803d, Htm2d

[ray5]

Hi Guys!
After months of researching,reading and asking questions on this forum I pulled the trigger on 803D L and R, HTM2D, Rotel RB1091, RB 1092 and RSP 1570 and Transparent cables.
Agonized a lot on the sub, but heard 803D's again today and felt impressed with it so will wait a while and see if I need it. They really have a good LF sounds. Ran out of funds so will wait a bit and get the rears, likely 805S.
I'd like to thank you all for such great help, particularly HTSTEVE.
Ray

[ShadowZA]

Congratulations on your new awesome system, Ray!
Get ready to enjoy! :T :T :T

[KyaDawn]

Sounds like a great set-up! :T

I'm running 802Ds as my fronts and 805Ss as the rears and driving the 802Ds with the Rotel 1092 as well. Personally, for my room, I haven't found a huge need for a subwoofer. The 802Ds, and the 803Ds I imagine, provide good bass down to 35Hz, and I think that's fine for most music and generally for films. Of course, you don't get that 20-35Hz that the sub will provide, but I don't miss it, and as my room is largely untreated, I find my 802Ds provide a great overall tonal balance with the lower frequencies, as I've had trouble in the past integrating my sub with my previous system perfectly for all types of sources.

To each his own though, for some rooms and tastes, a subwoofer definitely is an improvement, but with the quality of the speakers that you have, I don't think you are missing much. I would definitely recommend the 805Ss as rears when you are ready. :B I demoed them as fronts as well and they were great, but they are really incredible as surrounds! :T

[ray5]

Sounds like a great set-up! :T

I'm running 802Ds as my fronts and 805Ss as the rears and driving the 802Ds with the Rotel 1092 as well. Personally, for my room, I haven't found a huge need for a subwoofer. The 802Ds, and the 803Ds I imagine, provide good bass down to 35Hz, and I think that's fine for most music and generally for films. Of course, you don't get that 20-35Hz that the sub will provide, but I don't miss it, and as my room is largely untreated, I find my 802Ds provide a great overall tonal balance with the lower frequencies, as I've had trouble in the past integrating my sub with my previous system perfectly for all types of sources.

To each his own though, for some rooms and tastes, a subwoofer definitely is an improvement, but with the quality of the speakers that you have, I don't think you are missing much. I would definitely recommend the 805Ss as rears when you are ready. :B I demoed them as fronts as well and they were great, but they are really incredible as surrounds! :T

Thanks. I agree.The bass response was excellent. My dealer gave me a very good deal, so for a bit was tempted to go for the 802D's but having crawled up from the 600 series starting in October I felt I am overdoing it. I think for my need 803D is way more. Besids most people felt thatif I go for the 802D's I would have to go for better electronic i.e Classe or Mcintosh which I could not afford nor did I want to.
I'll most likely go for the 805S as rears except that I'll need stands and the 805 stands are overpriced!
Ray

[KyaDawn]

Thanks. I agree.The bass response was excellent. My dealer gave me a very good deal, so for a bit was tempted to go for the 802D's but having crawled up from the 600 series starting in October I felt I am overdoing it. I think for my need 803D is way more. Besids most people felt thatif I go for the 802D's I would have to go for better electronic i.e Classe or Mcintosh which I could not afford nor did I want to.
I'll most likely go for the 805S as rears except that I'll need stands and the 805 stands are overpriced!
Ray

Well, the 803D is a great speaker, but the 802D powered with the same electronics will still be better! :B Whether that difference is worth it to you cost-wise is an entirely different matter, and certainly similar to me thinking about getting 800Ds. :P In my case, the 800Ds are too big for my room anyway, so easy call! Yes, the 805 stands are over-priced, but work and look great! :T Though I'm pretty sure that you can find alternative stands that cost much less and work the same.

[ray5]

Well, the 803D is a great speaker, but the 802D powered with the same electronics will still be better! :B Whether that difference is worth it to you cost-wise is an entirely different matter, and certainly similar to me thinking about getting 800Ds. :P In my case, the 800Ds are too big for my room anyway, so easy call! Yes, the 805 stands are over-priced, but work and look great! :T Though I'm pretty sure that you can find alternative stands that cost much less and work the same.

You're right there. I guess I was stretching my budget anyway, so for now I think I have done well and am satisfied. The money I saved from not going to the 802D will be used to buy the rears, an amp for them(1565),blu-ray, Universal remote etc. Do you or anyone else use a different stand for the 805S?
Thanks,
Ray

[KyaDawn]

The 805S is an uniquely shaped speaker, and the stand was designed to fit it perfectly, so it would be hard to find another stand that fits as good. But here are a couple of suggestions I found on another forum that someone suggested for the 805S that are MUCH less expensive. Don't know how well they will work though!

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/443

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/4595

[ray5]

The 805S is an uniquely shaped speaker, and the stand was designed to fit it perfectly, so it would be hard to find another stand that fits as good. But here are a couple of suggestions I found on another forum that someone suggested for the 805S that are MUCH less expensive. Don't know how well they will work though!

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/443

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/p...roduct_ID/4595

Thanks, will take a look.
Ray

[beden1]

I think you'll find as I have, and many others who own the 803Ds and HTM2D , is that once you get to the point of matching the right electronics to your speakers, any benefit you will get from moving up to the 802Ds will be very small.

