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  • gsengmaq
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 27

    #1

    Bi-amping 803D's

    I own a pair of 803D's which serve as fronts in my home theater system. I drive them, the center speaker, a HTM2D, and four surrounds, B&W Sig 7's, with a McIntosh MC207 which give me 200W into 7 channels. Since I have yet to encounter pretty much anything in 7.1 surround (everything seems to be 5.1), I have been contemplating bi-amping the fronts using the two channels which now run the rear speakers. I should mention that I also have a sub, the Velodyne DD15 which of course has it's own amp. I run the 803D's in large mode, i.e. full range, and just add the sub for frequencies below 60Hz. Since I run them full range, I thought that maybe another 200W (giving a total of 400W per speaker) could be useful since I read a lot about how power hungry the B&W's are. Any thoughts?
    Gert
  • Race Car Driver
    Super Senior Member
    • Mar 2005
    • 1540

    #2
    I bi amped my HTM1 center with my aragon 4004 (200x2) just because I had the extra channel and wire, figured it wouldn't hurt.

    I say why not.
    Others will say it wont do a thing for you unless you pull the crossovers out of the bottom of the speakers.
    B&W

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    • gsengmaq
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 27

      #3
      Anyone have a view on this topic? I would have thought there'd plenty of opinions.
      Gert

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      • Kal Rubinson
        Super Senior Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 2109

        #4
        Some of us are plenty tired of the biwiring/biamping discussion. It recurs with annoying regularity.

        Kal
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        • Race Car Driver
          Super Senior Member
          • Mar 2005
          • 1540

          #5
          So dont reply?
          B&W

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          • Aldo
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2005
            • 448

            #6
            I intend to bi-wire all my surround speakers. Let's see what happened!
            I'm running 2 times the current cable length so I figured that bi-wire could help me keep things almost the same! I do not know about this very well but....

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            • Kal Rubinson
              Super Senior Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 2109

              #7
              Originally posted by Race Car Driver
              So dont reply?
              I was responding to his questioning why there were so few responses. Implicit in my comment is that there's lots of discussion available for the searching.

              Kal
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              • DM3000 Owner
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2006
                • 475

                #8
                Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                I was responding to his questioning why there were so few responses. Implicit in my comment is that there's lots of discussion available for the searching.

                Kal
                Kal,

                I read that you are getting new speakers. Can you comment?

                Thanks,

                Chris

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                • Kal Rubinson
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 2109

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DM3000 Owner
                  Kal,

                  I read that you are getting new speakers. Can you comment?

                  Thanks,

                  Chris
                  No. I have no specific plans but I am always looking for better.

                  Kal
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                  • RebelMan
                    Ultra Senior Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 3139

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                    No. I have no specific plans but I am always looking for better.
                    Hmm, that opens up a few possibilities. Better at what price? :W
                    "Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."

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                    • Kal Rubinson
                      Super Senior Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 2109

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RebelMan
                      Hmm, that opens up a few possibilities. Better at what price? :W
                      Whatever I can afford :W and whatever fits in my room confortably. Both preclude the large Wilsons, for example.

                      However, I am not now strongly motivated; just open to the possibilities.
                      Kal Rubinson
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                      • gsengmaq
                        Junior Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 27

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                        Some of us are plenty tired of the biwiring/biamping discussion. It recurs with annoying regularity.

                        Kal

                        Thanks for the rude response, Kal. I have looked at various posts but haven't found the answer to my query, i.e. is the McIntosh's 200W/ch enough to drive the 803D's. If anyone, apart from Kal, has a view, I'd appreciate it.
                        Gert

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                        • Aldo
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 448

                          #13
                          Originally posted by gsengmaq
                          Thanks for the rude response, Kal. I have looked at various posts but haven't found the answer to my query, i.e. is the McIntosh's 200W/ch enough to drive the 803D's. If anyone, apart from Kal, has a view, I'd appreciate it.
                          Gert
                          I run 802Ds with the Mc 252 and it is just fine so I think that for the 803s you also be fine with 200watts. It depends on your room size though!

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                          • Kal Rubinson
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 2109

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gsengmaq
                            Thanks for the rude response, Kal. I have looked at various posts but haven't found the answer to my query, i.e. is the McIntosh's 200W/ch enough to drive the 803D's. If anyone, apart from Kal, has a view, I'd appreciate it.
                            Gert
                            Well, if you had found the other discussions, you would have found that biamping with an additional 200W amp does NOT get you 400w capability but only a small incremental increase in power.

                            BTW, I am happy with 200wpc driving the 802Ds.

                            Sorry you took my post as rude as it was not so intended.

                            Kal
                            Kal Rubinson
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                            • Pedro
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 303

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                              that biamping with an additional 200W amp does NOT get you 400w capability but only a small incremental increase in power.
                              And how about conecting a 400W monoblock? will be have more incremental power than biamping with 2 200x2 amps? :T

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                              • Kal Rubinson
                                Super Senior Member
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 2109

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Pedro
                                And how about conecting a 400W monoblock? will be have more incremental power than biamping with 2 200x2 amps? :T
                                Indeed.

                                Kal
                                Kal Rubinson
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                                • gsengmaq
                                  Junior Member
                                  • Sep 2007
                                  • 27

                                  #17
                                  Apology accepted, Kal, and thanks for the replies.
                                  Gert

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                                  • style
                                    Super Senior Member
                                    • Feb 2006
                                    • 1562

                                    #18
                                    I'm no pro bi-amping.

                                    I have a 803s with Rotel RB1092.
                                    I have tested to bi.amp. the 803s in my room (5,5meter x 10) but personaly
                                    I prefer "simply2 by-wired.

                                    (803s->RB1092 / htm3s ->Rb1091 /805s-> RB1092)

                                    Greetings from Switzerland
                                    omar

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