So how about a update on the new 15 series?

[Ken49r]

If Pioneer can get it right , Rotel should do it better and look cooler doing it. But they have let me down since the rsp1068 with it's problems, then the terrible rsp1069, I hoped that the 15 series would come out and win the job in my theater but I will not be getting one. I wish this was not the case.

Dan

Dmantis, I have to agree with your frustration here.
Since Rotel is far superior in sound quality, it amazed me that they would release the new video equipment before what they do best. AUDIO!!!
If they released the stereo components first it would have given them time to debug the surround processors and offer 1st rate components with nothing but positive reviews.
I didn't understand why Rotel released the 1069 over the 1068 with HDMI 1.1 and then less than 1 year later offered the 1570 with HDMI 1.3. The 1069 should have had 1.3 as well if the 1570 was already on the drawing board.

[Dmantis]

Dmantis, I have to agree with your frustration here.
Since Rotel is far superior in sound quality, it amazed me that they would release the new video equipment before what they do best. AUDIO!!!
If they released the stereo components first it would have given them time to debug the surround processors and offer 1st rate components with nothing but positive reviews.
I didn't understand why Rotel released the 1069 over the 1068 with HDMI 1.1 and then less than 1 year later offered the 1570 with HDMI 1.3. The 1069 should have had 1.3 as well if the 1570 was already on the drawing board.

It's surprising. The rsp1069 should have been released years ago with 1.1 or not at all. I understand companies need to make money but making moves like this only turns some people off. This is not a good time to be doing that or ever for that matter.
Integra released there 9.8 preamp and it was a winner for the most part. Most people are completely happy with it. If it had 2 channel abilities like the Rotel does, I would already own it or the new 9.9. It even has a few things that Rotel should have like balanced out's and balanced in. This is a pure noise floor thing and better protection aginst EMI and RF which any audiophile would want. I do. I use my theater gear for 2 channel more then movies.
I read that someone said there is another preamp coming out in Q3 of this year. I don't think I can wait around for the 1098 replacement. It's like to late for that. It should be out now and do a better job then the 1570 is doing.
It should have balanced , room correction and DSD support over HDMI.
Anthem's new stuff looks like a home run. The D2v2 is a bit expensive but the AVM50 might be the one to get right now. Even the Marantz av8003 is more desirable then the Rotel.

[Dmantis]

Steve,
well you COULD recommend it, it honestly depends on what you're friend's sources are.
if he has an internally decoding Bluray, I think he'd be fine as far as HT goes.

Dan,
ya i hear you. This is extremely frustrating. I'd easily pick up the Sc-07. It was that good.
Rock solid. It was pretty darn close to matching rotel's sound quality.
ALMOST there...it's that Rotel 250w amp that had me drooling me, though.
Nicest amp I've seen in a VERY long time.
Add in the facts, that the pioneer has a built-in tuner, plays FLACs, and supports unmolested HDMI and some internet radio and you've got yourself an extremely potent competitor.
*sighs*
i don't know.
I'm tempted to leave this for a month and see what happens.
The Rotel combo is $$, and if I'm spending that kind of money I want something a little more polished.

P.S. mjb: does that mean if I had my bluray set at say... 1080p/24 and my HDcable at 1080i I would have to physically shut off the 1570 every time I switched between sources using my harmony remote?

So whats the good word? Pioneer or Rotel? The Sc07 does not suffer any of the Rotels problems. I'm considering picking it up and using it as a preamp. Maybe in a year or so Rotel can get it right, then I would buy one. Until then I will use a band aid and preamp a receiver. Maybe not a bad fix for now.
I'm just completely tired of waiting.

Dan

[Leef DaLucky]

haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet.
still waiting.
I don't need anything RIGHT this second, so i have the luxury of seeing how this plays out.
Saw that emotiva put their Umc-1 into production today as well.
looks pretty interesting over there. Nice looking unit.

[jalyra]

Dmantis, I have to agree with your frustration here.
Since Rotel is far superior in sound quality, it amazed me that they would release the new video equipment before what they do best. AUDIO!!!
If they released the stereo components first it would have given them time to debug the surround processors and offer 1st rate components with nothing but positive reviews.
I didn't understand why Rotel released the 1069 over the 1068 with HDMI 1.1 and then less than 1 year later offered the 1570 with HDMI 1.3. The 1069 should have had 1.3 as well if the 1570 was already on the drawing board.

