.1 audio bitstreams to bypass the player’s mixing process and be sent directly to the digital outputs of the player. We expect that certain HD discs will permit this, but they may represent a minority of titles. In the end, the sound quality will be essentially the same as that of audio decoded within the player as PCM signals and transported through a current-generation HDMI connection to the A/V receiver.

With six or eight channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio to handle from these new HD formats, the post-processing DSP requirements for an A/V receiver more than double. Rather than devoting the considerable DSP resources to decoding the core audio signals within the A/V processor itself, it may be more fruitful to use the A/V processor’s DSP resources to perform high-resolution post-processing such as bass management, room or speaker equalization, Dolby Pro Logic® IIx decoding, or other types of digital signal processing."

Not only is HDMI 1.3 unnecessary, it is a completely useless at this time unless you have a display that supports its Lip Sync feature. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick to get people to upgrade.

WOW....you took allot of time to type all that information that I have read 500 times..... We are talking about DTS-MA...not Dolby. So far the only product that can decode it is the new 1.3 HDMI Receivers, but, you need a HDMI 1.3 compliant Player to do this, which we have not seen, which means until the players come out we do not know if the Players will do the Dts-MA decoding. But the only gimmick is some one telling you not to buy a new receiver/prepro because it has 1.3. There is no gimmick in 1.3, the only reason someone would tell you not to buy is because the product they sell doesn’t have 1.3! 1.3 does everything that the Legacy HDMI does. It is up to the manufacturers to implement features.

If I had purchased a 1.2 HDMI receiver in the past, I would not be happy with the price I paid for the feature set. That is why I bought my AVR-7300. It was a stop gap measure. I wanted 7.1 PCM, 4 HDMI inputs and more feature options then was offered at the time. By waiting, also get the much lower price with some decent video enhancement.

If I had a just purchased one of these Receivers in the last 2 years, I wouldn't upgrade it either. I would just be suck with it. But that’s ok….Technology moves on

**littlesaint** · 04 August 2007, 21:40 Saturday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

WOW....you took allot of time to type all that information that I have read 500 times..... We are talking about DTS-MA...not Dolby. So far the only product that can decode it is the new 1.3 HDMI Receivers, but, you need a HDMI 1.3 compliant Player to do this, which we have not seen, which means until the players come out we do not know if the Players will do the Dts-MA decoding. But the only gimmick is some one telling you not to buy a new receiver/prepro because it has 1.3. There is no gimmick in 1.3, the only reason someone would tell you not to buy is because the product they sell doesn’t have 1.3! 1.3 does everything that the Legacy HDMI does. It is up to the manufacturers to implement features.

If I had purchased a 1.2 HDMI receiver in the past, I would not be happy with the price I paid for the feature set. That is why I bought my AVR-7300. It was a stop gap measure. I wanted 7.1 PCM, 4 HDMI inputs and more feature options then was offered at the time. By waiting, also get the much lower price with some decent video enhancement.

If I had a just purchased one of these Receivers in the last 2 years, I wouldn't upgrade it either. I would just be suck with it. But that’s ok….Technology moves on

The chipsets in the current players support DTS-HD MA, so it is just a matter of enabling it in firmware. DTS-HD MA is no different than TrueHD or PCM once decoded, so I don't see what the big deal is. And as stated, if the disc is Advanced Authored for interactive content, it doesn't matter what version of HDMI you have because the audio has to be decoded in the player. I didn't say don't buy a new receiver because it has HDMI 1.3. However, HDMI 1.3 is useless right now, and there is no indication any of it's features will be used in the near future, so if you're buying a new receiver, all you need is HDMI 1.1 and the abilty to process multichannel PCM over HDMI. If you base a new pruchase solely on HDMI 1.3, you're wasting your money. I own an Onkyo 605 (1.3) and a Yamaha v661 (1.2) and the Yamaha is much, much better than the 605 at the same price. All of those 1.3 features Onkyo promotes...useless.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 05 August 2007, 11:31 Sunday

