RSP 1069: Known issues, "Fixes", and Official stance from Rotel.

[cxc21]

So I guess I should hook up the RMB1095 to the 5.1 channels and hook up the RB1080
to the back two(I dont see any reason to hook the RB1080 up to the front two and have two amps running when only five channels are needed)

And I could possibly run the compisite cables from the 1069 to the vp50 and HDMI back through to the 1069 and HDMI out from there to the KDS.

That should not be a problem should it?

You mean HD signal through composite to TV and you expect the signal to show up on the HDMI out of that TV? Very unlikely.

[avrtRick]

You mean HD signal through composite to TV and you expect the signal to show up on the HDMI out of that TV? Very unlikely.

No,

What I meant is run the composite cable(for the OSD) from the 1069 to the dvdo vp50's composite input, then have the HDMI from the VP50 run into the 1069,Then run the HDMI from the 1069 to the display,so
instead of having to switch the displays input, I could just switch the vp's input to view it(the OSD) when needed
Not HD over compisite
Like a loop

Rick

[brice1805]

RSP1069 - Dynamic Range

Just tried to adjust the dynamic range while viewing a dolby digital 5.1 dvd. I pressed the DYN button after selecting AUD on the remote and nothing happened. The manual states it is supposed to scroll through the range choices. All I accomplished by pressing DYN was to move the curser through the selections of the OSD. Nothing to do with adjusting dynamic range.

Can I get another brave sole to try this and report what happens when you select DYN and try to adjust a 5.1 dolby dvd.

Hello from Paris

I've got a 5.0 system (rsp1069 ; rmb1077 ; Triangle speakers).

When i scroll the DYN button, i can see MAX MID MIN and i can hear the dynamic range of the 5.0 sound clearly change in the same time (with a DD dvd, of course).

So, according to me, it works.

[kiwi2000]

Hello from Paris

I've got a 5.0 system (rsp1069 ; rmb1077 ; Triangle speakers).

When i scroll the DYN button, i can see MAX MID MIN and i can hear the dynamic range of the 5.0 sound clearly change in the same time (with a DD dvd, of course).

So, according to me, it works

Yes mine now works also with the latest firmware updates installed. It did not up until then.

To avrtRick

In regards to input switching to view OSD
That is an excellent idea and one that I had done previous with the 1068 and 1069 until the firmware updates on the 1069 have made the composite input outputs non functional.

I find it less intrusive to switch inputs to make an onscreen adjustment via the OSD on a monitor dedicated to this task rather than the main display device. There was also a lag as the unit had to change resolutions for the OSD to be viewed then agian for the source material.

My wish list for a future firmware upgrade on the 1069 would be the ability to bypass the OSD when viewing through HDMI.

Could some one please try to pass a 480i video signal through the 1069`s composite inputs and outputs and see if a picture exists through it onto a display. I can only get the OSD in this configuration! :duh:

[lvhung]

Seem the latter series 1069 has been fixed with the Dyn range control

[brice1805]

Seem the latter series 1069 has been fixed with the Dyn range control

...And with the scaler by-pass as well. Mine had this option directly out of the shop. It was mid-january.

[avrtRick]

To avrtRick

In regards to input switching to view OSD
That is an excellent idea and one that I had done previous with the 1068 and 1069 until the firmware updates on the 1069 have made the composite input outputs non functional

Kiwi2000
That's even better to what I was thinking :T (or the way I was going to do it)
That way I could leave the VP50 out of that loop
Thanks for the confirmation

composites not working :E

That's not good :cry:

What did the latest firmware address/add?

Rick

[Kevin D]

The dynamic range problem for people running a 5.0 or higher system have been fixed. If you are running no rears or no center (6.1, no center in my case) and have to downmix the Dolby signal, you will not get dynamic range control and it will be stuck on. This is per Dolby's specs in order to avoid clipping the output signals when down-mixing channels.