I agree completely, that's why I am looking for the new Stereo preamp with the home theater bypass, if the RC-1082 would have it, I 'd have already owned one. So my plan is that for sound quality I'm still going to thrust Rotel stereo equipment and their power amps, but for home theater processors, I'm going to go with Onkyo/integra stuff, they have lot of features, nice price and they work pretty well.

Just hope the RC-1580 really ships in March. I also want to buy the Onkyo receiver, but I'd rather buy the Rotel stereo preamp first.

[WelshOne]

I am getting the 1570 and 1575, denon 3800 installed end of the week.

I'll let you know how it gets on if anyone is interested. I have been following forums/threads for some time, only to find very little in the way of reviews etc.

Im a bit of a newbie to this, but here is a link to a post I started in AVFORUMS.COM. It may spark some interest from other 15 series owners there......??? :roll:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/audio...-here-yet.html

...........oh, and i'm medrep1 there........ :T

[gianni]

Jeez! I've been around here a long time and it is indeed sad to see how HDMI is giving Rotel fits with all the bugs. I can just imagine how you guys in the market for new gear feel.To be honest, many foresaw these issues with HDMI so I don't think most of us are surprised.

I'm still using an old reliable RSX-1055. Just picked up a Pioneer Plasma and BR player. Using the coax to the 1055 does improve the sound over SD DVD as it seems the core audio on the BR discs is generally a higher bit rate than DVD even though still compressed. Been thinking about a 15 series to get uncompressed audio - that was till I started reading this thread. I think I'll wait a bit to see what happens.

As far as CD listening goes, I have NEVER liked using any DVD or BR player for my music listening. I much prefer using my dedicated Rotel RCD-1072 with analog connections. It is just so much faster and better suited to navigating CD's. I connect to the multi inputs and use a M&K BMC Mini to do my bass management. Have you guys considered using an outboard BM unit for music listening and only using the HDMI for watching movies?

I know it's more cables and hassles but at least you won't have to deal with that digital lock issue. One other downside would be speaker delay but if your speakers are all about the same distance it may not be an issue.

[Claw]

I'm seriously considering the Pioneer Elite SC05 now.

I bought a Yamaha HTR-6180 yesterday to see if it suffered the same problems the Rotel did, and when I connected everything together, it worked as I had hoped - 1080p with PCM audio.. something fighting with Rotel for 1.5 months I couldn't get. The big thing that the 1058 has that the Yamaha doesn't have is the 2ch stereo clarity

Does anything else come close to Rotel sound for <$2k CDN?

[Dmantis]

I'm seriously considering the Pioneer Elite SC05 now.

I bought a Yamaha HTR-6180 yesterday to see if it suffered the same problems the Rotel did, and when I connected everything together, it worked as I had hoped - 1080p with PCM audio.. something fighting with Rotel for 1.5 months I couldn't get. The big thing that the 1058 has that the Yamaha doesn't have is the 2ch stereo clarity

Does anything else come close to Rotel sound for <$2k CDN?

The Sc05 might give it a run for it's money. And you could use the surround back channels to power a pair of speakers somewhere else like a deck, outside, Masterbed, etc. I'm really thinking this is the best solution for our problems. The sc05 or sc07 would be ideal. It has Wolfson DAC's ,THX , Ipod control , etc. It's a really nice well balanced really good sounding receiver. I have connnected many different speakers to it and I liked everything I heard.
I'm just at the end of my rope so I think I'm gonna pull the trigger. Rotel disappointed me.

[WelshOne]

Guys,

Could you summarise for me please what your issues are with the 1570?

Ive had mine for a few days and I think it works great!

What are your problems specifically?

Thanks

[GillianSeed]

Time for some testing!

[Dmantis]

Time for some testing!

Nice Dynaudio center channel, what is the rest of the system? I see some NAD gear there....Cool man.

Dan

[GillianSeed]

Thank you!

I have
Contour S1.4
Contour SCX
Contour SR
2xSub500
NAD T175
NAD T955

My dream would be to own the S5.4! I auditioned them on Rotels 10 Series and I was blown away.
I hope i can afford them before Dynaudio drops the Contour Series.

