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  • kpodolski
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 316

    Lord of the Rings bluray...

    I was reading in Video Business that Warner will be releasing the Lord of the Rings trilogy bluray on April 16. "The nine disc set [$99.98] will include digital copies of each film. The extended versions of the films will debut on bluray at a later date".

    "The extended versions will be released at a later date"!!!??? The person responsible for this release must be a mental midget. Why? It begs the question; what village idiot in his right mind would spend good money for this set knowing that the extended verions will follow at a later date? Does Warner think that people will fall for this BS? I'm a capatalist but this is pure corporate greed...
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  • 1oldguy
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    • Dec 2008
    • 459

    #2
    Looks like I won't be buying it either.I want the full meal deal or nothing.
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    • Ovation
      Super Senior Member
      • Sep 2004
      • 2202

      #3
      Believe it or not, some people prefer the theatrical cuts (I like the EEs well enough--I have all of them on DVD--but sometimes I wish I had the theatrical cuts on hand as well).

      Also, though this is a vague recollection so I won't swear to it, I recall reading that Jackson et al. are planning a series of new, extensive extras in HD, in addition to the existing material and such things take time. Not everyone, given the gripes I've read about the Wizard of Oz, Gone With the Wind and Casablanca deluxe packages, wants "the full meal". Some just want the main dish.

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      • numberoneoppa
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 535

        #4
        If you're going to watch an epic, you might as well watch the whole thing. This upsets me, I really wanted to buy it, too. I still remember when it was supposed to come out this holiday season. I see that didn't go too well. :/

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        • David Meek
          Moderator Emeritus
          • Aug 2000
          • 8938

          #5
          I'll wait for the EE set. I won't be going through the gazillion hours of extras, but I do like the longer versions.
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          • Brandon B
            Super Senior Member
            • Jun 2001
            • 2193

            #6
            The extras are allegedly all on DVD discs. Fail.

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            • Chris D
              Moderator Emeritus
              • Dec 2000
              • 16877

              #7
              You know... at this point in time, there is NO reason that the major movies like LOTR, Star Wars, etc, should not be on BD.
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              • kpodolski
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2006
                • 316

                #8
                Originally posted by Ovation
                Believe it or not, some people prefer the theatrical cuts
                Not.

                And apparently I'm not alone in my position...

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                • littlesaint
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 823

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ovation
                  Believe it or not, some people prefer the theatrical cuts (I like the EEs well enough--I have all of them on DVD--but sometimes I wish I had the theatrical cuts on hand as well).

                  Also, though this is a vague recollection so I won't swear to it, I recall reading that Jackson et al. are planning a series of new, extensive extras in HD, in addition to the existing material and such things take time. Not everyone, given the gripes I've read about the Wizard of Oz, Gone With the Wind and Casablanca deluxe packages, wants "the full meal". Some just want the main dish.
                  Very true. I like the EE cuts for the added material, but for many they are just too long, and unless you really know the story, you don't miss anything with the theatrical cuts. Most people who buy these are not going to also buy the EE anyway, so it's not really greed, it's just good business.
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                  • Burke Strickland
                    Moderator
                    • Sep 2001
                    • 3161

                    #10
                    The ideal set would include both versions.

                    I happen to prefer the Extended Edition for "Fellowship of the Rings", since the added material makes a more coherent story and doesn't bog down the pace. I find it a tossup between EE and theatrical cut for "The Two Towers" -- the pace gets slowed down by the extra material, but the added scenes do help explain characters and adds continuity to some plot elements. I definitely prefer the theatrical cut for "Return of the King". The added material still leaves out a lot from the book (scouring the shire would have added at least another hour), while seriously dragging down an already lengthy narrative without (IMO) really making a satisfying (i.e., necessary) contribution to character development or understanding of the underlying themes. But I am glad to have both editions of all three on DVD for completeness.

                    So for me, neither a theatrical cut only set nor an extended edition only set would be sufficient. It would be great to have both sets in one box.

                    And although there was a time I would have treasured having all the extras, (having bought numerous special edition box set laser discs at prices no one would consider for the even the very best of BluRay today) those days are past. I've bought the "movie only" BluRay editions of "Gone With The Wind" and "Wizard of Oz" and would gladly do so (with appropriate reduction in price) for a movies only edition of Lord of the Rings -- especially if it were to include both EE and theatrical cuts for all three (for completeness).

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                    • Ovation
                      Super Senior Member
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 2202

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kpodolski
                      Not.

                      And apparently I'm not alone in my position...

                      http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Pic...1060970&sr=1-1
                      Holding a perceived majority position does NOT make the minority position untrue. That's not how it works.