Refer to the section 3.6 of the following document from Dolby which details the Downmixing process –

As previously mentioned, user adjustment of Dynamic Range Control (DRC) is limited while downmixing; the use of the stereo analog outputs of DVD players, settop boxes, and game consoles are no different. Typically, the consumer is not able to adjust the cut or boost parameters when using the stereo outputs and the only DRC available is the selection of a .Midnight Mode. or the equivalent.

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/tech_library/20_Dolby_E._Standards.P.pdf

[avrtRick]

Well

I have to say I only want the composite to output for the OSD(when needed) so I guess all is good and the loop will do to still have that one cable connection

[kiwi2000]

Could some one please try to pass a 480i video signal through the 1069`s composite inputs and outputs and see if a picture exists through it onto a display. I can only get the OSD in this configuration!

I now have this feature working properly, thanks.
A bit of a kneejerk I guess but can you blame me after all that has gone on with this unit?

Is anyone using a DVD player that sends SA-CD or DVD audio via analog or HDMI to the 1069?

How does it sound?

[Nolan B]

I thought I remember reading this but i wanted to see if someone can confirm. Does the 1069 automatically de-interlace a 480i signal by HDMI even is the bypass feature is enabled?

[hifiguymi]

Yes it does, if you have the resolution set at 480p. It will scale a 480i signal to whatever you have the output resolution set at. If you keep it at 480p all it does is de-interlace anything 480i. All of this happens with the bypass turned on. Any resolution higher than 480i is passed through untouched.

Eric

[Nolan B]

Yes it does, if you have the resolution set at 480p. It will scale a 480i signal to whatever you have the output resolution set at. If you keep it at 480p all it does is de-interlace anything 480i. All of this happens with the bypass turned on. Any resolution higher than 480i is passed through untouched.

Eric

Its to bad they didnt leave an option to totally bypass the 1069 and leave a 480i signal alone.

Mind you that is assuming the 1069 cant de-interlace as well as a "high-end" external processor or fixed pixal disaply which I dont know.

[hifiguymi]

Its to bad they didnt leave an option to totally bypass the 1069 and leave a 480i signal alone.

Mind you that is assuming the 1069 cant de-interlace as well as a "high-end" external processor or fixed pixal disaply which I dont know.

There are a couple of reasons why the RSP-1069 does that. First, it allows analog connected components to be output through the HDMI output. Second, some TVs will not accept a 480i signal through the HDMI input. If that is the case you will always have a picture from any source connected to the RSP-1069 and the OSD will always show up.

Eric

[Mig17]

Anyone of you please post the pictures inside 1069
Many thanks

[thezone]

I
Is anyone using a DVD player that sends SA-CD or DVD audio via analog or HDMI to the 1069?

How does it sound?

realise this thread is getting old but anyway..... I just had a 1069/1075 combo on loan for the weekend, and I had virtually no issues with it at all. Currently my set up is Panny Viera 1080p 50' plasma, htpc with bluray player and 8600gts, topfield pvr, ps3, marantz dv 9500. All have hdmi outputs and all ran through 1069 perfectly. I would even go as far as to say that the pq from the 8600gts in 1080p (and PQ is normally really good) looked even better through the 1069. Now as far as SQ goes, man, it absolutley kills my so called "Audiophile" marantz PS17SA AVR. Much more detail and clarity! The ultimate was just playing a cd or sacd from the dv9500 with analogue signal direct to the 1069 with bypass activated, I heard things that I did'nt even know were on my cd's.

My dilema now is that I took back the 1069/1075 loaners and ordered a 1069/1095 combo just to be greedy (I have a pair of krix transmission lines that are 30years old and need lots of grunt) but when i was in the hi-fi shop the guy behind the counter waved a brochure on the new marantz AV8003 which will be out in august. It has all the latest on hd-audio decoding plus hdmi 1.3a, balanced pre-outs (to match the 1095) and balanced inputs to match a sacd player that i dont have.