My first impression is, Rotel is a lot better at handling my Speakers. Its a real improvment over the NAD T955.
I will keep the T175 as long as thers no bigger Processor from Rotel (i beg for Autocalibration, Room Correction).

Next step is to test the 1092 against the 1575. But i have already made my choice, i think...

[Dmantis]

Thank you!

I have
Contour S1.4
Contour SCX
Contour SR
2xSub500
NAD T175
NAD T955

My dream would be to own the S5.4! I auditioned them on Rotels 10 Series and I was blown away.
I hope i can afford them before Dynaudio drops the Contour Series.

My first impression is, Rotel is a lot better at handling my Speakers. Its a real improvment over the NAD T955.
I will keep the T175 as long as thers no bigger Processor from Rotel (i beg for Autocalibration, Room Correction).

Next step is to test the 1092 against the 1575. But i have already made my choice, i think...

Wow man 2 sub 500's sweet I own one Sub 500 and it's really good. I would love to own 2 of them for even more smooth bass in more locations. Nice.
I have the full Audience series in the 82's mains, 122c center and 2 pairs of 42w's for rears/surroundback.
Rotel does not offer Autocalibration which is one of the things I don't like about there new preamp. Shame to say but your better off with the NAD not to mention NAD now has upgrades fro Auto cal and built in Processing in the HD upgrade. It's some ugly gear in the plain Grey look but it's comparible to Rotel for sound quality.

Dan

[GillianSeed]

Nice another Sub500 Owner! To me, they are underestimated.
On the German Forum they say, Dynaudio Subs arnt worth the price. Im not in the mood to convince them.
A waste of time if you dont figure for yourselfe. Like people they Audyssey isnt necessary or brings nothing.
A second Sub is realy nice to have! Easy to compare with Dynaudios Master/Slave Function. I placed them on Slate.
Looks good and helps to reduce bass shaking.

Are you going to upgrade your Audience System? Dynaudio replaced them with the Excite Series.
The new Focus 360 looks promising, same Drivers as the S5.4 (Esotar 2).

Im a little upset after this Weekend with Rotels Amplifiers!
I realy like what they offer to my System. More Controled, refined and accurate Sound (did i miss a english word?).
But compared to NAD its getting a litte annoying to my ears. I have a accurate ear, maybe it needs more time to accept this litte harshness?

I havent heard a differnce between the 1092 and the 1575. Maybe you need bigger Speakers (I need )
If you can get the 10 Series cheap they are worth the money. The 15 Series offers the same value but at an reduced MSRP.

[mjb]

Im a little upset after this Weekend with Rotels Amplifiers!
I realy like what they offer to my System. More Controled, refined and accurate Sound (did i miss a english word?).
But compared to NAD its getting a litte annoying to my ears. I have a accurate ear, maybe it needs more time to accept this litte harshness?

Maybe you've just found the difference between Class A/B and D.

I havent heard a differnce between the 1092 and the 1575. Maybe you need bigger Speakers (I need )

To my ears, the 1575 isn't as forward in the mid range, and the bass seems a lot smoother and controlled compared to the 1092. I prefer the 1575.

Grusse, Mike.

[WelshOne]

Agreed. I have just moved away from Nad 218THX amps. This amp bettered the M25, and was then bettered by the 1575.

The Nad did seem to have a touch more sparkle, but also had a roughness to the music which was slightly harsh at higher volumes. The 1575 was a lot smoother and IMO subsequently more listenable for longer periods.

The sound is different, and to my ears was the preferred choice. Others may disagree, every one is different..............

Is anyone still able to highlight their main issues with the 1570 for me?

I have noticed a few minor quirks, but none of which are deal breakers? The delay when listening to CD via coaxial may be true, but if you are a true audiophile surely you would be using analogue via cd bypass, of which imo works wondefully witn no problems?! :roll:

I have recently come back from a UK Sound and Vision Show, all the major brands there. The rotel 1570/1575 combo to my ears was either comparable or more often bettered to what I saw/heard. I came away very happy with my decision and purchase. :T

[Leef DaLucky]

Hi Welsh..
I haven't bought yet, but from what I've seen, personally, I have 2 major problems i'd like looked at:
1) is the 2 second delay from CD source.
-yes, True, an "audiophile" probably won't use a digital hook-up, but I probably will. I don't see any sense in spending $$ on interconnects when one cheap optical/coax will do the job fine.

