BEWARE!!! hifi-eshop / hifi-eshop.com FAKE B&W SELLERS

[k_alex43]

DO NOT USE DROPSHOP-EXPRESS.COM or HIFI-ESHOP.COM . I WAS JUST SCAMMED OUT OF $3000. TOTAL SCAM NEVER USE THESE GUYS FOR ANYTHING!!!!!

MORE INFO HERE:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Trust-Safety-Safe/Is-There-Anyone/520212039

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Trust-Safety-Safe/Drop-Shop-Express/520192256&#msg523806347

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Trust-Safety-Safe/Drop-Shop-Express/520192256

[vincentvalmer]

hey alex, thanks for posting this! I am truly sorry for your loss. Hope you will ge them back soon.

i was on the same path, on my way to lose money with this one so i'll update this thread with more info. hope it helps future customers to be careful from now on. so, this is the last email i got from them which asks for the funds to be sent somewhere in hungary (europe)

there you go:

Thank you for ordering from HiFi-eShop.com.
Please make the payment for this order as instructed in the Payment Section which you can find below in this email. If payment is not confirmed in 3 days the order will be considered unpaid and it will be canceled. The order will be shipped after the payment is confirmed.
You can check the status of your order by logging into your account. If you have any questions about your order please contact us at sales@hifi-eshop.com.

Your order confirmation is below. Thank you again for choosing to buy from us.

Your Order #100000030 (placed on July 15, 2010)

Payment Method:
Bank Wire Transfer


Account info
Account holder: HiFi eShop Zrt.
Account number: 10300002-10503242-48810011
Sort code: -
Bank name: MKB Bank Zrt.


International
IBAN: HU 28 10300002-10503242-48810011
BIC: SWIFT: MKKBHUHB

Bank Address: Váci u. 38, Budapest, 1056, Hungary

Please confirm payment by emailing the bank transfer receipt to our Sales Dpt. at sales@hifi-eshop.com.
Thank you,
HiFi-eShop.com

Shipping Method:
BAX Global (4-7 days) - Free

Sonus Faber Cremona Elipsa SPK - SFCREM 1 € 3,600.00
Subtotal € 3,600.00
Shipping & Handling € 0.00
Grand Total € 3,600.00

support@hifi-eshop.com
sales@hifi-eshop.com

yeah right =))

this totally scam!!! be careful with these guys!!!

[jthom]

First of all, i would like to ask for appologies to all the community members for turning this thread into a scam alert!
i just noticed the hifi eshop after doing a little research on google. i was moving forward with an order and was going to send around 7000 eur to the bank account earlier mentioned. my order consisted into a B&W 800D pair (almost 7000 eur including shipping !!!)

there is nothing else to say!

please enjoy our full conversation below:


Hello. Do you ship items to UK? I am interested in buying a pair of
bowers wilkins 800D

--

> >
> > First of all thank you for being interested in our products.
> > The B&W 800D are 8 months old and they were used only for demonstration. This
> > kind of speakers are quite hard to find on the actual pre-owned market. They
> > will come with original accessories, manuals, shipping materials and warranty
> > cards. The B&W 800D are in perfect condition, no technical problems in the
> >past,
> > no scratches or dents. The surface is in mint condition. If you will order
> them
> > now the shipping will be free to UK and the speakers will be insured during
> the
> > transit.
> >
> > We also offer a 30 Days Return Policy based on the EU regulations for online
> > commerce in which you can test the products and return them in case you're not
> > satisfied with their condition, performance or quality. Full refund will be
> > issued in 7 days after the request is submitted.
> >
> > In case you have any other questions I'll be glad to further assist you.
> > Thank you,
> > Peter Lehel
> > Support Dpt.
> > HiFi-eShop.com
> >

--

>
> > Hello Peter,
> >
> > Thanks. Can you send me pictures? Are they in mint condition? Do you
> > want payment in Euro or pounds?
> > Where will you ship from?


--

>
> Yes, they are in excellent condition and you can see the real pictures of this
> pair in attachment. Our company is based in Europe, Hungary, Budapest where we
> ship from and you can make the payment how do you want and as easier for you (
> we must receive € 6,699.00 Eur ), the package will have 550 lbs.
> We hope managed to all your questions and we are waiting for your order.
>
> Thank you,
> Peter Lehel
> Support Dpt.
> HiFi-eShop.com
>

---

> Hello again Peter
>
> Thanks for the photos. I'm willing to purchase them through paypal. Please let
> me know what necessary information you may need from me. Will you ship insured?

---
Dear Mr. James,



As we told you before all the products will be fully insured during the transit. Given the high amount involved the payment must be made trough bank/wire transfer to our company bank account. You will order the product and you will receive the payment and shipping instructions automatically by email, just register to our website.



We also offer a 30 Days Return Policy based on the EU regulations for online commerce in which you can test the products and return them in case you're not satisfied with their condition, performance or quality. Full refund will be issued in 7 days after the request is submitted.