[ray5]

I think you'll find as I have, and many others who own the 803Ds and HTM2D , is that once you get to the point of matching the right electronics to your speakers, any benefit you will get from moving up to the 802Ds will be very small.

Thanks. It was not easy for me to not take the 802D's! I listened and read and did feel that for me the extra premium for the 802D's did not give me commensurate improvement. I am sure they are better but for me it was not worth the extra five grand. At one point I almost shelled out the money but held back and I am glad I did. I was able to spend for better amps and cables than originally planned and a better long term investment. Thanks to you guys! I am waiting for them to arrive.
Ray

[style]

Hi Ray,

I had a Rotel RB1092x2 + RB1091 : the 1092 to drive the B&W803D, the other Rb1092 to drive my rear 805S -> they have replaced a 703..and i'm happy with the 805S, more vs. the 703. with the 1091 I have the htm2d under control...pre was Rsp1068.... :T

now I have the combo Classe SSP800&CA5200, but the B&W setup 803D, Htm2D and 805S is great! I use a B&W original stand for the 805.

If I go change my front (L&R) speakers I go with a 802D and the 803d going for the rear. = all D speaker and will be very "balanced" system...

for the stand I will go with the original B&W: are more expensive but are important to have a good place for the speakers....myave in second hand?!


Good choice
Style

[ray5]

Hi Ray,

I had a Rotel RB1092x2 + RB1091 : the 1092 to drive the B&W803D, the other Rb1092 to drive my rear 805S -> they have replaced a 703..and i'm happy with the 805S, more vs. the 703. with the 1091 I have the htm2d under control...pre was Rsp1068.... :T

now I have the combo Classe SSP800&CA5200, but the B&W setup 803D, Htm2D and 805S is great! I use a B&W original stand for the 805.

If I go change my front (L&R) speakers I go with a 802D and the 803d going for the rear. = all D speaker and will be very "balanced" system...

for the stand I will go with the original B&W: are more expensive but are important to have a good place for the speakers....myave in second hand?!


Good choice
Style

Yes, I agree. I am going to go with the original stands, it's never good when you start skimping on these things in the long run. Or I might put in a bit more and go with the 804S as rears. For now the plan is to get the Rotel 1565 to drive my surrounds, they are 5x100wpc and I think would be sufficient for the rears and sides when I add them.I wanted to give the fronts real juice to get optimum out of them so went with the 1092-1091 combo. I was really impressed with the combo of the 803D and 1092! The bass impressed me enough not to buy a sub at this time, maybe later maybe never! We'll see.
Ray

[ray5]

HI! What is the difference between the 1072 and the new 1572? They are both class D and 100wpcx2.

[KyaDawn]

Hi Ray,

I had a Rotel RB1092x2 + RB1091 : the 1092 to drive the B&W803D, the other Rb1092 to drive my rear 805S -> they have replaced a 703..and i'm happy with the 805S, more vs. the 703. with the 1091 I have the htm2d under control...pre was Rsp1068.... :T

now I have the combo Classe SSP800&CA5200, but the B&W setup 803D, Htm2D and 805S is great! I use a B&W original stand for the 805.

If I go change my front (L&R) speakers I go with a 802D and the 803d going for the rear. = all D speaker and will be very "balanced" system...

for the stand I will go with the original B&W: are more expensive but are important to have a good place for the speakers....myave in second hand?!


Good choice
Style

Hey style, I'm interested in knowing what are the differences you hear between your current Classe set-up and your previous Rotel system? I'm using the Rotel 1092 now, but am looking to upgrade to Classe down the line. Thanks for your help. :T

[kmcheng]

Hey style, I'm interested in knowing what are the differences you hear between your current Classe set-up and your previous Rotel system? I'm using the Rotel 1092 now, but am looking to upgrade to Classe down the line. Thanks for your help. :T

Wow, KyaDawn, upgraditis never ends. There are only two ways to cure it.

1. Never try to find out what a more expensive piece of gear might do. At least, pretend that you are not interested in finding out.

2. Spend the money already and get the ultimate gear you want now.

I learned from my own experience that upgrading and changing my gears is more expensive and troublesome than either of the two options above, but I think you know this very well already.

That way the only upgrade you will need in the future is when B&W comes out with a new version of 802D to replace your current ones. :W

[style]

Hi Ray,

if you can have the 804s at very interestingprice ok but if no go with the 805!

the 804S are sure bigger...in dimension but the dprice diffeence between 804 and 805 dont have the same value as $$$!!

save your money or buy cables....but the 805S is really a great speaker!

I dont will replace my 805 with a 804...make not sense really.

More people say you: hey the 804 have a lot more bass! but you will be surprised from what the 805 give in performance..

in others european Forum a lot of s channel fan they are pro 805S vs. 804S.
can be strange but i so.

@kmcheng:

from Rotel to classe is a lot of dirfference: the Classe (with all respect from Rotel prducts) is really amazing.
the XLR with little/short cables is very important, the CA5200 is a monsters! 55kg.POWER ampli! the 200watt Classe are very different vs. the 500w. from Rotel.