Yamaha v661

Originally posted by littlesaint

The chipsets in the current players support DTS-HD MA, so it is just a matter of enabling it in firmware. DTS-HD MA is no different than TrueHD or PCM once decoded, so I don't see what the big deal is. And as stated, if the disc is Advanced Authored for interactive content, it doesn't matter what version of HDMI you have because the audio has to be decoded in the player. I didn't say don't buy a new receiver because it has HDMI 1.3. However, HDMI 1.3 is useless right now, and there is no indication any of it's features will be used in the near future, so if you're buying a new receiver, all you need is HDMI 1.1 and the abilty to process multichannel PCM over HDMI. If you base a new pruchase solely on HDMI 1.3, you're wasting your money. I own an Onkyo 605 (1.3) and a Yamaha v661 (1.2) and the Yamaha is much, much better than the 605 at the same price. All of those 1.3 features Onkyo promotes...useless.

It is silly for anyone to base their purchase on anything other then sound quality...then features.

My original Quote:
"Why you do not need HDMI 1.3, because HDMI 1.4 came out? It is a silly argument by people who need to justify their past purchases. Technology moves forward, get use to it"

Your quote above:
"I own an Onkyo 605 (1.3) and a Yamaha v661 (1.2) and the Yamaha is much, much better than the 605 at the same price."

Looks to me that you are pimping Yamaha.... Yamaha is much better? These have different feature sets and you didn't mention "SOUND QUALITY" Better????? Again, someone always trying to sell you something....their own past purchase or selling you their Product.

I want good DAC's, (4) HDMI inputs, decent video processing, Sirius Satellite, Rackmount, XLR I/O, Possibly the ability to use Audyssey Pro EQ Software (but someone is trying to sell me on this, I will wait for the demo) and a few other things, but Sound Quality is First.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 05 August 2007, 12:24 Sunday

Little,

forgot to ask....when did you buy your Yamaha v661?

**Jack Gilvey** · 07 August 2007, 06:35 Tuesday

If you base a new pruchase solely on HDMI 1.3, you're wasting your money. I own an Onkyo 605 (1.3) and a Yamaha v661 (1.2) and the Yamaha is much, much better than the 605 at the same price. All of those 1.3 features Onkyo promotes...useless.

I think the key is to look at the actual capabilities and not decide solely based on 1.3 marketing, many of the features of which are optional. In the above example, I'd agree the 661 is the better choice based on the way it handles an LPCM input (at least for 7.1 systems). Decoders in a receiver aren't all that important if you know how it works, what decoding is, and how it's different from older MC analog-out DVD players.
And of course, with regard to current formats, Deep Color is nothing to worry about.
No reason to avoid 1.3 (a), though, if it does what you want. And you'll have the latest and greatest for a little while.

**littlesaint** · 07 August 2007, 07:19 Tuesday

Originally posted by Jack Gilvey

I think the key is to look at the actual capabilities and not decide solely based on 1.3 marketing, many of the features of which are optional. In the above example, I'd agree the 661 is the better choice based on the way it handles an LPCM input (at least for 7.1 systems). Decoders in a receiver aren't all that important if you know how it works, what decoding is, and how it's different from older MC analog-out DVD players.
And of course, with regard to current formats, Deep Color is nothing to worry about.
No reason to avoid 1.3 (a), though, if it does what you want. And you'll have the latest and greatest for a little while.

Completely agree. HDMI 1.3 isn't a bad thing to have, I just don't think it should be a deal breaker at this point. Even if I had a player that did output encoded HD Audio (as Toshiba's 3rd gen may), it still wouldn't be a deal breaker yet since the player would still be capable of doing the decoding. Once Deep Color finds its way into the source material and displays, I'm on board for that as well, but right now, it's just not there.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 07 August 2007, 19:24 Tuesday

You guys never mentioned Sound Quality. That is the most important Functionality...or do you disagree.

1.3 HDMI yes, I would rather have it for the future....worse case I get functionality of 1.2/1.1 HDMI, If I buy 1.2 then there is no possibility of upgraded functionality. With a new receiver I get more HDMI inputs and outputs, Video Processing, less cost, more.

