Anybody using a JC-1 per channel?

[J.H.]

I'm just curious if anyone is using a JC-1 perchannel in thier system? I know its expensive but someone must have a setup like that. Does anyone use any kind of mono amp per channel? How much more incredible is it than a multi channel amp? Thanks J.H.

[Peter Nielsen]

Yes. I'm using nine (9) JC-1s. (The fronts are bi-amped, hence 9 amps instead of 7).

Peter

[J.H.]

Sir congratulations it must be absolutely insane! Wow I ave much repect for you. If you don't mind me asking how much did that setup cost you? Also what processor are you using? C1? Thanks J.H.

[Peter Nielsen]

I'm using the C2. Have a look at my post in this thread for more info and pictures.

Peter

[nicholtl]

...Wow I ave much repect for you....

You're an easy man to earn respect from, then. All you need are some amps or a fat wad o' cash.

[Peter Nielsen]

Heh... Personally I think the JC1s pale in comparison to the MG 20.1s. The big Maggies actually do deserve a lot of respect :W

Cashwise, it's worth mentioning that Magnepan has an incredibly tight pricing (=NO discount!) and strict dealer policy, so a pair of 20.1s turns out to cost about the same as 6 JC1 monoblocks (ok, I did get my JC1s before the price went up).

Peter

[RebelMan]

You're an easy man to earn respect from, then. All you need are some amps or a fat wad o' cash.

I too admit that Peter's JC1 setup is admirable and impressive but he won't earn any respect from me until he get's a pair of 800D's to drive with them. :lol:




(Just messing with you Peter, really you have awesome system. :T)

[J.H.]

Hey thats just a sweet setup. I am impressed. It must soun ridiculous! J.H.

[Peter Nielsen]

Just messing with you Peter, really you have awesome system

Hey, man, you're messin' with me in a goood way! :T I used to have a GREAT pair of boxed speakers (the 300 liter [80 gallon] Technics SB-M1) for almost 20 years, so I sure can appreciate that big boxed speakers can sound sweet too...And, there's nothing wrong with the sound of B&W's, it's just different! :B

Peter

[Peter Nielsen]

Hey thats just a sweet setup. I am impressed. It must soun ridiculous! J.H.

Hehe! Honestly, the only things that are ridiculous are my electricity bill and the heat the JC1s generate. Not fun in summer time. In winter time it's not that bad. The media room was 68 degrees the other day. I switched on the amps and within a few hours I had 80 degrees. Nice and cozy! Heats up the room better than the AC can do! :twisted: :B (However, considering that the AC can chill this rig in the summer time is pretty amazing - but it actually works! I guess the AC people here in the South only pay attention to cooling... It's almost embarrassing that the JC1s can heat the room better than the AC heating... ops: )

Anyway, one of these days I'm going to install the amps into Middle Atlantic racks recessed in the left hand wall and arrange for air circulation that moves the air from another (big) living space into, and through, the racks and then out the door. That should finally take care of the heat issues for good

Peter

[Chris D]

Someday... Magnepans... someday..

[slayer]

Very nice system. A good friend of mine has the Carver Amazing Platinums. It's a different level. I love ribbon speakers.

[nicholtl]

I love ribbons on presents at Christmas time.

[Peter Nielsen]

Very nice system. A good friend of mine has the Carver Amazing Platinums. It's a different level. I love ribbon speakers.

I've never heard the Carver Amazing Platinums, but considering their price point, I doubt they are a the same level as the $12k+ MG20.1s...

Peter

[slayer]

How can you compare the price point? These were made in the late 80's. I like them as much as the MBL 101e towers I see at The Show every year. Look at their price point compared to yours. Can you compare yours to the MBL's? They are $45K for a pair. I'm sure I would like yours just as much even though they are half the price. No need to get defensive, all I'm saying is I love Ribbon Speakers. You have an incredible system that I'm sure you are proud of.
Have you ever had a chance to hear a CAT system?

[slayer]

You must have misunderstood my first statement to get so defensive. I was not saying that the Carvers were a different level than yours. I was saying that Ribbon speakers are a whole different level over the traditional transducer type speakers that most of us common folks have to own. If I had the $ to own them, I would have ribbons with out a question. I hope this clears up what I was getting at.

[Peter Nielsen]

How can you compare the price point? These were made in the late 80's.