The CA5200 give you a sound very clean, the 803d sound like never. in the first time I had in programm to change the 803D -> upgrade to 802D but when I have recieved the SSP and my system placed the 820D is my last target!
many SSP posseror wehn rhey have placed the SSP have recieved a "bang" from your 803d or other B&W (and other speakers brand!)
well the combo SSP&CA5200 is not a little $$$ but if you have the HT/hifi n your blood pay really go the a really high end.
I have tested others brands (Denon, MCintosh, Krell,..) but the Classe product give you a great service after sales, a product "for the life" :T :T

return to Rotel: the new 15 series is sure a very good product!
at todayif I "muss" buy a Rotel I thin that the ampli is sure the 5x250 with the Rsp1570.
I have interess the new 1098 in serie 15: will give more vs. the 1570 or wil have "only a display" inside?
the Rsx1560 (7x100) pus a RB1572 (2x250) can be a valid other possibility.
the new reciever 5x100 dont like me: the pieces used the the construction (exmple speaker connectors) are not at the level from a the big beother 7x100, and other parts like a little low level...

greetings from Switzerland
Style

[KyaDawn]

Wow, KyaDawn, upgraditis never ends. There are only two ways to cure it.

1. Never try to find out what a more expensive piece of gear might do. At least, pretend that you are not interested in finding out.

2. Spend the money already and get the ultimate gear you want now.

I learned from my own experience that upgrading and changing my gears is more expensive and troublesome than either of the two options above, but I think you know this very well already.

That way the only upgrade you will need in the future is when B&W comes out with a new version of 802D to replace your current ones. :W

Yes, that's true! :T Actually, I don't feel any need whatsoever at the moment to change my system, I'm that happy with it, but I can definitely see down the line of switching things up, just to see if I can squeeze more out of my 802Ds. Your suggestions are right on the money :B, but unfortunately, I already broke Rule 1 when I was shopping! I did hear a few different Classe amps which I thought were great, very warm sounding and the Omegas made the 802Ds incredibly "open", but I was satisfied with the Rotel's leaner sound and tighter bass, and it was a good price! Down the line, I definitely see myself trying out some Class A or A/B amps, whether it's Classe or another brand.

Rule 2 is indeed the smartest way to go, except it's hard to find the "ultimate"! Even if I bought the Omegas, then I would be wondering about Goldmunds and so forth. :B Maybe it wouldn't even be an improvement, but there is always that wondering! But I definitely applied your Rule 2 to my choice of speakers, the 802Ds were at the top-end of what I wanted and for the size of my room. 800Ds would have been great, but too big for my room, and after hearing them, totally unnecessary for my space! I had seriously considered the 803Ds, and before that the 803S and 804S, but in the end, the 802Ds were my "ultimate" target and I went for it! The great thing is that while I may have paid a premium for them over the 803Ds, which I loved and thought sounded so similar to the 802Ds during auditioning, there is no doubt whatsover in my mind that I made the right choice!

Hi Ray,

if you can have the 804s at very interestingprice ok but if no go with the 805!

the 804S are sure bigger...in dimension but the dprice diffeence between 804 and 805 dont have the same value as $$$!!

save your money or buy cables....but the 805S is really a great speaker!

I dont will replace my 805 with a 804...make not sense really.

More people say you: hey the 804 have a lot more bass! but you will be surprised from what the 805 give in performance..

in others european Forum a lot of s channel fan they are pro 805S vs. 804S.
can be strange but i so.

@kmcheng:

from Rotel to classe is a lot of dirfference: the Classe (with all respect from Rotel prducts) is really amazing.
the XLR with little/short cables is very important, the CA5200 is a monsters! 55kg.POWER ampli! the 200watt Classe are very different vs. the 500w. from Rotel.

The CA5200 give you a sound very clean, the 803d sound like never. in the first time I had in programm to change the 803D -> upgrade to 802D but when I have recieved the SSP and my system placed the 820D is my last target!
many SSP posseror wehn rhey have placed the SSP have recieved a "bang" from your 803d or other B&W (and other speakers brand!)
well the combo SSP&CA5200 is not a little $$$ but if you have the HT/hifi n your blood pay really go the a really high end.
I have tested others brands (Denon, MCintosh, Krell,..) but the Classe product give you a great service after sales, a product "for the life" :T :T

return to Rotel: the new 15 series is sure a very good product!
at todayif I "muss" buy a Rotel I thin that the ampli is sure the 5x250 with the Rsp1570.
I have interess the new 1098 in serie 15: will give more vs. the 1570 or wil have "only a display" inside?
the Rsx1560 (7x100) pus a RB1572 (2x250) can be a valid other possibility.
the new reciever 5x100 dont like me: the pieces used the the construction (exmple speaker connectors) are not at the level from a the big beother 7x100, and other parts like a little low level...

greetings from Switzerland
Style

Thanks Style, I think the second half of your reply was addressed to me. Sounds like you really love your Classe amps! When you say they sound "clean", is that compared to your old 1092? Also, do you find that the 200 wpc of the Classe more than enough for your 803Ds? That is, compared to the 500 wpc of the Rotel, do you think the 1092 gave your 803Ds more headroom, or did it not matter at all? Thanks again for your insight! :T

[beden1]

I think all of the 800D series B&W speakers benefit with dedicated Classe mono amps. My CAM-350's are wonderful with the 803D's.

[ray5]

Hi Ray,

if you can have the 804s at very interestingprice ok but if no go with the 805!

the 804S are sure bigger...in dimension but the dprice diffeence between 804 and 805 dont have the same value as $$$!!

save your money or buy cables....but the 805S is really a great speaker!