Thank you,
Peter Lehel
Support Dpt.
HiFi-eShop.com

[jthom]

and these are the pictures i got...

[jthom]

...,..

[jthom]

WOW, these guys have been really busy...

i've just found 2 other websites they use...

these two are also to be avoided:

www.hifi-plaza.com ( hifi-plaza hifi plaza )

and

www.HiLife-Broker.com ( HiLife-Broker , HiLife Broker )

and there is more and more ...

www.plus-audio.com ( plus-audio , plus audio )

www.BuyAudioHIFI.com ( BuyAudioHIFI )

www.hilifeaudio.com ( hilifeaudio )

[k_alex43]

thanks for your support.

i've investigated and seen they also cheated lots of people with some other expensive products like these...

Wadia 781i CD Player
MBL 101E Piano Black 8700 EUR
alcro DM88 Reference Monoblocks 5900 EUR

I gues they will never be stopped....

[dknightd]

If they are stopped, they'll just change their name and do it again. . .

[RNKC]

Did any of you contact the bank? I would think they would be interested to know that their bank is being used for criminal activities.

[Alaric]

Has anybody considered sending a Guido? Just sayin'...

[brodricj]

WOW...lucky I googled hifi-eshop before I sent 5900 EURO to Budapest for that pair of Halcro DM88. Google landed me in this thread!!

[dan87951]

If its to good to be true it probably is..

[ozatschek]

Can confirm HiFi-eShop.com story

Thanks to all of you! I found ARC preamps online at HiFi-eShop.com incredibly cheap. The email conversation was neary word by word identical to the one in this forum (obviously copy&paste). The payment instructions, account nr and address were the same either. Lucky enough, I googled before sending the money...
Instead of paying I asked for some pictures showing the serial numbers of the preamps, to confirm their age. Instead of the pictures I got a rude answer that it is not their task to serve me, but to tell me how their processes run.
I stopped communication. Next day I got an email that I should pay, or I
could pick up the preamps at an address in Hungary (not the one from the
payment instructions), close to the Romanian border....
I guess I will not travel their with a lot of cash in my pocket...
As someone already said: It was too good to be true...

[k_alex43]

still in business

Well, looks like these guys cannot be stopped...

Their business is still on as I just found another website they just manage.
This time in Germany!

Hi Sounds GMBH - Achtung Betrüger - Warning Scammer !!!

beware!!!

VAT: DE 113891176 - HRB 12394
TEL: +49 (0351) 28278-661
WEB: www.Hi-Sounds.com

Address: Mainzer Landstr. 155
Frankfurt am Main, 60327
Germany

Account Holder: Holgher Kraneis
Bank Name: Commerzbank AG
Bank Address: Hansaplatz 2, Dortmund,
44137, Germany
Account No: 540009800
BLZ: 44040037
IBAN: DE18 440400370540009800
BIC/SWIFT: COBADEFF

Sales Dpt. at: hi-sounds@live.com
sales@hi-sounds.com

I have also sent this info to the German authorities

[dukester]

Thanks for taking time to update.

[k_alex43]

Hifi-expert.com Scam Alert!!! Hifi Expert Gmbh

ANOTHER OBVIOUS SCAM BY THE SAME FRAUDSTERS:

HiFi Expert GMBH
Mainzer Landstr. 155
Frankfurt am Main,Hessen 60327
Germany

http://www.hifi-expert.com

HIFI-EXPERT

BE CAREFUL PEOPLE!

[wettou]

Fake B&W!!!

[kobestonecold]

so what website that ship international i can trust to buy?

[Skyblue]

don't they have b&w sellers in NZ?

[kobestonecold]

they do but cost x3

[madmac]

In a word, "Bank wire transfer" typically means scams. Craigslist is full of them. Read the craigslist "Avoid fraud and scams" section and they are pretty clear about these things and how they are done by scammers.

Sorry you got burned dude !!

[Skyblue]

they do but cost x3

Argh. I guess you need a trustworthy dealer then, that is willing to ship to you. :/

[gene9p]

never ever!! do a wire transfer of money.That in itself is a red flag.See it quite often on Craig's list and occasionally one scammer slips in on Audiogon.com

Sorry you got ripped off, but you have to know you screwed up. Paypal is there for a reason as well as e-bay and audiogon rules.Once you break them ,you are on your own. That being said,may they rot in hell for taking advantage of you!

[Dmantis]

B&W's as far as I know are not sold online. If you want said speakers , go to a local dealer. You also get to see them in person , listen to see if they are truly for you.

It's a win win situation. Yeah you might pay more their then one of these internet deals one my find but you will get a brand new pair full factory warranty and support from said local dealer. All B&W dealers I have ever felt with are full of knowledge and enjoy helping you way after the sale.

[Skyblue]

B&W's as far as I know are not sold online. If you want said speakers , go to a local dealer. You also get to see them in person , listen to see if they are truly for you.

It's a win win situation. Yeah you might pay more their then one of these internet deals one my find but you will get a brand new pair full factory warranty and support from said local dealer. All B&W dealers I have ever felt with are full of knowledge and enjoy helping you way after the sale.

