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  • qtybry
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 21

    #1

    bi wire bw 603

    hello guys!!!

    just got my new audio set up. bw 603, rotel rb1080, rc1070 and rcd1072.

    im planning to get cat cables for the set up. should i bi wire it? what would be the differece if its bi wired or not? thanx!
  • William
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 194

    #2
    Originally posted by qtybry
    hello guys!!!

    just got my new audio set up. bw 603, rotel rb1080, rc1070 and rcd1072.

    im planning to get cat cables for the set up. should i bi wire it? what would be the differece if its bi wired or not? thanx!
    Bi-wiring is very confusing to the electrons. They can't decide which wire to go down and end up stopping and building up at the split. I have a "new" Bose designed device I'm offering that acts like a traffic cop. It screes each electron to see if it is mid/higher or bass oriented and sends it down the appropriate wire. I will let you have one for only $19,999.95. But lets keep that between you and me.

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    • Glenee
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 253

      #3
      If you do decide to Bi-Wire, try leaving the negative jumper on. I did this as a non-believer. What I found out was that it helped. If your ears tell you that Bi-Wiring sounds better that's all that matters.
      Glenee

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      • Kal Rubinson
        Super Senior Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 2109

        #4
        Just to pile on: Don't bother biwiring. Makes no difference.

        Kal
        Kal Rubinson
        _______________________________
        "Music in the Round"
        Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
        http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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        • hifiguymi
          Super Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1532

          #5
          Bi-wiring does make a difference. The best advice I would give you is to try it. You'll never know for yourself until you try it.

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          • Karma
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2005
            • 801

            #6
            Use Your Ears

            HI,
            What really makes no difference is our opinions. Just try it and trust your ears.

            Sparky

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            • KRC
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2004
              • 166

              #7
              I am bi-wiring my 703's. I did an experiment by leaving the jumpers on, replace with the bi-wire cable, turn bi-wire cable up side down and replace cable with a "Mono" cable. This was not a scientific experiment at all, I let my ears choose for me as my wife traded between the four options. There are probably lots of reasons why I chose the bi-wire option, all I know is that it sounded best for me and that is the important reason.

              Kevin

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              • William
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2006
                • 194

                #8
                Originally posted by hifiguymi
                Bi-wiring does make a difference. The best advice I would give you is to try it. You'll never know for yourself until you try it.
                If you believe something to be true then it is true to you whether are not it can be proven or dis-proven. The placebo effect works about 30% of the time in most medical studies. :W There is no scientific evidence that if electrons flow from one source through 2 deferent insulated jackets instead of one, that this has any effect on the electron makeup, much less the sound quality.

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                • hifiguymi
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1532

                  #9
                  There are two reasons why bi-wiring works. One is the increase in speaker wire gauge without the increase of skin effect. The other is the woofer(s) create a "backwash" of current the adversely affects the tweeter(s), or midrange(s) in a three way speaker. When you bi-wire you eliminate that. The only electrical connention the woofer(s) and the midrange(s) / tweeter(s) share is at the amplifier. It does work to improve the sound.

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                  • William
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 194

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hifiguymi
                    There are two reasons why bi-wiring works. One is the increase in speaker wire gauge without the increase of skin effect. The other is the woofer(s) create a "backwash" of current the adversely affects the tweeter(s), or midrange(s) in a three way speaker. When you bi-wire you eliminate that. The only electrical connention the woofer(s) and the midrange(s) / tweeter(s) share is at the amplifier. It does work to improve the sound.
                    You first point is assuming your using the same gauge wire for both installs. Just double the size (lower the gauge) of the single wire for the same effect.

                    2ed point about electron backwash. Could you point to any scientific evidence to this phenomenon and/or explain the effect it has on SQ? Even if it did exist the signal is already split at the jumpers for a couple of feet. How does adding 10' more eliminate this so called effect when at near the speed of light the amount of time added is inconsequential?

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                    • class a
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 11

                      #11
                      In my set up with the N800, I have found better low level details and better image with bi wiring. I always thought that Bi wiring makes no differences but I was wrong with my set up. Just make sure that all cables are the same and in length. All my cables are 5N silver solid core cyro treated made in the UK. Im not sure if Im allowed to give a link but here goes.
                      Vinyl Passion music is a small family run high end audio deralership that specialises as audio consultants offering the highest quality audio equipment service

                      Cheers

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                      • NMG
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 232

                        #12
                        IMHO, the biggest benefit to bi-wiring is that it looks cool

                        I didn't notice a difference at all when I tried out some cables from my dealer, hence the reason I'm still using ugly speaker wires . . . LOL. Of course, my experience may not be the same as what others will experience.

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                        • Clepto
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 292

                          #13
                          There's a reason it's called 'buy-wire'

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                          • Clepto
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 292

                            #14
                            If you are going through a single amplifier output, and notice a benefit from biwiring, then you should be ugprading the gauge of your wire in single wiring configuration (;

                            If you're passively bi-amping, and notice a difference, then you should be running a better amp (;

                            Then again, you might notice a difference between $1000 speak wire vs some nice twisted strand 12 gauge wire. Personally, I've noticed no difference in biwiring or passive biamping, on my 600 series speakers.

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