I dont will replace my 805 with a 804...make not sense really.

More people say you: hey the 804 have a lot more bass! but you will be surprised from what the 805 give in performance..

in others european Forum a lot of s channel fan they are pro 805S vs. 804S.
can be strange but i so.

@kmcheng:

from Rotel to classe is a lot of dirfference: the Classe (with all respect from Rotel prducts) is really amazing.
the XLR with little/short cables is very important, the CA5200 is a monsters! 55kg.POWER ampli! the 200watt Classe are very different vs. the 500w. from Rotel.

The CA5200 give you a sound very clean, the 803d sound like never. in the first time I had in programm to change the 803D -> upgrade to 802D but when I have recieved the SSP and my system placed the 820D is my last target!
many SSP posseror wehn rhey have placed the SSP have recieved a "bang" from your 803d or other B&W (and other speakers brand!)
well the combo SSP&CA5200 is not a little $$$ but if you have the HT/hifi n your blood pay really go the a really high end.
I have tested others brands (Denon, MCintosh, Krell,..) but the Classe product give you a great service after sales, a product "for the life" :T :T

return to Rotel: the new 15 series is sure a very good product!
at todayif I "muss" buy a Rotel I thin that the ampli is sure the 5x250 with the Rsp1570.
I have interess the new 1098 in serie 15: will give more vs. the 1570 or wil have "only a display" inside?
the Rsx1560 (7x100) pus a RB1572 (2x250) can be a valid other possibility.
the new reciever 5x100 dont like me: the pieces used the the construction (exmple speaker connectors) are not at the level from a the big beother 7x100, and other parts like a little low level...

greetings from Switzerland
Style

Thanks. In fact before I went for the 803D's I did seriously consider the 805S as my fronts! Then drooled all over and settled for the 803D as I felt they were best for my needs and best bang for the buck! I'll spend sometime with my fronts before I get my rears(to replenish the coffers!)
It's good to know your experience has been good with them as rears. More than likely I'll do the same and am looking forward to enjoying The Dark Knight Blu-ray in full surround!!!

[style]

Hi KyaDawn,
sorry for confusiuon ops:

yes, was for you.
another yes for the CA5200 compared at RB1092...but I say you thaht I had a Mcintosh MC205 too (5x200) but I dont like the Mcintosh..is a perosnal taste.
200watt enough for the 803D -> I will have all what you will and more!
other CA5200 possesor are very happy with the combo CA5200 & B&W803D!!
is not how much watt you have but the quality!!

I have a 5.1 system in a room long ca 10meters and 5.8meters bret...i use the half for this "room" for my system but the CA5200 is amazing: I can promis yu that the 200watt from classe are very differnt vs. the 500watt rotel
(classe A /AB vs. D /digital/ ampli)
Beden have the front like me: he have too the 820d is the head but with thtge SSP800 the changing speaker is no more a urgent target: I can say you that that with the new Classe premapli the 803d have never delivered so a graet sound!
the member MJB have the combo classe in the head but is money..I noz a milionar and with "critical decision I have the SSP&CA5200 at home.
Mjb have buyed the combo rotel rsp1570&rnb1575 (5x250) abd he drice the 802D with the Rotel: from what I was he is very happy and the 802D are enough powered.

Sure with a speaker with these more watts are always welcome but not required!

I don't like the bi-amping but with the 803D or better 802D 2x CAM400 or 2 x CA2200 in biamping?
The best performance have you from the 2 CA2200and my frined from Classe
is from the avis.

-----------------

Ray: I have connect my 805S as main in place from the 803D.
I'm very impressed from what this 805s give you! for me is one of the best "small" spekaer today available.


Style

[garak]

Hey style, I'm interested in knowing what are the differences you hear between your current Classe set-up and your previous Rotel system? I'm using the Rotel 1092 now, but am looking to upgrade to Classe down the line. Thanks for your help. :T

Hi KyaDawn,

Style and I have similar systems, and both of us have done similar upgrades. I also have 803Ds, and HTM2D. I initially powered them with Rotel 1069 and RMB-1077. I had the 803Ds bi-amped.

I've since moved to the SSP-800 and CA-5200. And I can say that I was truly amazed at the difference. With the Classe, there is a fuller range of sound. There is greater detail and clarity. Perhaps the biggest difference is in the depth and width of the soundstage - with the Classe, the soundstage is expansive. With the Classe, I feel like I am at the performance.

If/when you do decide to upgrade to Classe, I am certain you'll be very happy with it.

[ray5]

Hi KyaDawn,
sorry for confusiuon ops:

yes, was for you.
another yes for the CA5200 compared at RB1092...but I say you thaht I had a Mcintosh MC205 too (5x200) but I dont like the Mcintosh..is a perosnal taste.
200watt enough for the 803D -> I will have all what you will and more!
other CA5200 possesor are very happy with the combo CA5200 & B&W803D!!
is not how much watt you have but the quality!!