2) last time i saw it there was an issue with the 1570's handling on 96hz/24 bit material as was recorded on both Dave Matthews and the new Police Blurays. It started massive signal drop-outs and was unlistenable. When I switched the source to decode through the player, this problem was cured. But i really want to see the processor decode this stuff properly, before i buy.

I think there were a couple other bugs that stemmed from the current HDMI implementation with HDCP locks. MJB saw this and reported it. I think they were harsh enough to lock-up his processor which entailed a reboot to fix.

I think watchnerd had a really weird problem with digital audio locks going into a Buzzsaw kinda noise (that actually seems pretty dangerous to me, by the way, i wonder if it was like the dts bomb of last year). He also reported that a reboot fixed this problem.

I've heard my dealer say that there were some 2-channel issues over HDMI, but last time I talked to him he said those were getting addressed.

Now I didn't have time to test out the video section of the 1570 at all, yet. I was just trying to get through some of the audio problems i was having with it. From what I saw, the picture seemed to look ok. I won't know more until I go have another look at it. And basically, I won't be going over until the new firmware comes. So many companies are having troubles with scalars/HDMI processing/transcoding blah blah blah. I also know Rotel has had problems with this in past, finally opting to replace a lot of the HDMI boards in the 1069 to allow for a bi-pass option.

This system is still on the short list for me. I could care less about room equalization/Ipod inputs/XMsirius/etc.
There are 3 things i Need: HDMI hookups. Highdef Audio decoding. 24/1080p bandwidth.
I'm still all about the quality in my HT, and I own some calibrational disks and a Rat Shack SPL meter so I'm set. If it can't do the basics though, there are some worthy alternatives and i'm prepared to look at them as well.
Basically though, I refuse to buy and be a beta tester, and continue to work with Rotel in the hopes that most of these issues can be resolved..I mean what if they can't?

[Leef DaLucky]

P.S. yes, I agree the system sounds absolutely wonderful, which is why i'll continue to sit on the fence and not buy anything else. I genuinely want to see how this plays out.

and on side note: I was planning on using my pansonic bd-35 as my musical CD transport. (over HDMI, as well). I honestly don't see my self going out and buying the matching CD player JUST to circumvent the 2 second CD cut-out. I shouldn't have to.
I already have to plunk down some more cash just to get the tuner when it's released so I can get my local rock/classical stations. Maybe i'm used to receivers. I don't even think I'll have space in my rack for the Rotel CD (I was saving the last spot for a next gen Console).

[Dmantis]

Nice another Sub500 Owner! To me, they are underestimated.
On the German Forum they say, Dynaudio Subs arnt worth the price. Im not in the mood to convince them.
A waste of time if you dont figure for yourselfe. Like people they Audyssey isnt necessary or brings nothing.
A second Sub is realy nice to have! Easy to compare with Dynaudios Master/Slave Function. I placed them on Slate.
Looks good and helps to reduce bass shaking.

Are you going to upgrade your Audience System? Dynaudio replaced them with the Excite Series.
The new Focus 360 looks promising, same Drivers as the S5.4 (Esotar 2).

Im a little upset after this Weekend with Rotels Amplifiers!
I realy like what they offer to my System. More Controled, refined and accurate Sound (did i miss a english word?).
But compared to NAD its getting a litte annoying to my ears. I have a accurate ear, maybe it needs more time to accept this litte harshness?

I havent heard a differnce between the 1092 and the 1575. Maybe you need bigger Speakers (I need )
If you can get the 10 Series cheap they are worth the money. The 15 Series offers the same value but at an reduced MSRP.

I don't try to convince anyone about the Dynaudio subs. People can think what they want. I love mine. The sub500 is fast musical and shakes the room without BOOM and sloppy bass. People who talk smack are the ones who like that like of messy sub. I perfer a musical sub.

The excite line looks promising. I'm upgrading but not to a Dynaudio system again. I want to get a more theater first system and get the Excite 360's for a 2 channel system. I really would like to have the C4's but budget doesn't allow(really the wife doesn't allow , LOL)

Tell me more about the 15 series amp. Tell me more about the compare. I can get NAD allday long.

Dan