Like I said, I don't know them, and of course I assumed that you were talking about a contemporary speaker, especially since planar speaker technology has evolved quite a bit during the years.

You're of course right. Considering the age difference the price point is moot.

Speaking about great speakers of the 80's I just have to mention the wonderful Techics SB-M1 one more time. I used these speakers for almost 20 years before finally upgrading to Maggies. This old Technics 1982 design sounds almost as good as the MG 20.1s and beats the smaller MG 3.6s by leaps and bounds...

Peter

[slayer]

Never had a chance to hear to hear those. I just got my taste of Exotic speakers about 5 years ago when I started going to CES every year. We go to Alexis Park for THE SHOW where you get to hear demo's of most of the crazy hi-end speakers and electronics. Have you seen or had a chance to hear the MBL 101's? They are works of art. They image the same, flawless, no matter where you stand, crazy. I've never had a chance to see your speakers though. I never see them at CES. I'm sure they are there but it's hard to see everyone. I'll make it a point to look for them this year.
Do you run any subs in the room? I didn't notice any.
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[Chris D]

Hey, slayer, send Lex an E-mail or private message. Doug's the owner of this site, and you might be able to work out an agreement so you can get some advertising on the site!

[Peter Nielsen]

Do you run any subs in the room?

Yes, a Martin Logan Descent (it's behind the left front speaker). I'm going to get a second one in order to do tri-amping with the DEQX.

I don't doubt the MBL-101 sounds good, but I would never buy a speaker that is so ugly it scares the living daylights out of me :B

Peter

[slayer]

Anybody using a JC-1 per channel?

They are incredible looking in person.

Chris, thanks for the info. I might try that. I think it would be wise to establish myself on the site first though. Thanks again.

[Peter Nielsen]

Unfortunately I read your first rude reply before you deleted it. It's forgotten, but you might want to read this post before you dismiss me as a complete jackass again... It's not only words to me. What I say, I can also back up in REAL LIFE. :T

Thanks,
Peter

[slayer]

Fine, how about the CAT MBX 1044's. They run $200K to $250K a pair depending on the finish. Made here in Sacramento California. They weigh 1300lbs each and use 3in. thick avonite enclosures. They are usually powered by 3 Monaco amps per speaker.
Would your speakers even be worth talking about compared to these?
Yes, a great speaker is a great speaker no matter what the cost. That is what I was saying in my first post. The Carver speakers made a couple decades ago are still an incredible speaker. Even compared to speakers made today. Yours will still be great 20 years from now. If they still work that is. The Cats costing what they do does not mean they are better, it just means the cost more. So that could be the case with the MBL's as well. Sometimes a lesser priced product is actually the better one.

All I was trying to say to you was that I love ribbon speakers. I mentioned the Carvers due to a friend of mine has a pair. If he had mags, I would have mentioned those. Good luck with the system.

[slayer]

It was you coming off as a jerk. Once again, I was just trying to give you a compliment on your system and say how much I like ribbon speakers. You just kept putting down anything I mentioned. Fair enough though. We all have our opinions and I was not trying to show anyone up. I would love to have a system as nice as yours. I would if I was single or had more money. I am forced to upgrade my system little by little when the budget allows. Have a good one.

[Peter Nielsen]

I am forced to upgrade my system little by little when the budget allows.

Same thing here... Eventually it comes down to how WISELY you spend your money...

I'm from Finland, and I think Finns are educated a bit differently than Americans in this respect. Finns generally do not (ab)use credit as some Americans do...

FWIW, I'm 37 years old and I've never paid one single "finance fee or charge". The day I do, it must be because of a mistake I or someone else made... :B Everyday, I plan ahead for everyting...

Peter

[slayer]

If I buy an amp from you will you show me some love? ; )
No harm Peter, just got off on the wrong foot. Problem for me is by the time I'm ready for a new upgrade, my last upgrade is already obsolete!!!!! I'm sure all those JC-1's had to have been a big chunk out of the bank. My wife thought I was crazy when I brought home my 140lb Cinenova Grande. She would have kicked me out if I brought home 5 monoblocks, let alone the number you have. What did you have to do to the electrical in that room? Do you blow the breakers all the time?

[Peter Nielsen]

I'm sure all those JC-1's had to have been a big chunk out of the bank.

