Samsung Vs Sony RPTV

[maseline_98]

I've been trying to decide between these 2 models(or maybe something better)

HL-S6187W vs KDSR60XBR1

The samsung is about 1K less than the sony, but the sony gets such great reviews. It's hard to cough, cough up 4K for a TV though. I've never even bought a car that was that expensive...LOL...

I've also looked at the 50" models of both of these. Currently I'm running a Sanyo 30" WS Tube that I got from walmart, but I just bought a house and that is just not going to cut it!

Let me know what you think...I've also considered the Westinghouse 47" LCD, but I've heard mixed reviews on that.

I just need something that will be able to run my upcoming PS3/Blu-Ray/HD-DVDs at their full potential....

[aud19]

That's a tough call..... the new Sammy's look pretty good and as you mentioned earlier it is cheaper than the Sony so if budget is a consideration.....

That said I might be tempted to wait to see what the new Sammy, LED units look like when they arrive in the next month or two (though buying first gen tech can be a little scary... and they're set to be a bit more expensive than the bulb unit you're looking at)

To my eyes, the Sony's the best looking digital display around (though I still prefer a quality CRT RPTV ) but as you mentioned they do come at a premium. Next generation units are expected shotrly which could offer discounted prices on any "old" stock left.

[peterS]

I've been trying to decide between these 2 models(or maybe something better)

HL-S6187W vs KDSR60XBR1

The samsung is about 1K less than the sony, but the sony gets such great reviews. It's hard to cough, cough up 4K for a TV though. I've never even bought a car that was that expensive...LOL...

I've also looked at the 50" models of both of these. Currently I'm running a Sanyo 30" WS Tube that I got from walmart, but I just bought a house and that is just not going to cut it!

Let me know what you think...I've also considered the Westinghouse 47" LCD, but I've heard mixed reviews on that.

I just need something that will be able to run my upcoming PS3/Blu-Ray/HD-DVDs at their full potential....

the samsung uses wobulation and consistently looks worse than its 720p counterpart...i wanted to cry when people bought it.... the same is true for that westinghous POS

wait for the new sxrd anyways... a few more weeks/months will buy you a lot more

[aud19]

Oh it's a wobulated model? Yeah, look at the 720p models or the next gen SXRD and as Peter said the Westinghouse is a waste of time IMO.

There is always those CRT's I mentioned :W

[Snap]

The XBR1 also has those silly "ear looking" speakers. I think they make the set look stupid. The PQ is great on both sets. The New SXRD has speakers on the bottom, and rumor has it from the Sony rep that they are going to be all black. Price point is going to be close to the SXRD, maybe even less. That is TBD.

I have not seen any problems with the Samsung like the other posters are saying, but that is just me.

[maseline_98]

Does anybody know when the new SXRD will be out? I move into my house on 7/31 and kinda wanted something new, but don't want to waste $$$ on old technology(especially when it will be dropped in price when the new stuff comes out anyway). Also, you say CRT, what models are you talking about?

[aud19]

Most of the new TV models usually come out in August-September, I would expect the new SXRD's in that time frame.

As for CRT, I only ever recommend Hitachi or Mitsubishi :T They have models from 51"-65" which looks like about the size you were looking at. However, it seems like you might have the room for a bigger set... I HIGHLY recommend the Mitsubishi WS-73517 : 73" set with stunning 9" CRT's. There's not alot out there that will best it's PQ after calibration. They are GORGEOUS to look at!! :P :P :yesnod: Of course even they start to get up there in price....

[peterS]

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_55to80TVs&Dept=tvvideo

cheaper and available

[maseline_98]

I think maybe a 73" might be a little excessive(dare I say it)...lol...but I'll definately look into it. My buddy has a Hitachi and I really like the picture(but sometimes it's too dark and SD programming looks like crap on it)

[aud19]

I think maybe a 73" might be a little excessive(dare I say it)...lol...but I'll definately look into it. My buddy has a Hitachi and I really like the picture(but sometimes it's too dark and SD programming looks like crap on it)

Does he have it calibrated? Once all the "features" :roll: like VSM etc are turned off and the colour, contrast etc are properly set it should look decent (as decent as SD can look anyways :lol: )

[maseline_98]

Oh...I have no idea...the 60" SXRD is $3500 at CC....how do the DLP sets compare to these? I was looking at the Samsung HL-S5087W($2800), but there are concerns of wobulation....

Also looked at Mits WD-52631 DLP, but there are no reviews on it.

Also this Gem: Hitachi 57F59A CRT-->it's only $1200!!!, but it only does 1080i. How will I hook up my PS3/Blu-Ray or will it just down-convert that picture?

[aud19]

Oh...I have no idea...the 60" SXRD is $3500 at CC....how do the DLP sets compare to these? I was looking at the Samsung HL-S5087W($2800), but there are concerns of wobulation....

Also looked at Mits WD-52631 DLP, but there are no reviews on it.

Also this Gem: Hitachi 57F59A CRT-->it's only $1200!!!, but it only does 1080i. How will I hook up my PS3/Blu-Ray or will it just down-convert that picture?

If you can afford it I'd go with the SXRD over DLP. If money's a bit tighter, get one of the Samsung 720p DLP models. (I have yet to like any competitors DLP better than Samsung's...so I wouldn't likely recommend the Mits DLP)) If you want the best PQ for the least money get a Hitachi or Mitsubishi CRT while you still can and get it ISF calibrated :T

The CRT's will convert to 1080i but depending on the "1080p" display or source they may only be sending or recieving a 1080i signal anyway.... beisdes there's more to overall PQ than just resolutions

[maseline_98]

I think I'm going to get the Hitachi 57" I've been reading reviews on it and for the size and price...it seems like a steal!!!!....