                      Burke has summed up the three EE vs. theatrical films quite well (well enough that I don't feel the need to repeat it as it is close to mine). I received the first EE set as a gift and so I bought the other two to go along with it. They don't offer me the theatrical cuts, though, so I'm not entirely satisfied with them. As for being released separately, no one is forcing anyone to buy the theatrical cuts on BD. I won't jump at this set right away, as I too would like both cuts to be available in the same set--but if the price comes down enough, I'll grab them and worry about the EE sets later (I have plenty of family and friends to whom I give my earlier purchases whenever I upgrade, so I'm not worried too much about it).

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                      • George Bellefontaine
                        Moderator Emeritus
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 7637

                        #12
                        I have several different movies wih both EE and theatrical versions and to be honest, I usually watch the theatrical version the second time around and stick with it thereafter unless the EE offers something valid to move the story along or offer better character development. Burke's example is a good one regarding the LOTR films.
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                        • impala454
                          Ultra Senior Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 3814

                          #13
                          These films seemed perfect for using seamless branching... it's a shame they have to screw us (the crowd willing to double dip) just because they know they can. I will not be able to resist picking up the bluray, whether it's the theatrical or extended edition.
                          -Chuck

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                          • Chris D
                            Moderator Emeritus
                            • Dec 2000
                            • 16877

                            #14
                            It's here. BD's come out on Tuesday.

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                            • kpodolski
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 316

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Chris D
                              It's here. BD's come out on Tuesday.

                              http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Pic...0436327&sr=8-1

                              Don't you just love the 1 1/2 star rating. I guess the "perceived majority" will be passing on this set to wait for the extended version...including me! Again, corporate greed...
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                              • George Bellefontaine
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                                • Jan 2001
                                • 7637

                                #16
                                I'm passing period. I'm quite happy with the upconverted dvd transfers. Somewhere down the road, if the Blu versions end up in the bargain bin, I may fork out the dough. There are better things to spend my money on at the moment.
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                                • Chris D
                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                  • Dec 2000
                                  • 16877

                                  #17
                                  I'm holding out for the "complete" edition.
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                                  • Ovation
                                    Super Senior Member
                                    • Sep 2004
                                    • 2202

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by kpodolski
                                    Don't you just love the 1 1/2 star rating. I guess the "perceived majority" will be passing on this set to wait for the extended version...including me! Again, corporate greed...
                                    The actual majority, though, (the ones who bought many multiples more of the Theatrical Cut than the EEs the first time around) will be buying this in large numbers. So I doubt Warner Bros. is at all worried about the minority of people who will give it a pass.

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                                    • numberoneoppa
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Sep 2009
                                      • 535

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Chris D
                                      I'm holding out for the "complete" edition.
                                      Same here. =(
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                                      • Industrial
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Mar 2009
                                        • 213

                                        #20
                                        I just find it funny that the LOTR movies are already so "old" that they aren't already on Blueray.

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                                        • HedgeHog
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                                          • Dec 2008
                                          • 241

                                          #21
                                          There was a system SNAFU on Future Shop where the BD was selling @ CAD$18.99. So lots of ppl jumped on it and FS is honouring their goof-up. While I'm not a huge fan, 20 bux for 6 BD discs can't hurt. Let's see if the transfer is as bad as some review states.
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                                          • Chris D
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                                            • Dec 2000
                                            • 16877

                                            #22
                                            Wow, yeah, I would have done that for $20.

                                            Industrial, I hear what you're sayin'. Same thing with Star Wars--NO reason we shouldn't have them on BD by now.
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                                            • numberoneoppa
                                              Senior Member
                                              • Sep 2009
                                              • 535

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Chris D
                                              Wow, yeah, I would have done that for $20.

                                              Industrial, I hear what you're sayin'. Same thing with Star Wars--NO reason we shouldn't have them on BD by now.
                                              Just like the music industry, all they care about these days in the mainstream market is green.

                                              ****ing shame.
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                                              • George Bellefontaine
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                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 7637

                                                #24
                                                I noticed in Walmart this morning they had the Blu-ray box sets for $59 and some kind of an anti-theft alarm jigger wrapped around each box. Seems like a good Canadian price, but like I said, I'm quite happy with the PQ on my dvds.
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                                                • impala454
                                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                                  • Oct 2007
                                                  • 3814

                                                  #25
                                                  I watched about half of Fellowship of the Ring last night, definitely was not blown away by the PQ, but it was better than the DVDs. Was it a $60 difference? Eh... nah, not in my opinion. Though I do like having the theatrical versions and I like how the entire movie is on one disc.
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                                                  • David Meek
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                                                    • Aug 2000
                                                    • 8938

                                                    #26
                                                    Chuck, that's consistent with some reviews I've seen. Fellowship especially is not very impressive although it comes across as better than the DVD-version. Two Towers and Return both look better than it. I'm still sticking to my guns on waiting for the extended versions (and hoping for a better transfer).
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