I have a 5.1 system in a room long ca 10meters and 5.8meters bret...i use the half for this "room" for my system but the CA5200 is amazing: I can promis yu that the 200watt from classe are very differnt vs. the 500watt rotel
(classe A /AB vs. D /digital/ ampli)
Beden have the front like me: he have too the 820d is the head but with thtge SSP800 the changing speaker is no more a urgent target: I can say you that that with the new Classe premapli the 803d have never delivered so a graet sound!
the member MJB have the combo classe in the head but is money..I noz a milionar and with "critical decision I have the SSP&CA5200 at home.
Mjb have buyed the combo rotel rsp1570&rnb1575 (5x250) abd he drice the 802D with the Rotel: from what I was he is very happy and the 802D are enough powered.

Sure with a speaker with these more watts are always welcome but not required!

I don't like the bi-amping but with the 803D or better 802D 2x CAM400 or 2 x CA2200 in biamping?
The best performance have you from the 2 CA2200and my frined from Classe
is from the avis.

-----------------

Ray: I have connect my 805S as main in place from the 803D.
I'm very impressed from what this 805s give you! for me is one of the best "small" spekaer today available.


Style

Thanks.

[ray5]

Since I am getting the fronts only for now, I am planning to do the setup myself and when I finally get the rears then get the system calibrated. Does that sound like a reasonable plan? How difficult or easy is it to setup? Does everyone have their system installed professionally?
Ray

[garak]

Sounds like a good plan. Setting up by yourself is not difficult. When I got my 803Ds and HTM2D, I placed them and set them up myself.

[ray5]

Sounds like a good plan. Setting up by yourself is not difficult. When I got my 803Ds and HTM2D, I placed them and set them up myself.

Thanks. Any suggestions about of the unboxing the speakers? I'll have another pair of hands for sure!
Ray

[style]

8O Hallo garak long time with PM'? he !!

I agree with you:
Ray with a Classe SSP800 the last fo your problem is the "professional" rear placing...
I have like garak the 803D and HTM22d front, SSP800&CA5200. I have 805S and garak 804s...

I can repaet the same word as garak: I have yoursels the speaker placed:
the SSP8000 make a qonder job yourseld: with a little "2 click"on the display
and the rear make you wonder!. all the 5 speakers sound very great, if you have a SPL can can onther exrta make but I can say that ia realy simply.

in this lasr day I have worked over a Pioneer Susano..: 8O a reciever from (eurpopa) €. 6500 ca. with a performance from a 5x20watt!!
A real disappiont over this top of Pioneer product. this receiver was for my friend: he have buyed plasma 6090+5090+player 71 & 51, 2 pioneer 32"" for the toilette.. oke, he don't have $$$ problems but this Susano i have had at my ohme fior a paar day and is really a ""hit reciever: Ihr dont will nomore see this reciever at home .. he will go with Rotel...but he say at the dealer: before I speake with Omar and if Omer say that right i go buy the product..
(we have the same deaker and can you immmagine what was the face from the dealer..)



how much is your room?
You will go with Classe or Rotel?

Omar_Style

[ray5]

8O Hallo garak long time with PM'? he !!

I agree with you:
Ray with a Classe SSP800 the last fo your problem is the "professional" rear placing...
I have like garak the 803D and HTM22d front, SSP800&CA5200. I have 805S and garak 804s...

I can repaet the same word as garak: I have yoursels the speaker placed:
the SSP8000 make a qonder job yourseld: with a little "2 click"on the display
and the rear make you wonder!. all the 5 speakers sound very great, if you have a SPL can can onther exrta make but I can say that ia realy simply.

in this lasr day I have worked over a Pioneer Susano..: 8O a reciever from (eurpopa) €. 6500 ca. with a performance from a 5x20watt!!
A real disappiont over this top of Pioneer product. this receiver was for my friend: he have buyed plasma 6090+5090+player 71 & 51, 2 pioneer 32"" for the toilette.. oke, he don't have $$$ problems but this Susano i have had at my ohme fior a paar day and is really a ""hit reciever: Ihr dont will nomore see this reciever at home .. he will go with Rotel...but he say at the dealer: before I speake with Omar and if Omer say that right i go buy the product..
(we have the same deaker and can you immmagine what was the face from the dealer..)



how much is your room?
You will go with Classe or Rotel?

Omar_Style

Thanks. My room is 24' by 21' with 13' cathedral celings. The back of the room partially is open to my dining area, approx. 16' is open. I am going with Rotel 1570 as pre/pro and then 1091 and 1092 as amps for now and when I get the rears, either another 1092 or the new 1565, thinking of the future to add speakers for a full 7 speaker system. For now and maybe all the time will not be getting a sub. Just could not make myslef shell out so much more for Classe or Mcintosh. Mabe in the future. This being my true first genuine music system/HT. I own a Bose currently .Want some money left over for a universal remote. Any particular preferrences of yours?

[style]

Hi Ray,

if you have the Rotel RB1092/RB1091 are very perfomance ampli.
i have the 2 powerampli too. Keep they at home.

well, you will make a 7 cahnnel system: the Rsp1570 is sure a choice without surprise. If you the possiblity the go to Classe I will go with a CA3200 to fdrive the 3 fronts and a SSP. Sure is expensive but garak and I we have made the pugrade from the Rotel to Classe: amazing!
I ha the "old"rsp1068" with 2x RB1092 and a RB1091 for the center: 5x 500watt.
now I have a 5x200 but the Classe watt are another dinemsion vs. 500watt Rotel!!!
The new Rotel pre that will replace the 1098 will come: sure a good pre but the Classe SSP in stereo and HT too dont have concurrent!
the Pio Susano is a real disappointed , the Denon top model (only pre) will be better but at first go make a 5 channel system: a great, good 5 system system.
7 channel is not a system so necessary at home, I go have a "discrete" 7 channel system or s great 5channel system.. is a you to decide...

