Monitor Statements Positioning Newb Question

[Okydoky]

I am in the process of the preliminary planning for a home theatre room.
And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to place the Centre, Left and Right speakers behind an Acoustically Transparent Screen.

I am looking at Building 3 Monitor Statements for those 3 speakers, but I am now worried the placement for them, will not work - I am unfortunately not sure and am looking for advice.

Below is what the top view would look like.



Thanks for any input.

[Jim Holtz]

I am in the process of the preliminary planning for a home theatre room.
And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to place the Centre, Left and Right speakers behind an Acoustically Transparent Screen.

I am looking at Building 3 Monitor Statements for those 3 speakers, but I am now worried the placement for them, will not work - I am unfortunately not sure and am looking for advice.

Below is what the top view would look like.



Thanks for any input.

Sorry, but your positioning of the speakers is the same as placing them in a cave. I can't recommend any of the Statements series speakers for your situation.

Jim

[Okydoky]

Thanks, it's what I feared.


The only other option available if I went with the speakers behind the screen would be to have almost nothing behind the speakers. Since behind it is a tall 5'10 tall "crawl" space.


I may have to look at another speaker design entirely...
or rethink the behind the screen option...

[dsrviola]

Your "Acoustically Transparent Screen" is a fine idea, but you should give the speakers (ANY standard box speaker) more room to breath. I don't know if this 62"x roughly 20 "cave" already exists, but if it doesn't it would make a lot more sense to keep the (full width) front wall intact and just make the screen a false wall instead. Either that, or skip the screen and use speakers that were designed to be in/on wall speakers.

[dsrviola]

I see that we posted our replies at about the same time. Sorry I didn't see yours first.

Even in the second diagram, you still may want to either broaden that opening, turn those short walls into round posts/pillars (less obtrusive acoustically - they'd act as diffusors) and/or put acoustic damping treatment on the edge of that wall that the speakers see (yes, even at 90 degrees.)

[AdelaaR]

I can see how it would make sense to place the center behind an acoustically transparant screen ... in fact placing it in the middle behind the screen would be ideal, but not the mains.
In your design the mains would only be apart by about 50 inches and mains aren't supposed to be close together like that.
Ask yourself the question: why do I want everything behind the screen?
If the answer is: "because it will look nice and tidy and modern" ... I think you're on the wrong track here and you're possibly making too hard of a compromise.
Many questions yet remain unanswered.
Will you be using this room for HT only or also for audiophile stereo music listening?
How wide is your room?
How far will you be from the screen?

[Okydoky]

Thanks Guys you have made me think.

A little more Info.
Nothing is build yet - It's currently an unfinished basement. The only thing set in stone is how much Room I am going to be allowed to have
This is purely for for Home Theatre Use. No music listening planned.
Viewing distance will be about 10 to 11 Feet, with the Screen sizes being considered being about 92" or 106".

I have about 2 or 3 feet of Space on each side of the Screen. Though on One side there will sadly be a Door. So not very usable wall space.

Two Options I am contemplating are:

- Change Speakers I am Looking Entirely: And go with 3 In-Khan-Neatos (or Similar)
This would mean the Centre Behind the screen, and the L and R Just beside the screen in the wall or behind the screen still similar to this: https://htguide.com/forum/showpost.p...&postcount=101

- Find an in wall vertical speaker to use as a centre that would work well with with Monitor Statement ( or MiniStatements) properly positioned on the sides. Assuming the Statements would work all right with a solid Wooden door (or any other type of door if preferable ) behind it.

[fbov]

Actually, your link looks like what I would suggest - building in-wall speakers directly into the false wall behind the screen, instead of standing them in an alcove which does all sorts of odd things to the speaker's output. Granted, Statements are a free-standing design, to they'd be out of the running. If you like that line's sound, I recall smaller versions that might work well. Jim H would know.

HAve fun,
Frank

[BeerParty]

If you want to have all your speakers hidden, instead of just an acoustically transparent screen you need to think in terms of an acoustically transparent wall. That is, you would build a regular wall in the front of your theater, then you would build an entire screen wall in front of your original wall that has an acoustically transparent screen and acoustically transparent material (on very minimal frames) around it. Then your center would go behind the screen and your left/right would go behind the acoustically transparent (typically black) material on either side of the screen.

If you want to see an example of what I am talking about, I suggest you look at BigMouthInDC' screen wall upgrade, it starts at post #1116 of his build thread over at AVS. This link should get you to the right page.

Edit: Make sure you read ahead at least a couple of pages, he starts talking about it on post #1116 but he actually gets into details (with pictures) of how he did it in post #1145.

[BusbyGT]

To kind of continue this topic some, I finished my build of the Mini Statements and Center over a year ago and do what I can for alignment because I live in an apartment. They still sound amazing and am glad that I took the plunge but it is possible they could get even better with the right environment.

Now, I'm going to be purchasing a house soon and am hoping to have the ability to do a dedicated theater room (Priorities, right? ). The idea of a projector with a screen is highly appealing. "Hiding" the speakers is also appealing if possible.

If I have a full length false wall with the speakers being behind the wall with proper spacing around it, would the mini statements still be able to function as intended?



The gray bar would be the false wall aka minimally framed and acoustically transparent. Obviously since I don't actually have the space yet, lets assume that the total length of the wall is like a normal bedroom wall (I'd say maybe 10-15 feet or longer).

In another direction, if you have a wall length of 15 feet or longer, can you enclose 1 or 2 feet on each side to create a cave-like cavity which could still give adequate room for the speakers to operate in?

Debating about build 3 monitors for my rear stage at some point, but for now, not really thinking about that.

[Jim Holtz]

In another direction, if you have a wall length of 15 feet or longer, can you enclose 1 or 2 feet on each side to create a cave-like cavity which could still give adequate room for the speakers to operate in?

The cave idea isn't a good one but the false wall would be fine as long as the proper breathing room is provided for each speaker.

Jim

[Okydoky]

Seems the False wall is the best way to go.
Allows me to use the speaker design I want with positioning I want

How much room on the side of each of the Monitor Statements (Or MiniStatements) is recommended? I believe I remember reading 18 Inches?
And Would you recommend we put Dampening material on the Side Walls behind the Screen or not?

Example:

[Jim Holtz]

Seems the False wall is the best way to go.
Allows me to use the speaker design I want with positioning I want

How much room on the side of each of the Monitor Statements (Or MiniStatements) is recommended? I believe I remember reading 18 Inches?
And Would you recommend we put Dampening material on the Side Walls behind the Screen or not?

Example:

I have 18" clearance on the wall side of my Statements and it works fine. However, they're very open on the inside of each Statement so the sound can blend as designed.

I just have sheet rocked walls without sound treatment. I'd encourage you to experiment and let us know what you think.

Jim