1)The marantz looks ugly, the 1069 is such a cool looking unit.
2)If i can get lossless pcm audio thru hdmi who cares about hdmi 1.3a?
3) Will the balanced pre-outs make a difference to anything coming from a un-balanced source or only to the sacd player with balanced outputs which i dont own?

Sorry to rave on..

[kiwi2000]

HDMI handshake

I have gone ahead and purchased an OPPO while waiting for the Panasonic 50 DVD player to be released. I would like to listen to SA CD and DVD audio and this player will allow both via HDMI to a 1.1 equipped reciever. The purchase of the OPPO has caused a connection change as now there are is than one HDMI connection to my display and it can only accomodate one.

I finally tried out the bypass option through the 1069 with an HD PVR and the OPPO routed through the 1069 via HDMI.

First impressions are poor.

When playing a CD without the display on, no problem.

When trying to switch between the two HDMI sources and the display on, big problem. I ended up turning the rotel on and off anytime I had to change sources otherwise it would not sync to the switched source.

Another odd occurance when the PVR input was selected the OPPO would not even play, as in select track and spin disc! I did not try the other way round as in player then select PVR.

I also noticed a difference in PQ running the PVR through the 1069. This does not bode well for the new component I am waiting for, the panasonic 50.

Another peeve is whenever OSD is selected on the 1069 audio/video output is muted and it is quite a wait after OSD is turned off until audio/video returns when using HDMI.

The 1069 also had difficulty getting the surround mode correct when playing a CD with HD CD incryption. I had to turn it on/off many times to get the 1069 to recognize HD CD. If the disc was stopped and restarted I also had to go through the same song and dance to get it back to HD CD.

Odd no one reported handshake problems on this thread.

[kiwi2000]

HDMI handshake

I just tried out the HDMI switching agian this eve, same story unfortunately.
No picture or sound just the dreaded blue screen when trying to view the cable input, my first selection.

I tried the inputs back and forth and turned the rotel on/off several times, then finally I got the input to lock in.

Switching between inputs is a long and drawn out affair with a 50% at best success ratio. I get first the blue screen followed a few seconds later by digital fuzz then, maybe a picture and sound.

I have the HDMI bypass installed and the most recent firmware as of April or so. Yes is selected for the bypass.

[Nolan B]

mmm...


In the HDMI settings do you have it set to TV or Amp mode?

I get a 5 second handshack issue but it always corrects itself and I too own a oppo player for DVD A listening. I am constantly switching between HD Def and SD sources, I only use HDMI and I have never had a handshake issue in which I needed to restart anything.

Sometimes it can be anything in the HDMI path which can cause the issue i.e. display, player or processor/switcher.

[kiwi2000]

In the HDMI settings do you have it set to TV or Amp mode

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It is in amp mode. I do not see what difference this setting would make in my configuration as there is no audio connection to the display.
The bypass is set to yes
The resolution to 480. The resolution on the display does change even though bypass is selected and viewed via HDMI.

It is the exact same problem as before the mod was done. Cable video sent through the 1069 via HDMI gets changed according to the channel. Non HD channels display at 480 and are stretched to fill the 16:9 screen, not good. Selecting the bypass to no does not make a difference in this regard.

That is why the picture is different also routed through the 1069. Connecting the cable video feed directly to the display corrects this problem.

Maybe the bypass was not installed afterall?

[Nolan B]

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It is in amp mode. I do not see what difference this setting would make in my configuration as there is no audio connection to the display.

Its not just about if you have audio going to your display or not. I am not by my 1069 to check which setting I have, but I do know one of the two causes hand shake issues, and I confirmed this with Rotel, but I cant confirm if that has been fixed since because that was very early on in the 1069s release. Switch it to the other option then the one you have now and try to recreate the issue. See if that helps.

[kiwi2000]

birdman wrote

You wrote

I have already been in contact with Rotel tech support on this subject. It appears there was a mistake made when the HDMI bypass was installed.