The Rotel RB 1091/92 is a good ampli but sorry I put to Classe becouse I have a very great performance abd you dont go change your system for a lot of years!!!
For the L/R a CA2200 will give you a very great sound:
the pre rotel 1570, a Classe CA2200 or better CA3200 and a Rotel rmb 1575 or a Rotel 5x100 for the rear!

What for speakers you do drive?

Omar

[ray5]

Hi Ray,

if you have the Rotel RB1092/RB1091 are very perfomance ampli.
i have the 2 powerampli too. Keep they at home.

well, you will make a 7 cahnnel system: the Rsp1570 is sure a choice without surprise. If you the possiblity the go to Classe I will go with a CA3200 to fdrive the 3 fronts and a SSP. Sure is expensive but garak and I we have made the pugrade from the Rotel to Classe: amazing!
I ha the "old"rsp1068" with 2x RB1092 and a RB1091 for the center: 5x 500watt.
now I have a 5x200 but the Classe watt are another dinemsion vs. 500watt Rotel!!!
The new Rotel pre that will replace the 1098 will come: sure a good pre but the Classe SSP in stereo and HT too dont have concurrent!
the Pio Susano is a real disappointed , the Denon top model (only pre) will be better but at first go make a 5 channel system: a great, good 5 system system.
7 channel is not a system so necessary at home, I go have a "discrete" 7 channel system or s great 5channel system.. is a you to decide...

The Rotel RB 1091/92 is a good ampli but sorry I put to Classe becouse I have a very great performance abd you dont go change your system for a lot of years!!!
For the L/R a CA2200 will give you a very great sound:
the pre rotel 1570, a Classe CA2200 or better CA3200 and a Rotel rmb 1575 or a Rotel 5x100 for the rear!

What for speakers you do drive?

Omar

Omar,
I am waiting for my 803D's and HTM2D to arrive. I am sure that Classe is good, but for a regular consumer who is naive to this high end gear I don't think I could make out the difference between Rotel, Classe and Mac if blinded to them. I listened to Rotel, liked what I heard and that was enough for me. I am sure in a few years time the upgrade itch will strike but I will be happy till then.
Secondly, Classe is so expensive that for the price of the SSP 800 and the CA 3200 I am getting all my gear currently which includes the above mentioned speakers, electronics and cables etc.
I do get impressed when you guys mention the difference but I guess you spend a lot more time doing critical listening than I do or potentially will do.I arrived at the current configuration after months of evaluation, really starting at the 600 series speakers and a receiver to this. that itself was a 4-5 fold increase in costs. I just can't afford a further increase nor do I feel the need at this time.
Thanks for the input though.
Ray

[wettou]

I am sure that Classe is good, but for a regular consumer who is naive to this high end gear I don't think I could make out the difference between Rotel, Classe and Mac if blinded to them. I listened to Rotel, liked what I heard and that was enough for me. I am sure in a few years time the upgrade itch will strike but I will be happy till then.
Secondly, Classe is so expensive that for the price of the SSP 800 and the CA 3200 I am getting all my gear currently which includes the above mentioned speakers, electronics and cables etc.

Good for you Ray don't let them push you into somethings you don't need or can hear a difference.

I do get impressed when you guys mention the difference but I guess you spend a lot more time doing critical listening than I do or potentially will do.

The problem with the High End is that there is no limit you can always spend more plus it becomes an addiction!!

I arrived at the current configuration after months of evaluation, really starting at the 600 series speakers and a receiver to this. that itself was a 4-5 fold increase in costs. I just can't afford a further increase nor do I feel the need at this time. Thanks for the input though. Ray

and also remember this:

How much can I expect in room design and treatment versus, say, spending the same money on better speakers or amplifiers?

"Once your system reaches what the industry calls "mid-fi" quality or better, the weakest link in your playback chain is almost certainly your acoustical environment and/or your system's interface with it. That's because, if you sit more than 2 or 3 feet away from the speakers, you're in what acousticians call the "far-field," where the majority of sound comes to you indirectly, from the room, not directly from the speakers. Because speakers spread sound in many directions, not just directly at you, the room acts like a big filter, selectively exaggerating some sounds, softening others, and spatially scrambling that nice, smooth response you thought you were getting when you first heard them in the dealer's soundroom.

The upshot is that it's usually far more cost effective to spend money on at least some room analysis and treatment than it is to upgrade speakers, amps, and the like. It turns out that once your room "behaves" acoustically, you'll be able to get your money's worth out of your new audio purchases.

[ray5]

Good for you Ray don't let them push you into somethings you don't need or can hear a difference.



The problem with the High End is that there is no limit you can always spend more plus it becomes an addiction!!



and also remember this:

How much can I expect in room design and treatment versus, say, spending the same money on better speakers or amplifiers?