But I want better sound quality! 1.3 is a red Hearing... Again this argument is for people who a) Sells product doesn’t have HDMI 1.3 and they want to make it a marketing issue by saying its worthless, bad or a lie, or 2) because a person needs to justify their past purchase.

My next Receiver or Prepro better last me 6 years, but we will see.

When did you buy your Yamaha v661?

WOW...I guess when you mention "Sound Quality" it's a buzz kill... but let's talk about connectors

**Jack Gilvey** · 08 August 2007, 06:38 Wednesday

Completely agree. HDMI 1.3 isn't a bad thing to have, I just don't think it should be a deal breaker at this point. Even if I had a player that did output encoded HD Audio (as Toshiba's 3rd gen may), it still wouldn't be a deal breaker yet since the player would still be capable of doing the decoding.

Yeah, proper handling of a 7.1 LPCM input is what's really needed for "HD" audio. Many already have what they need and don't know it. Even choosing among 1.3 receivers you've got to look at what they actually do and not just buy the marketing or misinformed posts.

**kingpin** · 08 August 2007, 14:55 Wednesday

How about the Yamaha RX-Z11///11.2 channels

Here are the main features.

11.2 surround system
140W x 7 (main channels)

50W x 4 (height presence channels)
HDMI 1.3a supports native Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio
10-bit and 12-bit per channel Deep Color & xvYCC
120Hz and 24Hz refresh rates with auto lip-sync
5 HDMI inputs (1 on front panel), 2 HDMI outputs
Analog to HDMI 1080p upscaling
HDMI Audio upconversion (takes analogue or digital audio and video and outputs over HDMI
Network playback of music (MP3, WMA, WAV and AAC files) stored on a PC or NAS drive
Internet radio with MP3 support
Functions as optional MusicCAST client
Two USB inputs (one front, one rear) for playback of MP3, WMA, WAV and AAC audio files from a portable player or USB drive
HD Radio
XM Radio with HD Surround support
Compressed Music Enhancer technology

YPAO with multi-point measurement (up to 8 positions)
10 listening settings for the main zone, and four for each additional zone
iPod docking station compatible (optional Yamaha YDS-10; SRP $99.95) which functions with receiver remote

Looks interesting.
link:http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/r...z11-first-look
link:http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...9&CTID=5000300

Mike

**littlesaint** · 08 August 2007, 15:46 Wednesday

Originally posted by Jack Gilvey

Yeah, proper handling of a 7.1 LPCM input is what's really needed for "HD" audio. Many already have what they need and don't know it. Even choosing among 1.3 receivers you've got to look at what they actually do and not just buy the marketing or misinformed posts.

7.1 is alright, but also not a deal breaker as long as you can apply PLIIx to the 5.1 PCM. Most soundtracks are mixed as 5.1 and some as 6.1. To get to 7.1 they apply the same processing your DSP at home does, so I'd be fine with 5.1 and let my pre/pro do the rest.

**Jack Gilvey** · 08 August 2007, 16:20 Wednesday

Originally posted by littlesaint

7.1 is alright, but also not a deal breaker as long as you can apply PLIIx to the 5.1 PCM. Most soundtracks are mixed as 5.1 and some as 6.1. To get to 7.1 they apply the same processing your DSP at home does, so I'd be fine with 5.1 and let my pre/pro do the rest.

Yeah, the matrixing into 7.1 is more important than actually handling the 1 or 2 7.1 tracks out right now. That's what I mean by "properly handling" an LPCM input, some (including the 1.3 Onkyo 605) don't do this.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 08 August 2007, 20:45 Wednesday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

You guys never mentioned Sound Quality. That is the most important Functionality...or do you disagree.

1.3 HDMI yes, I would rather have it for the future....worse case I get functionality of 1.2/1.1 HDMI, If I buy 1.2 then there is no possibility of upgraded functionality. With a new receiver I get more HDMI inputs and outputs, Video Processing, less cost, more.

But I want better sound quality! 1.3 is a red Hearing... Again this argument is for people who a) Sells product doesn’t have HDMI 1.3 and they want to make it a marketing issue by saying its worthless, bad or a lie, or 2) because a person needs to justify their past purchase.

