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  • Chris D
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Dec 2000
    • 16875

    #1

    Movie versions of books (or vice versa)

    This may be a good discussion. The topic is popular books that have been made into movies. By and large, my personal opinion is that movie renditions of good books fall far short for a few reasons. First, I think due to the media of print, books allow for a much more thorough immersion of the reader in a story than a movie. True, a picture is worth a thousand words. But with a (good) book, the reader's imagination is actively engaged, enhancing the entire storytelling experience. After you have these ideas in your head of the way the story would look and happen, it is sort of spoiled when you see the story again in a movie. In some ways I cringe a bit when a book I like is released as a movie.

    This is not to necessarily imply that books are in general better than movies, as most everyone knows around here I LOVE movies, and don't think that some movies would really do well as books. Ask yourself if Terminator 2 or the Matrix would have been good books. Maybe yes... maybe not.

    One of my favorite authors has been for a long time Michael Crichton. I read much of his stuff, including Jurassic Park, long before many of them made it to film. He has a level of detail in his books that just can not be matched by a movie, even 2-3 hours long, yet he does it in a way that makes me MORE interested as a reader, not bored. He must research his subjects for books hard-core before writing. Several of his books have been made into movies, starting I think with the Andromeda Strain years and years ago, and most recently Timeline has been announced as a movie. Some of the movies are excellent, such as the original Jurassic Park, in my opinion. (who can forget the first scene where you fully see the dinosaurs over Sam Neil's head, with John William's score soaring?) Others were horribly made, like the excellent book Rising Sun that was botched as a movie, even with Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery. But even the best movies just couldn't match Chrichton's writing.

    Even movies that I think are very well made, I enjoy, and even own, I believe don't and CAN'T compare to the original book. Examples in my mind are Chrichton, Tom Clancy's Hunt for Red October, Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, various Stephen King works, Pat Conroy's The Lords of Discipline, any of Nelson Demille or David Morrell's work (authors of stuff like First Blood/Rambo and The General's Daughter, books that are excellent but were botched in the theater) and even most of Shakespere's works.

    However, I'm on the fence with J. R. R. Tolkein's Lord of the Rings as maybe the only exception. These movies IMHO are so very well done, that although I don't think they can surpass the books, they are certainly doing the stories justice and may be on par. The Return of the King certainly has the possibility to set an entire new standard for movie storytelling. (as does Episode III, but I'm not quite as hopeful for that the more time goes on)

    Another point I believe is that some authors that have had their works made into movies have begun to adapt their writing, as though they're planning on having it made into a movie, writing scenes that would make impressive visual movie shots, instead of their usual excellent descriptive writing. I really felt this way right away when starting to read Crichton's Timeline, and I knew it was only a short time before the movie was picked up by Hollywood as a Crichton cash cow. Tom Clancy may be guilty of this as well.

    I have never really gotten into books that have been written after movies, such as Star Wars books.

    Okay, I'm sure this subject gets some peoples' blood boiling. (uh... David?) Let's hear it!




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  • George Bellefontaine
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    • Jan 2001
    • 7636

    #2
    Yeah, I am always wary of books made into movies, but there have been a few I liked:

    SHANE by Jack Sheaffer. Great book, told from the kid's viewpoint. The film pretty much followed the book with a few minor exceptions that really didn't hurt. The description of Shane and how he dressed in the book was much different than Alan Ladd in the film. Ladd wore a suede/leather outfit while Shane in the book was dressed more like a gambler.

    THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA by Ernest Hemingway. I liked the film version as many of Spencer Tracey's character's thoughts and dialogue are stripped right from the novel. This was one of Hemingway's films turned to books that he really didn't have much of a problem with. Whenever I watch this film I want to go back and read the book again.




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    • Andrew Pratt
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      • Aug 2000
      • 16478

      #3
      I coundn't agree more chris...esp about chricton...who could forget Sphere? (I wish I could :wtf: )




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      • Danbry39
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        • Sep 2002
        • 1584

        #4
        What a great topic for discussion.

        You're right about differenct psychological involvements when reading and watching a movie. As a reader, your mind is active - using the author's words to create pictures and voices in our heads. How many times have we gone to a movie after reading a book and said, "That character just doesn't look or sound right at all."

        As far as Crichton, JP I isn't a bad movie, but having read the book first resulted in my personal disappointment with the film. Not only were some of my favorite scenes omitted, but, one of the things I enjoyed most about the book, was the scientific theories being discussed (such as the chaos theory and fractals).

        Off the top of my head, some of my favorite translations from book to film include:

        1. Pride and Prejudice (The A & E production) which was five hours long and a really faithful rendering of the novel - my wife's favorite.

        2. Wuthering Heights with Laurence Olivier - I still think this might be his greatest acting performance on film.

        3. As a kid, I read every Bond book by Ian Fleming and the first Bond films were all pretty faithful to the novels. The best rendition of a Fleming novel to the big screen, imo and according to my memory, was one that was probably one of the biggest failures - both with fans and at the box office - On Her Majesty's Secret Service - which I might be in the minority of one as far as loving. Besides, it starred Diana Rigg and I had major hots for her from The Avengers. Many of Fleming's books, The Spy Who Loved Me, had films made which shared the title, but had little else in common with the book.

        Other films where I can recall reading the book, then seeing the movie, and really liking the movie include A Streetcar Named Desire, The Color Purple, The Ox-Bow Incident, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

        Some books, like Catcher in the Rye, I don't think can be transfered to film successfully because they take place too much in the character's mind.




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        • David Meek
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          • Aug 2000
          • 8934

          #5
          Chris, I'm not ignoring ya', I've just had eye surgery (Tuesday) and it's a bit difficult to type effectively. I'll hop in here in a bit.




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          • George Bellefontaine
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            • Jan 2001
            • 7636

            #6
            Eye surgery ? Hope it's nothing too serious, Tex old buddy. Though anything concerning the eyes is definitely serious.




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            • Danbry39
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              • Sep 2002
              • 1584

              #7
              What George said David. Hope the recovery is going well and everything is okay.




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              • Chris D
                Ultra Senior Member
                • Dec 2000
                • 16875

                #8
                Wow, David. I had no idea! Get better, buddy!

                I suppose a corollary from this topic would be TV show spin-offs from movies. (anybody think of any TV show spin-offs from books?) The first one to come to mind is Stargate. I thought Stargate was a great sci-fi concept, but I wasn't overwhelmed by the movie. I don't watch the show.




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                Luke: "Hey, I'm not such a bad pilot myself, you know"
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                Well, we're safe for now. Thank goodness we're in a bowling alley.
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