"Once your system reaches what the industry calls "mid-fi" quality or better, the weakest link in your playback chain is almost certainly your acoustical environment and/or your system's interface with it. That's because, if you sit more than 2 or 3 feet away from the speakers, you're in what acousticians call the "far-field," where the majority of sound comes to you indirectly, from the room, not directly from the speakers. Because speakers spread sound in many directions, not just directly at you, the room acts like a big filter, selectively exaggerating some sounds, softening others, and spatially scrambling that nice, smooth response you thought you were getting when you first heard them in the dealer's soundroom.

The upshot is that it's usually far more cost effective to spend money on at least some room analysis and treatment than it is to upgrade speakers, amps, and the like. It turns out that once your room "behaves" acoustically, you'll be able to get your money's worth out of your new audio purchases.

Thanks.
Ray

[style]

Hi Ray,

Make the combo Rsp1570 & Rmb1575.

i have listen this one today: the new D (digital) Rmb 1575 is another thing
vs. the "old" RB1092....

Mike (mjb) have say me that was a very amazing combo: Iagree 100%.

Go with it, you will be very happy.promise :T :T

Omar

[garak]

Thanks. Any suggestions about of the unboxing the speakers? I'll have another pair of hands for sure!
Ray

Hi Ray,

Just follow the pictures on the box. If you do that, you should be fine.

@style,

Hi Omar,

Yeah, it's been a while. Hope things are going well for you.

[garak]

Good for you Ray don't let them push you into somethings you don't need or can hear a difference.

We weren't pushing him. He asked some questions, and we gave our opinions.

[VladP]

Hi Ray,

Make the combo Rsp1570 & Rmb1575.

i have listen this one today: the new D (digital) Rmb 1575 is another thing
vs. the "old" RB1092....

Mike (mjb) have say me that was a very amazing combo: Iagree 100%.

Go with it, you will be very happy.promise :T :T

Omar

Both RMB 1575 and RMB 1092 are class D and both I think use ICE power modules, so it is not clear why 1575 would be much better. 1092 has twice the power so I would think it would be better.

Another option to consider would be Wyred 4 sound amps. They have been reviewed very favorably and compared to BelCanto amps. A few reviewers liked them as much or more than Classe for B&W 802D's. These amps are made by Cullen research well known for their mods. These amps cost less than Rotels (because of direct selling via internet) and have been said to be very competitive to any amp under $10,000.

[ray5]

Both RMB 1575 and RMB 1092 are class D and both I think use ICE power modules, so it is not clear why 1575 would be much better. 1092 has twice the power so I would think it would be better.

Yes, even though the 1575 does not at least say they use ICE power, they do. This is per my dealer. My initial choice was the 1575 but changed to the 1092 because they are stereo amps and twice the power output. I realize that not all power is the same. I plan to use the 1565 for my rears to eventually a 7.1 system in the future.
Ray

[ray5]

Had another moment of insanity. As I wait for the speakers and electronics still, my dealer said that if I wanted I could upgrade from the 803D to 802D for an additional $3300. I know it is a lot of money but I am looking at it from a long term perspective. The elcetronics will remain the same. What do you guys think? I love the 803D and would be happy with them but...............

[Relentless]

If you want the 802D's and you go with the 803D's you will always wonder "what if" and it will eat at you while listening to your system. It will be cheaper to get what you want at first then to take a hit selling the 803 and buying the 802 later. Just my experience. Either setup will sound great. You have to let your ears decide.

[specialized]

If you want the 802D's and you go with the 803D's you will always wonder "what if" and it will eat at you while listening to your system. It will be cheaper to get what you want at first then to take a hit selling the 803 and buying the 802 later. Just my experience. Either setup will sound great. You have to let your ears decide.

That's why i stopped on 803s. I realized that if i go for 803D, then i'll definitly pay extra to have 802D. So i decided at the end 803s, then next jump 802d.

So if u can spend extra money go for 802D. I think they are really sweet spot in High End speakers.

Darko

[kmcheng]

If you want the 802D's and you go with the 803D's you will always wonder "what if" and it will eat at you while listening to your system. It will be cheaper to get what you want at first then to take a hit selling the 803 and buying the 802 later. Just my experience. Either setup will sound great. You have to let your ears decide.

On the other hand if you go and audition the 802D at the dealer and could not distinguish it from the 803D, then you can save yourself the $3300 (and buy a different toy).

I will be honest: I could not really tell the difference between the 803D and the 802D when I was at the dealer. Therefore, even though I love the look of the Marlin head, I went with the 803D.

Another confession: I could hear quite a difference between the signature diamonds and the 803D/802D. However, I could not tell which sound l liked better. Therefore, I went with the 803D. There are also not enough zeros in my bank account for the signature diamonds anyway.

[ray5]

On the other hand if you go and audition the 802D at the dealer and could not distinguish it from the 803D, then you can save yourself the $3300 (and buy a different toy).

I will be honest: I could not really tell the difference between the 803D and the 802D when I was at the dealer. Therefore, even though I love the look of the Marlin head, I went with the 803D.

Another confession: I could hear quite a difference between the signature diamonds and the 803D/802D. However, I could not tell which sound l liked better. Therefore, I went with the 803D. There are also not enough zeros in my bank account for the signature diamonds anyway.

:lol: You are right. Though I did hear a difference between the speakers. I could not differentiate between the amps when driving the same speakers i.e rotel v/s Mac.The bass was spectacular and vocals where smooth and distinct. Though I don't know how much but I am sure there is an element of awe involved too but hopefully and probably not enough to justify the additional expense!