My next Receiver or Prepro better last me 6 years, but we will see.

When did you buy your Yamaha v661?

WOW...I guess when you mention "Sound Quality" it's a buzz kill... but let's talk about connectors

WOW...I guess when you mention "Sound Quality" it's a buzz kill... but let's talk about connectors or the v661 :T

**Chris D** · 09 August 2007, 04:09 Thursday

Wow, Mike, yeah, that looks pretty cool.

**littlesaint** · 09 August 2007, 08:05 Thursday

Originally posted by B&W 700 Guy

WOW...I guess when you mention "Sound Quality" it's a buzz kill... but let's talk about connectors or the v661 :T

Sorry, I missed that post.

The v661 is a bit of a story. I originally picked up an Onkyo 605 when I bought my Toshiba XA2. I was able to get both for ~$900.00. Then I began to realize the short comings of the 605 (no analog out, no PLIIx on MCh PCM, no 12v trigger, etc.). Not major shortcomings as it is a solid receiver for its price, but major for me. So after looking around, I found the V661 for about what I paid for the Onkyo. IMO the v661 is a much better product at this price. It includes what I was missing in the 605, plus I think the D->A and build quality is better as well. And you get all those cool but useless Yammy DSP settings. :T

Right now I use it strictly as a pre/pro connected to an Emotiva LPA-1 amp. I'm demoing the Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro this weekend. The LMC-1 will probably have better sonic quality, but it does not support HDMI audio, so it's analog inputs for my XA2 (and all the issues that entails), and no HDMI for DVD-A or SACD. I'll probably end up keeping the v661 as my HT pre/pro for these reasons and move the LMC-1 to my office. At least until the LMC-2 comes out early next year which will be HDMI 1.3 compliant.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 10 August 2007, 08:30 Friday

Again.....wow, sound quality, what a buzz kill :roll:

**Jack Gilvey** · 11 August 2007, 12:03 Saturday

I'll probably end up keeping the v661 as my HT pre/pro for these reasons and move the LMC-1 to my office.

Cool. The 661 is the cheapest HDMI "preamp" I can think of that's as flexible with LPCM input. Supposedly the same DACs as the much more expensive 2700. And it's got those bonus amps in case you need 'em.

Mine had HDCP issues with my projector, not sure which was at fault. I may try another one, it was great while I had it.

**Jack Gilvey** · 14 August 2007, 06:49 Tuesday

Here's a new article on 1.3 "myths", kinda puts together what what's been hashed out for a while now on the forums. I think people are catching on to what they can actually expect.

4k Movie, Streaming, Blu-Ray Disc, and Home Theater Product Reviews & News | High Def Digest

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/High-Def_FAQ/High-Def_FAQ:_Is_HDMI_1.3_Really_Necessary/853

**Martyn** · 14 August 2007, 14:19 Tuesday

Jack, thank you for posting that excellent link. One of the most valuable benefits of internet discussion fora is their potential for helping the individual consumer to cut through the fog of technobabble and misinformation created by marketing departments. It can cut both ways, of course, but on balance we're better off for them.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 23 August 2007, 19:33 Thursday

OH....DID SOMEONE SPEAK OF SOUND QUALITY....no, I will go back to sleep.

**Jack Gilvey** · 24 August 2007, 07:06 Friday

Originally posted by Martyn

Jack, thank you for posting that excellent link. One of the most valuable benefits of internet discussion fora is their potential for helping the individual consumer to cut through the fog of technobabble and misinformation created by marketing departments. It can cut both ways, of course, but on balance we're better off for them.

Sure thing...agreed they can be very helpful. You've still got people who don't grasp how these new formats work and draw erroneous conclusions based on old concepts. I guess the main point is that there are lots of reasons to choose a receiver, 1.3 doesn't necessarily guarantee much.

**B&W 700 Guy** · 14 September 2007, 21:43 Friday

Like DTSHD-MA must be decoded from the Receiver/prepro :T well for now it does

HDMI 1.3a receivers coming out

HDMI 1.3a receivers coming out

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