Joke of the day $499 for ethernet cable
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Dontcha know, that snake oil they use is expensive stuff, but it really makes the cable sound better! :B
I tried one of these cables between my router and PC and it makes the internet clearer too! YouTube videos look like HD now! Streamed MP3s take on a new dimension! You thought it was compression artifacts causing your MP3s to sound bad? No, it's those cheapo ethernet cables everyone uses! :lol:- Bottom
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I had printed that page a few years ago and posted it on one of the department head's office door. (He orders all the materials and such). He still has it up on his door. lolB&W 804S/Velodyne SPL-1000R/Anthem MRX720- Bottom
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I just love this quote from a seller of one of the cables for 999.00 dollars on Amazon>
"I bought one, and then upgraded it by wraping the whole cable in platnum foil. In fact I used the excess foil to make this nifty listening hat that also improves sound quality. Hat is optional"
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how many of you paid more then 100$ for a digital cable?
nobody was laughing that you did not use a standard RG58 coax cable used by novell networks and it costs around 2$.
i don't use denon link or know exactly how it works. i don't own any denon stuff, but this is not ethernet that denon is using. its just the same connector as far as i can see.
ethernet doesn't need expensive cables because of the protocol, not because of the quality...
do you use the same speaker cable to your 802D with banana plugs used for fluke digital meters. they look the same. the have the same connector. but they cost less then 10$.
maybe i am wrong, but i just don't see why this cable is different from a digital cardas or audioquest cable bought by many for >>100$- Bottom
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Originally posted by Freekmaybe i am wrong, but i just don't see why this cable is different from a digital cardas or audioquest cable bought by many for >>100$
I've paid $100+ for a silver digital cable, that was hand built with high-quality gold-plated RCA connectors, but I've never paid $500 for a cable with 4 twisted copper pairs and regular plastic RJ45 connectors on each end.
It may not be the ethernet protocol that Denon is using, but that cable sure looks like a standard Cat5/5e/6 ethernet cable. Zoom in on the photo and look at the connector. You can see the colors of the wires, and they have the same colors as a normal Cat5 cable. The pinout is the same as an ethernet cable as well: orange-white, orange, white-green, blue, white-blue, green, white-brown, brown.
Here's the PDF: http://www.usa.denon.com/AK-DL1Lit.pdf
The only difference I can see is that the cable is shielded, and it has higher grade components than a typical ethernet cable. It doesn't look like $500 worth of higher grade though.
I suppose the crucial test is for someone to try this cable with their Denon Link components, and compare it to a regular old $5 ethernet cable and see if there is a difference in performance or sound quality. I'm guessing that the result will be one of these three things:
1) there is no difference in sound quality.
2) There is a difference but not $500 worth of difference
3) The ethernet cable doesn't work at all because Denon made the pinout different.
Even in the case of #3, if the pinout is known, anyone can buy a crimper at Lowes, a box of RJ-45 connectors, a spool of Cat5 and make a few hundred of them for less than the price of one Denon cable.- Bottom
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The pinout is the same for Denon Link as it is for a standard Ethernet patch cable. I've used the cable that came with an older Denon DVD player, which was meant for Denon Link, for a patch cable while troubleshooting a customers system and it worked fine.
I'm a big proponent of good cables but even I have a hard time with this thing.
Eric- Bottom
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What makes it particularly disturbing is that it is not a product from an "audiophile" cable maker, but from DENON, who has enormous design and manufacturing resources, and is able to produce an entire decent Receiver for $500.
Of course, to those that truly believe, it is no joke.
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Originally posted by srbWhat makes it particularly disturbing is that it is not a product from an "audiophile" cable maker, but from DENON, who has enormous design and manufacturing resources, and is able to produce an entire decent Receiver for $500.
They make up for the loss by selling $500 ethernet cables! :B- Bottom
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Yes, denon link uses your standard ethernet protocols and yes, that's essentially a "cat5" cable they're selling.
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^Oh hi there nameless Administrator. I won't link, but I will again say that spending more than 10 dollars on a digital cable (unless it's long or of a rare variety) is silly.
Good day. ♥
ps: Not trying to troll, just trying to help. Money should be spent on buying CDs, not wasted on "gold plated toslinks".
pps: Yeah, I'm done / dropping the subject now. I faintly remember there being a "no cable discussion" rule on the site somewhere.Last edited by numberoneoppa; 28 August 2010, 17:32 Saturday.-Josh
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Yeeaaahhhhh. You're gonna want to research cable posts here before you recommend a cable manufacturer. Just sayin'. I don't see a problem with ethernet cables , per se , but generalizations about cheap stuff being as good as good stuff , can lead to issues.Lee
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Originally posted by AlaricYeeaaahhhhh. You're gonna want to research cable posts here before you recommend a cable manufacturer. Just sayin'. I don't see a problem with ethernet cables , per se , but generalizations about cheap stuff being as good as good stuff , can lead to issues.
Not saying I don't have a pair of silver braid interconnects, but hey, analogue is another beast completely. I wish I had the money for some MIT interconnects.-Josh
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I couldn't help but notice this statement:
"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer."
Are they talking about the bi-directional arrows on the one end and are they claiming that marking the cable improves signal transfer? 8OEmotiva UPA-700 Amp
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