RSP-1069 and HDMI Bass Management

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  • Blindamood
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2003
    • 900

    #1

    RSP-1069 and HDMI Bass Management

    I believe this question has already been answered in another thread related to the RSP-1069, but I just wanted to clarify it directly for my own decision-making purposes…

    Can anyone verify with certainty that the RSP-1069 applies bass management (crossover, distance, and level) settings to the incoming PCM via the HDMI inputs (for example, from a blu-ray player)? I cannot find this stated directly in the manual, but I believe it to be a very important consideration. (The reason I question it is because there are no references to PCM/HDMI settings in the Advanced Speaker Setup or Subwoofer Setup menus.) If this is true, this would be a huge advantage over the multi-channel analog inputs, which generally DO NOT provide this ability. Assuming the player has high-quality DACs, it also settles the debate over whether it is worth getting a processor that handles the new codecs internally (via HDMI 1.3).

    If this IS the case, then the player itself does not need to provide bass management functionality (which many don't), just the ability to decode each of the codec types and send the resulting PCM to the RSP-1069. The player would also need to be configured to set all speakers to ‘Large’ to avoid any unneccessary duplication of the crossover. (This gives hope to those of us who have the early players such as the Sony BDP-S1 that do not provide distance or level settings.)

    The more I learn about the RSP-1069, as well as the cabilities of HDMI 1.1, the more I think the Rotel solution is the right one (disregarding the video scaler, which I have no use for). I am really leaning toward replacing my RSP-1068 with the newer unit, based on this and other updates (such as the new DACs and TI DSP engine).
    Brad
  • kmcheng
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 253

    #2
    I think Kelvin D answered a similar question of mine some time ago. His answer is "Yes". Check his post around #41 in the following thread.

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    • Blindamood
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2003
      • 900

      #3
      Yes, he did...thanks.

      I just thought it was glossed over a bit, and deserved a bit more attention.
      Brad

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      • Blindamood
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2003
        • 900

        #4
        Answered

        Okay, I sent the same questions off to Rotel tech support, and Shane Kea was kind enough to answer them in a very timely manner...see questions and responses below.

        I believe it is handled as Multi Input in this case so you would boost the multi input from the subwoofer menu.

        Best Regards,
        Mr. Shane Kea
        Rotel Service Supervisor
        B&W Group USA

        -----Original Message-----
        Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:03 PM
        Subject: RE: RSP-1069 and HDMI Bass Management

        Thanks for the quick reply. So, is there any way to boost the Sub for PCM, as you can for the other formats (via the Subwoofer Setup menu)?

        Thanks again,
        Brad

        -----Original Message-----
        Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:57 PM
        Subject: RE: RSP-1069 and HDMI Bass Management

        Yes, the RSP-1069 does provide all the management of the incoming HDMI PCM audio signal.

        Best Regards,
        Mr. Shane Kea
        Rotel Service Supervisor
        B&W Group USA

        -----Original Message-----
        Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:43 PM
        Subject: RSP-1069 and HDMI Bass Management

        Hello,

        Can you please verify whether or not the RSP-1069 can apply bass management (crossover, distance, and level) settings to the incoming PCM via the HDMI inputs (for example, from a blu-ray player)? I cannot find this stated directly in the manual, but I have seen it suggested on a home theater forum. The reason I want to verify is because there are no references to PCM/HDMI settings in the Advanced Speaker Setup or Subwoofer Setup menus in the user manual that would imply that this can be done.

        Thanks!
        Brad Lindamood
        Brad

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        • Nolan B
          Super Senior Member
          • Sep 2005
          • 1792

          #5
          Originally posted by Blindamood
          Okay, I sent the same questions off to Rotel tech support, and Shane Kea was kind enough to answer them in a very timely manner...see questions and responses below.
          mmmmmmmm...

          I hate to say it but when I tested if the multi input had an effect on bass it didnt from what I remember. i tried it with a DVD A being sent as PCM and noticed nothing from what I remember..

          I will try again.

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          • WI Rotel
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2006
            • 657

            #6
            Originally posted by Vancouver
            mmmmmmmm...

            I hate to say it but when I tested if the multi input had an effect on bass it didnt from what I remember. i tried it with a DVD A being sent as PCM and noticed nothing from what I remember..

            I will try again.
            It does, try again The PCM HDMI signal is handled just like the multiinput analog connection. There is one annoyance when using a PCM signal, however, the.1 channel is not always active thus my PV1's go on standby, and switch on in the middle of when they are needed. When using PCM I have to set them to "on"

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            • Nolan B
              Super Senior Member
              • Sep 2005
              • 1792

              #7
              Originally posted by WI Rotel
              It does, try again The PCM HDMI signal is handled just like the multiinput analog connection. There is one annoyance when using a PCM signal, however, the.1 channel is not always active thus my PV1's go on standby, and switch on in the middle of when they are needed. When using PCM I have to set them to "on"

              Do you have the best of Seal DVD A? Can you check if setting the multi input sub to max max any difference then if you have it at min?

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              • WI Rotel
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2006
                • 657

                #8
                Originally posted by Vancouver
                Do you have the best of Seal DVD A? Can you check if setting the multi input sub to max max any difference then if you have it at min?
                I do, I'll try to check it soon! Remember, however, that my connection will be HDMI not analog.

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                • Nolan B
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 1792

                  #9
                  Originally posted by WI Rotel
                  I do, I'll try to check it soon! Remember, however, that my connection will be HDMI not analog.
                  mine is HDMI too.

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                  • WI Rotel
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 657

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Vancouver
                    mine is HDMI too.
                    I did as requested, all the 1069 controls worked as they should. What is the bass management anyway? Are you reffering to the speaker settings (small large crossover etc)?. When using the HDMI connection you can't change the settings and listen simultaneously. When you turn the OSD on the audio will turn off till you are done changing the settings, but all the settings you have changed work, you simply can't A/B on the fly. BTW, the Seal DVDA works as dolby digital with my blueray player. My DVD A players are in my cars. I have a few DVDA's but only one is pure DVDA all others have DTS or Dolby tracks.

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                    • tedaudio
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 9

                      #11
                      Along the lines of this thread, can anyone tell me if the 1069 can process the pcm channels from an hdmi source to have the .1 subwoofer information directed to speakers designated as Large?
                      I have a 1098 with a 5.0 setup (no sub) and my large speakers receive the sub info directed from the .1 channel on a 1098 with optical input from a ps3. This is for the lo-res sound, and I'm sure that could be done on the 1069 also.
                      If I wanted the hi-res sound, and had a 1069 with hdmi connections to the ps3, will the similar redirection be done by the 1069 so that I didn't have to add a sub?

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                      • Kevin D
                        Ultra Senior Member
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 4601

                        #12
                        Yes, bass management is the same. The .1 will go to the large speakers.

                        Kevin D.

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                        • tedaudio
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 9

                          #13
                          Thanks for that quick reply!

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