I don't want to write a list as if I'm trying to make the product look bad. Suffice it to say I think Rotel will make it right.

I talked to them right at closing time Friday, so didn't get really detailed with them so they could go home. My question here was merely to verify at least one of the items I am having issue with prior to sending the unit back again, this one seemed the easiest to verify to me - guess that was a wrong assumption beings no one has answered it.

I guess I'm just lucky - looks like I'm the only one who was forced to pay shipping to have the upgrade done AND the only one to have their unit messed up when the upgrade was done.

Did they ever get it to work?

I also had the mod done and am now attempting to use it with very poor results.

It is functioning the same as before the mod wherin a 4:3 picture viewed via hdmi routed through the 1069 is stretched to fill the 16:9 screen.

Did you have to send it back again?

What now happens when you select bypass yes?

Does adjusting the output resolution on the 1069 make any difference when yes is selected in bypass?

[Martinf]

Dear Rotel,

This is my first visit to this forum for a long time. I still have my RMB-1075 and RSP-1066 and they are great. Nice to come back and see the 1075 still taking its 'pride-of-place' in the Rotel lineup! I knew I'd bought a great amp

BUT -- After reading this huge thread, -- and looking to replace my RSP-1066 with a full Blu-Ray HDMI capable model -- you REALLY have to step up the plate and release a "RSP-1069 MkII"!

[I have just ordered the lovely new 46 inch Samsung 6-series LCD television 50,000:1 contrast ratio & 4ms response time with true-HD and 100Hz. I also want to get PS3/Blu-Ray with HDMI audio & video.]

By all means you need to do what you can to 'band-aid' the flawed RSP-1069, but in the longrun only a new 'MkII' machine will do. This absolutely MUST address all the issues in this thread.

Main ones being:-

1. FULL HDMI 1.3 compatibility;
2. Blu-Ray audio codec with :- (a) ability to apply all Rotel surround processing modes to the incoming HDMI, AND do so without having to convert to multichannel LPCM in the Blu-Ray player first! (b) FULL multi-channel time-alignment and bass management functionality (incl with 7.1);
3. No bugs in the HDMI video-scaling;
4. sorting out the glitches and handshaking delays when switching sources.

Rotel, I want to make it clear to you that I will NOT buy the -1069 as it stands, so for the moment I'll be keeping the RSP-1066 for a limited period -- hoping sincerely for a RSP-1069 MKII ! -- otherwise I'll have to look around to another brand which can meet all my HD Audio and video needs -- out of the box.

Best,
Martin.

[hifiguymi]

Martin, did you see that there is a new series of Rotel coming very soon (in the next 30-60 days)? There is an RSP-1570 coming that is replacing the RSP-1069. Look at this thread.

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=31085&page=1&pp=35

Eric

[Martinf]

Looks v interesting! Any ideas on UK pricing? Some comments on the page you linked to question this aspect -- i.e. compared to other brands.

[Nolan B]

Has anyone been able to confirm if the 1069 passes 1080p 24fps when in bypass mode?

[hifiguymi]

Has anyone been able to confirm if the 1069 passes 1080p 24fps when in bypass mode?

Yes it does. I've had a couple of them in customers homes that do.

Eric

[kiwi2000]

I believe all the unfortunate purchasers of the flawed 1069, that was no where near ready for market when released should get a free or cost of shipping upgrade to the new series.

There have been so many issues that should have been identified and corrected before relase of product, rotel should be compensating me and everyone else saddled with the 1069 to the tune of a new unit.

There are still outstanding issues with the 1069, the latest with the "handshake" wherein if a HDMI equipped component is powered on while listening/ watching another HDMI equipped component the rotel will lose track of the selected component, no audio/video output, and need to be powered off and on.

When selecting between HDMI components it is a 50/50 chance that the video will not properly display on the screen resulting in yet another rotel power on and off. This occurs even with the HDMI mod and the selection to pass through.