Maybe I'll just wait for 1080P to develope a little more before jumping to that realm.

[aud19]

Make sure yuu get it ISF calibrated by a certified tech in your area...and good choice! :T

http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm

[maseline_98]

Make sure yuu get it ISF calibrated by a certified tech in your area...and good choice! :T

http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm

How much does something like this cost? I was on AVS and people have posted their settings....Thanks for your help(btw!)

[aud19]

$300 and up depending on how much work needs doing but it's TOTALLY worth it to get every last drop of performance out of your set :T Still a hell of a lot cheaper even with the cost of the TV than the other sets you're looking at

...and your welcome, we're glad to help :T

[aud19]

BTW I have about a 3 year old 51" Hitachi set with gorgeious PQ and not a lick of a problem (knock on wood).

[maseline_98]

Dang...Just called the only one in Pittsburgh and they don't do ISF anymore... :\

[aud19]

None of these companies in nearby towns?

Audio Images Stereo, Inc. Whitehall
Audio Video Consultants, Inc. West Chester
AudioLab Stereo & Video Center Fairless Hills
Avical Includes profile of services offered
Bret Schwartz/TechLogic Philadelphia Includes profile of services offered
Digital Vortex Pottstown
Elements Audio/Video Wyomissing
Enhanced Audio & Video Lebanon
GNT Audio Video Systems Lancaster
Goosebumps, Inc. McMurray
Hastings Enterprise Springfield
Integrated Home Consulting Nazareth
Let's Make Music Pittsburgh
Spencer Sight & Sound, Inc. Telford Includes profile of services offered
Tri-State Logic Systems Leesport
Video Perfection Easton Includes profile of services offered
Wesley Enterprises New Cumberland
World Wide Stereo Montgomeryville

[maseline_98]

None of these companies in nearby towns?

Audio Images Stereo, Inc. Whitehall
Audio Video Consultants, Inc. West Chester
AudioLab Stereo & Video Center Fairless Hills
Avical Includes profile of services offered
Bret Schwartz/TechLogic Philadelphia Includes profile of services offered
Digital Vortex Pottstown
Elements Audio/Video Wyomissing
Enhanced Audio & Video Lebanon
GNT Audio Video Systems Lancaster
Goosebumps, Inc. McMurray
Hastings Enterprise Springfield
Integrated Home Consulting Nazareth
Let's Make Music Pittsburgh
Spencer Sight & Sound, Inc. Telford Includes profile of services offered
Tri-State Logic Systems Leesport
Video Perfection Easton Includes profile of services offered
Wesley Enterprises New Cumberland
World Wide Stereo Montgomeryville

Goosebumps is the next closet and is about 70 miles from me...but they didn't pick up when I called them....

[aud19]

There are a few ISF guys who travel around as well....perhaps you can get in touch with them....?

[maseline_98]

wow...I went to CC today and saw the Sony 50" SXRD...that PQ is amazing...I also saw the hitachi, but was less impressed(i'm sure these were due to configuration).

[peterS]

wow...I went to CC today and saw the Sony 50" SXRD...that PQ is amazing...I also saw the hitachi, but was less impressed(i'm sure these were due to configuration).

or double the pixels...

[aud19]

or double the pixels...

Seen as how the Hitachi has no pixels there's a lot more than "double" :lol:

As you yourself mentioned earlier Peter with the 720p/1080p(wobulated) DLP sets, higher resolution specs do not tell the whole PQ story Better colour, contrast, black levels etc all contribute just as much to overall PQ. The SXRD's are the closest I've seen to CRT quality in a fixed pixel display but they're still only "closest" not "better" and they're also at least three times the price An ISF'd CRT will still best it in overall PQ for a lot less money. Then in 4-5 years he can get a 1080p SED display :T :lol:

[peterS]

Seen as how the Hitachi has no pixels there's a lot more than "double" :lol:

As you yourself mentioned earlier Peter with the 720p/1080p(wobulated) DLP sets, higher resolution specs do not tell the whole PQ story Better colour, contrast, black levels etc all contribute just as much to overall PQ. The SXRD's are the closest I've seen to CRT quality in a fixed pixel display but they're still only "closest" not "better" and they're also at least three times the price An ISF'd CRT will still best it in overall PQ for a lot less money. Then in 4-5 years he can get a 1080p SED display :T :lol:

the sxrd is the only 1080p set i have seen that looks 1080p even with bad source material
in this case id say a lot has to do with how good the sony looks

[aud19]

Well I think we can both agree the SXRD's are great looking TV's anyway :T

No tech is completely without faults but there's not too many (none) experts who wouldn't tell you CRT's still offer the best PQ out there when properly setup. That they are also by far the cheapest RPTV tech is just a bonus Get one before they're gone!! :lol:

[maseline_98]

Well aud19, I didn't take your advice....I still went with the Sony kds-60a2000 which I got from outpost for $2700 shipped(sorry to mods if I am not allow to post that)...It was just and amazing set(for the price) and I couldn't pass it up(though I would have like to wait for the new line w/ the cable card....IMPULSE BUY!!!

[aud19]

No problem! As I said the Sony SXRD models are the closest I've yet to see to CRT PQ and darn nice TV's! That's a pretty decent price as well! Congrats :T

I wouldn't worry about cable card personally.... The bigger changes would be accepting 1080p (vs only 1080i) signal over HDMI...though even that's not a big concern with the sets quality scaler ...and cosmetic changes, (I believe they were moving the speaker "wings" from the sides)