He's not saying he won't buy from a dealer. Its just that his dealers wants 3 times the money for the same product and service. If the product is the same, the service is the same, then I too would look at cost. In this case the difference seems to be substantial. For the difference you could probably fly to Hong Kong, buy the speakers, and ship them home and still save.

If you know someone abroad that you truly trust, then you could ask them to do it for you, saving you the trip.

I personally hate this price differating strategies that the big companies do sometimes. Why does an ipad cost more in europe than in the us? Its shipped from china anyway. Equally, games on steam costs more in europe than in the us. They aren't even shipped at all. Its all a hoax.

B&W should be able to sell their speakers at aproximately the same prices, minus cost to the seller and transport. And shipping fees are at an all time low at the moment.

[gene9p]

well how much is it going to cost him now that he's out all that money?

I f you cannot get a good deal then go somewhere else but know where you are going. I f you cannot afford what you want then look for them used or demos or maybe just realize these speakers are not for you. B&W will not sell online just like many other high end companies but as more stores close that may change to be able to reach out to customers who have no local dealer.

[stevek]

the reason for higher prices over seas is because the currency over there is worthless and the us dollar is headed there soon.its called socialism.printing and spending money that does not exist

[Skyblue]

the reason for higher prices over seas is because the currency over there is worthless and the us dollar is headed there soon.its called socialism.printing and spending money that does not exist

No, thats called inflation. The difference in price even on electronic products is called Price discrimination, and they can do that because they think we are suckers. (we are).

[leo2498]

Hi guys any one know if this seller have good rate in eBay? He could change to other european country? Or are they using paypal?

[Skyblue]

Hi guys any one know if this seller have good rate in eBay? He could change to other european country? Or are they using paypal?

Hifi-eshop is a fake seller as far as I know. Is he on ebay too?

I am not sure what you mean about paypal? We use paypal on ebay in europe too, if that is the question. Ebay owns paypal.

[akhter]

i have a simple rule. for anything that costs over 1000 USD, i but from a local dealer. why? having owned many expensive hifi products, warranty is a must. warranty is usually offered by the local distributor who will not honor warranty and service imports or will charge a lot for it. if i can't afford to buy from the local dealer, then i must accept that i can't afford that item. for big, heavy and expensive and high maintenance items shipping them around for warranty etc is just not worth the hassle for me.

another reason is i do sell stuff after a good few years of usage, and i found that items where i am the original owner and they are locally sourced, usually command a much higher 2nd hand value--something that is not readily apparent during purchase...

I know a lot of people buy both 2nd hand and internationally so there is a huge market (and scammers as well to prey on them) but i am not one of them. as a positive side effect of this, i have developed very good relationships with many local dealers who give me fantastic deals. i actually have dealers who sell me at a price that is 15-20 percent lower than what he writes on the receipt so that when i sell 2nd hand down the line others don't find out that he gives me such a good price. he also gives me fist dibs on latest gear, and crazy discounts the moment new models are announced (and he is allowed to further discount old models) as well as offer home demos.

my point is once you factor in the relationship benefits over a number of years with your local dealer, a deal that may save 20-30% upfront may not be that great after all.

however, if the local dealer is not that great and is charging 3X the usual US/UK list price, then you may be forced to import.

Nothing beats good relationship with the dealer.

[leo2498]

Hi well I saw a very good price for an stand for my 805D and I don't know if could be a scam, the seller have good reputation and he is in italy so I just have a little of scare that it would be a scam, It will be my first buy in ebay and other member of the forums talk about bank transfer scam but no paypall scam so it is possible that it will be a fraud?

[akhter]

Here is how my scam meter works for ebay auction:

1) is it priced too good to be true and is the auction duration short? if yes, then it is a scam probably using a hacked account.

2) if price is within range i.e. not more than 30% away from market, and the duration is atleast 5 days then i look at the feedback. is the feedback good and relevant? if the selling is selling hifi goods atleast periodically then its a good sign. if all the transactions are private or transactions where the seller is a buyer then i stay away.

3) if ratings are good and seem legit then i look at the auction desciption. if it looks geniune i.e. the pics are not from the web (a simple good search will do) and it looks like a normal auction not one listed using some cookie cutter lister then i may consider bidding. again only for smaller ticket item not anything above usd 1000.

4) if its still smells a bit i would usually also ask some annoying question that a normal seller would not agree to as scammer are easy to agree to unreasonable terms...

5) ofcourse paypal is the only way i'll pay...

[Skyblue]

Hi well I saw a very good price for an stand for my 805D and I don't know if could be a scam, the seller have good reputation and he is in italy so I just have a little of scare that it would be a scam, It will be my first buy in ebay and other member of the forums talk about bank transfer scam but no paypall scam so it is possible that it will be a fraud?

Its hard to say isn't it. The hifi-eshop retailer is fake. That is for sure. Just pay paypal, I think that should help..