One can only hope that rotel has taken at least some time to test the new product this time before general release to the public.( Although I don't hold out much hope).

[avrtRick]

A question for those that are in the know,

I could not find a statement in the manual to help with this.

in the speaker settings, on the subwoofer line NO,YES,MAX.

When I set this to "YES" there is no subwoofer active when the pre is doing DPL11x
is that normal, I have to have it set to "MAX" for the Sub kick in.

kiwi2000
I have experienced the DSP lockup quite a few times, and I suppose I could say Im lucky only using 1 HDMI input(everything goes through a VP)

Can someone tell me the way speaker/sub(as statede above) settings affect the sub

Thanks in advance
Rick

[Kevin D]

If your speakers are set to LARGE, you will not get a sub output unless there a digital 5.1 signal provided. Setting it to MAX puts bass information on the main channels and the sub.

Kevin D.

[avrtRick]

Thanks Kevin.

All speakers set to large in a 7.1 configuration

Thanks again

Rick

[Kevin D]

I can pretty much guarantee you everything but your front speakers need to be set to small, and there's a 90% chance your fronts need to be set to small as well.

What speakers are you running?

Kevin D.

[style]

Hallo Kevin,

but you mean small on the OSD first page and where you have fonr -center - rear-... you set Big and the crossover(60-80hz.) or what?

with a speaker like the B&W803d you have a Big escursion from the frequency or??


thanks Omar

[avrtRick]

Front and surrounds are Klipsch F-3's,center is C-3
Will say though, although not the ants pants, they are excellent for the money and can take everything the RB1080 and RMB1095 can throw at them.(no matter how loud I play them :T )

at times, I get to looking at the sub just to make sure its off.

I was going to upgrade to the reference range, but due to more important priorities, that will have to wait til mid next year

[kiwi2000]

HDMI handshake

Well all is settled in regards to my previous posts on the HDMI issue except for the lockup of the 1069 when I change HDMI sources, requiring an on/off of the 1069 to, (hopefully) get sound/video on the selected source.

I will contact Rotel on this matter and if I ever get a response I will post the reply for others who might be having the same switching issue.

To avrtRick who replied to my previous post

kiwi2000
I have experienced the DSP lockup quite a few times, and I suppose I could say Im lucky only using 1 HDMI input(everything goes through a VP)

If the 1069 would have performed as advertised there would be no need for secondary video accessories as the rotel was supposed to be a HDMI video switcher in addition to an audio component in my humble opinion.

[shadow 8]

these persistent issues are what kept me from getting a 1069. Since I have a 1085 amp, the 10 series styling is very appealing to me, but since I have two HDMI sources, it appears I will never get one and the new processors will not match my amp cosmetically.

[kiwi2000]

I will contact Rotel on this matter and if I ever get a response I will post the reply for others who might be having the same switching issue.

That was one month ago plus. After a series of unanswered emails I began leaving phone messages at rotel tech support asking for a reply to the emails sent via email and phone and referring to the email sent Sept 12 2008.

Just yesterday an actual human answered at rotel phone support and after speaking to him I was able to resend my email on the hdmi handshake issue.

He had no explanation as to where the emails sent previous ended up but has promised a quick reply!

F.Y.I.

[Eddie]

Rotel RSP-1069/RMB-1075 vs. Denon 5308

I currently own this Rotel combo connected to discontinued CM series B&W speakers, but keep wondering if I'm missing out not having Audyssey, Realta processor, and the other goodies the Denon offers. What do you guys think? Would you go from Rotel separates to the 5308, your opinion is greatly appreciated Thanks in advance!

[jdc115]

I currently own this Rotel combo connected to discontinued CM series B&W speakers, but keep wondering if I'm missing out not having Audyssey, Realta processor, and the other goodies the Denon offers. What do you guys think? Would you go from Rotel separates to the 5308, your opinion is greatly appreciated Thanks in advance!