Yes, but it didn't really feel that way. I guess that's because the JC-1s can be had at a more-than-reasonable price, and on top of that, you can buy them one at a time or a pair at a time as your burget allows. I said in an earlier post, that you can (or at least you could before the price went up) get 6 JC-1s for the price of one pair of the flagship Maggies. Yeah, the Maggies sure were a big one-time chunk out of the bank, and they cannot be bought pair-by-pair like the JC-1s can be bought...

My wife thought I was crazy when I brought home my 140lb Cinenova Grande.

Ah, my wife KNOWS that I'm crazy... I guess that makes things easier for me to pull things through :B

What did you have to do to the electrical in that room?

I put in three 20A circuits. That's more than enough. The big problem is the HEAT that they generate. I will need to build them into the wall and get a dedicated AC system that blows the hot air out of the room... (I've written more about this in another thread)

Peter

[slayer]

I had read it already. In fact, a review I read said those amps make great space heaters. The other post is were I saw that you were looking to put them in a Mid Atlantic rack. That is why I offered to help you out with the rack. Your room sounds awesome. Do you do a lot of 2 channel listening? What transport/ cd player/ dvd player are you using? What about the projector?

[NAV]

slayer,
Just curious about the $200K+ CAT MBX 1044's speakers. Are they for home theater or commercial theater? Do you have the link so I can see what is it that make the speakers cost more than a house?
Unreal!!!

[Peter Nielsen]

Do you have the link so I can see what is it that make the speakers cost more than a house?
Unreal!!!

FYI, if you're looking for ridiculously expensive speakers, there is one word that immediately comes to mind: ACAPELLA

For instance a pair of the Acapella Sphaeron Excalibur sells for US $325,000.00 / pair and weighs in at close to 1400 lbs/speaker!

And this is NOT their top of the line model. I vaguely recall that the top of the line model (Sphäron) costs around a million US $... THAT is unreal :B

These speakers are intended for your HOME. The manufacturer recommends a minimum of a 40 m^2 (square meter) room for the Excalibur and 50 m^2. for the Sphäron. (This translates to 430 and 540 sqft respectively).

FWIW, here's the link to Acapella's website

Peter

[slayer]

NAV, they are for home use. They too have a million dollar speaker model. If you are ever in Vegas, go to Creative Home Theater. There are several Cat engeneered theater rooms to listen to. The Grand is the big dog with the speakers I had mentioned above. The room has 21 subwoofers in it. The best bass I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. A solid 4 hours of listening to the system at silly levels and I left with 0% ear fatigue. CAT builds the crossovers for each speaker on-site to correct for room problems. It really does make a huge difference. I've installed one of their systems in the 70K range and it was incredible. Go to www.calaudiotech.com to see some of the CAT stuff. Their site does not show all that much. They custom build most of their speakers. If you look at the first pic they show on the left of the two towers with the 12" sub on top and bottom, those are them. The million dollar pair they now have is similar but uses an 18" sub on top and a 22" on the bottom. No pics that I know of but they are on display somewhere right now so I'm sure the pics are out there.
Go to www.creativehometheater.com for a 360 degree look at the rooms. The intro to this site is cool so turn on your sound. Click on systems and look at The Grand to see THE ROOM. Very cool place to visit if you are into theaters.

[slayer]

Peter, very cool stuff. Those are awesome looking. Is the site in english as well? I would love to read about those.

[Chris D]

Funny stuff. Wow, for $325,000 you actually get to pick what color the horns come in? What a deal...

[J.H.]

Am I the only one who thinks these speakers are scary looking? They look like something in a demented fun house. They are also the ugliest speakers I have ever saw. J.H.

[Peter Nielsen]

Am I the only one who thinks these speakers are scary looking? They look like something in a demented fun house. They are also the ugliest speakers I have ever saw. J.H.

Yes, I agree that the Acapellas are ugly. Scary? No. The MBL-101 is scary. Look at the cross-shaped thing on the top. What could that mean? That cage looks like it could be supercharged with lethal voltage... It looks like a fly zapper that was made to zap something bigger... That's scary! :B

Each one to his/her own. Personally I prefer the monolith look of the Maggies. I guess some people would classify that as totally boring, but I prefer my speakers to have a clean/sterile look

Peter

[J.H.]

They look like something that wood be in Willie Wonkas! They are freaky. My Definitive Technology speakers will be just fine. They cost A LOT LESS! and they look real real good. I'll stick with my DT's. I love the bipolar design. J.H.