[ray5]

Well, the 803D is a great speaker, but the 802D powered with the same electronics will still be better! :B Whether that difference is worth it to you cost-wise is an entirely different matter, and certainly similar to me thinking about getting 800Ds. :P In my case, the 800Ds are too big for my room anyway, so easy call! Yes, the 805 stands are over-priced, but work and look great! :T Though I'm pretty sure that you can find alternative stands that cost much less and work the same.

sent you a PM.
Ray

[kmcheng]

:lol: You are right. Though I did hear a difference between the speakers. I could not differentiate between the amps when driving the same speakers i.e rotel v/s Mac.The bass was spectacular and vocals where smooth and distinct. Though I don't know how much but I am sure there is an element of awe involved too but hopefully and probably not enough to justify the additional expense!

I am all for spending the money now to get the ultimate gear you want now. If you can hear a difference and have a preference for the more expensive option (amp or speaker) then by all means go ahead. It saves money down the road. :W

[KyaDawn]

Had another moment of insanity. As I wait for the speakers and electronics still, my dealer said that if I wanted I could upgrade from the 803D to 802D for an additional $3300. I know it is a lot of money but I am looking at it from a long term perspective. The elcetronics will remain the same. What do you guys think? I love the 803D and would be happy with them but...............

This is obviously a very personal choice, but if you can spare the $3,300, I'd say go for the 802D. I was obviously in the very same position as you. I demoed both the 803D and 802D at the same sitting, and initially, I could not really hear a difference between the two. This is also because I auditioned the 804S at the same sitting, and the difference between that model and the D's was so dramatic compared to the 803D vs. the 802D.

Having done additional auditions with different types of music, I was definitely able to hear the difference afterwards. Not completely huge like it was vs. the 804S, but definitely there.

Besides the sound difference, the reason why I got the 802Ds was it was really my "dream" speaker when I initially was looking at B&W. I would have saved a few thousand dollars with the 803D, but in the end, I knew I would be that much happier with the 802Ds, knowing it was the speaker I wanted, and given that I'm looking to keep these speakers for 10+ years, over time those few grand would mean very little.

Also, and I think a lot of people think this way as well, but few will admit it, is that the 802D just looks so incredible! The 803D is a fine looking speaker, don't get me wrong, but the 802D just looks unique and beautiful. It puts a smile on my face every time I walk into the living room. This was also another huge reason why I chose the 802D. To me, it's a dramatic addition to my listening room, and while some people look down on choosing a speaker based on looks, for me it's definitely a factor especially when you are spending thousands of dollars, whether you go with the 803D or the 802D.

In the end, it's such a personal choice. I think if I went with the 803D, I would be able to convince myself that I made the right choice in saving the few thousand bucks, and I would be right. But with the 802Ds, I don't have to convince myself anything. I got my "dream speaker", it sounds wonderful, looks wonderful, and just an incredible joy in my life. :T

[ray5]

This is obviously a very personal choice, but if you can spare the $3,300, I'd say go for the 802D. I was obviously in the very same position as you. I demoed both the 803D and 802D at the same sitting, and initially, I could not really hear a difference between the two. This is also because I auditioned the 804S at the same sitting, and the difference between that model and the D's was so dramatic compared to the 803D vs. the 802D.

Having done additional auditions with different types of music, I was definitely able to hear the difference afterwards. Not completely huge like it was vs. the 804S, but definitely there.

Besides the sound difference, the reason why I got the 802Ds was it was really my "dream" speaker when I initially was looking at B&W. I would have saved a few thousand dollars with the 803D, but in the end, I knew I would be that much happier with the 802Ds, knowing it was the speaker I wanted, and given that I'm looking to keep these speakers for 10+ years, over time those few grand would mean very little.

Also, and I think a lot of people think this way as well, but few will admit it, is that the 802D just looks so incredible! The 803D is a fine looking speaker, don't get me wrong, but the 802D just looks unique and beautiful. It puts a smile on my face every time I walk into the living room. This was also another huge reason why I chose the 802D. To me, it's a dramatic addition to my listening room, and while some people look down on choosing a speaker based on looks, for me it's definitely a factor especially when you are spending thousands of dollars, whether you go with the 803D or the 802D.

In the end, it's such a personal choice. I think if I went with the 803D, I would be able to convince myself that I made the right choice in saving the few thousand bucks, and I would be right. But with the 802Ds, I don't have to convince myself anything. I got my "dream speaker", it sounds wonderful, looks wonderful, and just an incredible joy in my life. :T

Thanks.I agree with the impressive looks and that's part of the allure and awe besides the performance.Want to sound it out well before pulling the trigger. As you know the rest of the gear, by going for the 802D's am I committing myself to better electronics down the road? The only thing that I'll be spending and that too not for a while would be gear for my rears and the blu-ray player. Many on this forum feel that Rotel amps may not do them justice, or rather they "deserve" Classe or Macintosh! That I am not going to buy no matter what, they are insanely expensive. The argument on the other hand will be why go for great speakers if you can't get the best out of them? I guess that is a personal choice but the fact that you have the identical gear, it would be great to know what your expereince has been driving these with the 1092/1091 combo.That is my only concern and possibly hold up. Let me know what you think. Thanks