I can not comment on the Denon but I have paired the RMB 1075 with a NAD T175 with great results. I was debating between the 1069 (I use to have a 1068) and the NAD T175 but when with the NAD for various reasons. The Audyssey has helped my room acoustics issues a lot and well worth it to me. I don't need the video processing, just pass through.

To me, it is well worth it. If you change the 1069 for a Denon or something else, consider keeping your power amp and use something with Pre outs.

[Nolan B]

I currently own this Rotel combo connected to discontinued CM series B&W speakers, but keep wondering if I'm missing out not having Audyssey, Realta processor, and the other goodies the Denon offers. What do you guys think? Would you go from Rotel separates to the 5308, your opinion is greatly appreciated Thanks in advance!

my opinion is your current setup will sound much better then the denon. In addition if you are after better video dont worry or invest in video processors just get a blu ray player and switch over to hd. Most good HD players have very good upconversion now anyway.

[Blindamood]

I currently own this Rotel combo connected to discontinued CM series B&W speakers, but keep wondering if I'm missing out not having Audyssey, Realta processor, and the other goodies the Denon offers. What do you guys think? Would you go from Rotel separates to the 5308, your opinion is greatly appreciated Thanks in advance!

I recently made a similar move, but went from an RSP-1068 to the Denon AVR-3808CI. Instead of using the Denon's amps, I kept my RMB-1085 to supply the power. So far, I am really enjoying the additional features that this receiver has to offer as a pre-pro. The Audyssey auto-calibration makes a noticeable difference in my system, and it provides many more options by way of the Ethernet connection (e.g., streaming Internet radio, network music connectivity, easy firmware updates, etc.). It also provides FM and Sirius connectivity, so you don't need to buy an external tuner. Oh yeah...it also decodes all of the latest HD audio codecs if you have a player that bitstreams...

Overall, I think the flexibility, along with the amazing price I got on it (PM me if you're interested) made the Denon an unbeatable alternative.

[Eddie]

I can not comment on the Denon but I have paired the RMB 1075 with a NAD T175 with great results. I was debating between the 1069 (I use to have a 1068) and the NAD T175 but when with the NAD for various reasons. The Audyssey has helped my room acoustics issues a lot and well worth it to me. I don't need the video processing, just pass through.

To me, it is well worth it. If you change the 1069 for a Denon or something else, consider keeping your power amp and use something with Pre outs.

How does the NAD T175 compare to the 1068 cause I was really interested in going that route but it had supposedly a lot of issues and no local dealer, have they solve all the issues?

[Eddie]

my opinion is your current setup will sound much better then the denon. In addition if you are after better video dont worry or invest in video processors just get a blu ray player and switch over to hd. Most good HD players have very good upconversion now anyway.

:T Thanks Vancouver for your opinion, I like the 1069 but it just seems that other companies are offering these days a whole lot more for your money

[Eddie]

I recently made a similar move, but went from an RSP-1068 to the Denon AVR-3808CI. Instead of using the Denon's amps, I kept my RMB-1085 to supply the power. So far, I am really enjoying the additional features that this receiver has to offer as a pre-pro. The Audyssey auto-calibration makes a noticeable difference in my system, and it provides many more options by way of the Ethernet connection (e.g., streaming Internet radio, network music connectivity, easy firmware updates, etc.). It also provides FM and Sirius connectivity, so you don't need to buy an external tuner. Oh yeah...it also decodes all of the latest HD audio codecs if you have a player that bitstreams...

Overall, I think the flexibility, along with the amazing price I got on it (PM me if you're interested) made the Denon an unbeatable alternative.

Interesting move, how did the 1068 compare to the denon, did you give up anything?

[Nolan B]

:T Thanks Vancouver for your opinion, I like the 1069 but it just seems that other companies are offering these days a whole lot more for your money

more features at the cost of sound quality. You also need to look at whih features you really need. i.e. be sure that the reciever does in fact have a better video processor then the one in your TV or DVD player. Does auto room calibration really improve sound quality?