room size

[doviiman]

In your opinion, if your room was about 11 feet wide and about 18 feet long/deep. (small to medium size room), what diamond serious woud you consider? I like the 803D, but I am afraid might not get the proper sound from the speaker, becasue the room does not allow much for spacing.Then there is the fear of getting the 804D, but missing the mid bass the 803D gives you. Any opinions or experience on this topic.

[PewterTA]

Go for the 803D (or Diamonds?), you won't regret it....over all that room is perfectly fine.

It'd be small, but even the 802Diamonds would work in that room (providing you can dedicate all 11 feet to them)....but one thing I've learned is through placement, toe and basically trying to make the best "triangle" between the speakers and you, almost any speaker can basically work in any room. Just takes some tweeking.

I had my 604s3s in a 9 by 11 room (only 5 feet between them) and they honestly almost sounded better than anywhere else I've had them until currently where they are about 8 - 9 feet apart. So anything can potentially work.

Though with that and not anything to do with room. People have said the mid-range of the 804Ds is better than the 803Ds...I've not compared...but if you don't need the bass and this is infact true... then the 804Ds might work out better...!??

[doviiman]

Thanks for the response. I do need the mid bass, and I am afraid I won't have much mid bass if choosing the 804d. Which is kind of an issue I have now. I am upgrading my klisph references towers with in wall surround, and.Velodyn DD 12. Driven with a denon 4306 receiver

[htsteve]

doviiman,

I agree with PewterTA's analysis.

I have 802D's in an 11' X 16' room. They sounded excellent when they went into the room. I've spent a few years adding acoustic treatments, and now they sound awesome.

So I would not be afraid of the 803D's.

Another thought. You will have quite an excellent set of speakers and sub. The 800 series speakers are really designed to be driven by an external amp. The Denon, while nice, has it's work cut out for it.

Give Rotel or Emotiva a look. Or maybe some other high quality used amps. You B&W's will really open up with lots of current.


Hope this helps.

[BWLover]

Htsteve

Do you have photos of your set up? I'd like to check out how you fitted your acoustic treatment into your system. Thanks

[htsteve]

I use mainly Real Traps.

Mondo Traps on stands behind the 802D's. They basically cut the corner off. RFZ panels on the ceiling reflection points (not pictured).

The traps in the upper corners (front and back) were made out of a panel a friend gave me. It's a thin board with fiberglass, wrapped in a felt like fabric. The same type panel are in the side wall first point reflections.



Here's one of the rear of the room. I recently replaced a bookshelf with a real diffuser (one in the middle), which turned out to be an excellent move.

In addition to the Real Traps diffuser, there are two mini traps. All three are mounted with 3" brackets off the rear wall, to help with some bass trapping.

I also have High Frequency Micro Traps on either side of my listening position (not pictured).

[doviiman]

doviiman,

I agree with PewterTA's analysis.

I have 802D's in an 11' X 16' room. They sounded excellent when they went into the room. I've spent a few years adding acoustic treatments, and now they sound awesome.

So I would not be afraid of the 803D's.

Another thought. You will have quite an excellent set of speakers and sub. The 800 series speakers are really designed to be driven by an external amp. The Denon, while nice, has it's work cut out for it.

Give Rotel or Emotiva a look. Or maybe some other high quality used amps. You B&W's will really open up with lots of current.


Hope this helps.

Hi Again Steve

I have decided to modify my Theater room from a clean enclosed look to and put the B&W in front to make a sound stage like yours.
I had to put the project on hold for some time, but I am again ready to get my dream speakers.
I am not sure if I will ever see a pair used black 803D anymore, but I will keep an eye out for a pair.

[doviiman]

I use mainly Real Traps.

Mondo Traps on stands behind the 802D's. They basically cut the corner off. RFZ panels on the ceiling reflection points (not pictured).

The traps in the upper corners (front and back) were made out of a panel a friend gave me. It's a thin board with fiberglass, wrapped in a felt like fabric. The same type panel are in the side wall first point reflections.



Here's one of the rear of the room. I recently replaced a bookshelf with a real diffuser (one in the middle), which turned out to be an excellent move.

In addition to the Real Traps diffuser, there are two mini traps. All three are mounted with 3" brackets off the rear wall, to help with some bass trapping.

I also have High Frequency Micro Traps on either side of my listening position (not pictured).

Hey Steve
How far are your 802D away from you wall front, back and side? Also are those 803D in the back or 804S? They look pretty close as well. Your putting the pressure back on me for some old 802D.. :lol:
Lastly haw far is you seating from your front speakers?

[htsteve]

Hey Steve
How far are your 802D away from you wall front, back and side? Also are those 803D in the back or 804S? They look pretty close as well. Your putting the pressure back on me for some old 802D.. :lol:
Lastly haw far is you seating from your front speakers?

Below are measurements. Front measurements are from the mid range center.

Front Wall to Back of 802D: 25"
Front Wall to Front of 802D: 44"
Side wall to Rear of 802D: 12"
Side Wall to Front of 802D: 18.5"

802D's are 93" apart. I sit 102" from them. Not a perfect triangle, but it works quite well.

804S's are the rear speakers. The midrange is 15" from the back wall, and 22" from the side wall. They are toed in to point to my head at the listening position.


802D's are pretty awesome. Especially with high current and acoustic treatments.


Hope this helps.

[doviiman]

Below are measurements. Front measurements are from the mid range center.

Front Wall to Back of 802D: 25"
Front Wall to Front of 802D: 44"
Side wall to Rear of 802D: 12"
Side Wall to Front of 802D: 18.5"

802D's are 93" apart. I sit 102" from them. Not a perfect triangle, but it works quite well.

804S's are the rear speakers. The midrange is 15" from the back wall, and 22" from the side wall. They are toed in to point to my head at the listening position.


802D's are pretty awesome. Especially with high current and acoustinc treastments.


Hope this helps.

Ok, so you actaully have more space and distance inbetween the speakers and the wall, than what I can actually see in the picture. NICE!
Damn, those 802D are sexy, but my room jsut will not allow propper placement for them,,,It looks like 804D or 803D at best..

[htsteve]

804D or 80D are very nice. Especially the 803D's.