Pictures of your B&W Set-up

[Relentless]

Looks awesome Lou, the amp stands are great!!

What subs are those?

Mike

Thanks, the subs are ACI Maestro's. I have been itching to go to a pair of Seaton Submersives but I can not find a flaw it the Maestro's that will warrant selling them for half of what I payed except that they are taking up a lot of space. I can move them to the rear or stack them but I will be moving soon enough so I am holding off on any more upgrades after the stands and the matching cable for the HTM1D arrive....... Thanks everyone for the kind words, I know the room is sub par to almost everyone here but it always gets praise for the sound at the listening position and I chose to live with it aesthetically instead of sinking money into the room that I will not get back when it sells.

[Skyblue]

Thanks, the subs are ACI Maestro's. I have been itching to go to a pair of Seaton Submersives but I can not find a flaw it the Maestro's that will warrant selling them for half of what I payed except that they are taking up a lot of space. I can move them to the rear or stack them but I will be moving soon enough so I am holding off on any more upgrades after the stands and the matching cable for the HTM1D arrive....... Thanks everyone for the kind words, I know the room is sub par to almost everyone here but it always gets praise for the sound at the listening position and I chose to live with it aesthetically instead of sinking money into the room that I will not get back when it sells.

Your system is full of compromises

[Relentless]

Your system is full of compromises

I disagree. Besides surround duty what would you change?

[wettou]

I disagree. Besides surround duty what would you change?

Right, Jalousie is all that is your system is awesome :B

[Skyblue]

Right, Jalousie is all that is your system is awesome :B

This. It was ironic relentless

[Relentless]

I was hoping for some new ideas.... sorry I forgot to put in a smiley

[Skyblue]

This. It was ironic relentless

I was hoping for some new ideas.... sorry I forgot to put in a smiley

No worries. Its hard to insult a system as good as yours. I'd like to say that mine is better, however it isnt. To prove it, we can switch. I'll mail you mine, and send a truck for yours

[Relentless]

No worries. Its hard to insult a system as good as yours. I'd like to say that mine is better, however it isnt. To prove it, we can switch. I'll mail you mine, and send a truck for yours

You are not kidding when you say a truck. You will also have to send 3 guys to navigate the stairs for the 800D's. They way a ton, it took me and 2 friends to get them up there and we made a lot noise doing it at 2 am :lol:. I did not think about the noise because I was busy trying not to get crushed but my neighbor asked me what the hell was I doing the next day.

[scottielee]

[btf1980]

Very nice Scottie. That's totally a NYC apartment. Well done. Is that a Copulare rack/stand?

[Relentless]

nice..... I have that same carver2000 receiver. At least that is what that looks like to me. I purchased it new 23 years ago for $1000.

[Captain Reg]

Updated pic of my 2 channel set up:



Digital Front End
NAD M5 SACD/HDCD Player

Amplification
NAD M3 Dual Mono Integrated Amplifier

Speaker System
B&W 683 / B&W ASW 610 Subwoofer (2)

Speaker Cables
SignalCable Ultra Bi-Wire

Interconnects
SignalCable Analog Two Balanced

System Rack
Sanus Java Series JFA36e

Other Accessories
PS Audio Duet Power Center, PS Audio Noise Harvester, Power Cables: Signalcable MagicPower Power Cord & MagicPower Digital Reference

[artv4]

Updated pic of my 2 channel set up:



Digital Front End
NAD M5 SACD/HDCD Player

Amplification
NAD M3 Dual Mono Integrated Amplifier

Speaker System
B&W 683 / B&W ASW 610 Subwoofer (2)

Speaker Cables
SignalCable Ultra Bi-Wire

Interconnects
SignalCable Analog Two Balanced

System Rack
Sanus Java Series JFA36e

Other Accessories
PS Audio Duet Power Center, PS Audio Noise Harvester, Power Cables: Signalcable MagicPower Power Cord & MagicPower Digital Reference

clean audio rig!!!!! lovin the pic about the rack

[Captain Reg]

clean audio rig!!!!! lovin the pic about the rack

Thanks! It's my all time favorite Beatles pic (taken by Linda McCartney at the Sgt. Pepper release party). Happier times.

[scottielee]

Very nice Scottie. That's totally a NYC apartment. Well done. Is that a Copulare rack/stand?

thanks btf1980! it is a grand prix audio monaco base module.

nice..... I have that same carver2000 receiver. At least that is what that looks like to me. I purchased it new 23 years ago for $1000.

thanks Relentless! that is the good ol' carver 2000 that our family has enjoyed listening to since i was 10 years old :T

[BlueSander]

Nice pix. You gotta list your components out though. I'm very interested.

[scottielee]

Nice pix. You gotta list your components out though. I'm very interested.

thanks BlueSander!

my system:
speakers: B&W Signature 805
amps: Jadis JA30 with Siemens 5814A, Mullard CV4004, and SED SVEL34 Pearl CryoValves
source: Wadia 861 Basic directly feeding the amps
cables: Cardas Golden Reference interconnects, speaker cables, and power cords
stand: Grand Prix Audio Monaco Base Module
power conditioner: Running Springs Audio Haley
wall power receptacle: Wattgate 381

[lotus78]

Not very good pictures but…….B&W 703’s (the matching center is in the closet…), Rotel 1068 processor, Music Hall cd player and an oppo dvd. The 703’s are powered by an Adcom gfa 5500. Rear and surround in-wall speakers went with the ex/house so I pull my small quads from my bedroom system if I feel the need for more than a 2.1 system. The sub is a Velodyne spl-8. Picture is a 110’ drop down screen and a Sony projector.

[marsboer]

I have B&W 805S

[htsteve]

marsboer,


Very nice. Very nicely done. And I like your choice in subs. Is it an F112?

[marsboer]

Yes, it is. I edited my original post and added the equipment list

[jericho]

Marsboer I like your setup very much; very nice sub from JL Audio

[style]

Hi marsboer,

The projector is new in your set (before was a lcd or?)

But you have change the room too?
And the Nemo is not "overkill" for the 805?

(You are in Norway is correct?) ops:

Sub great, Monocle XL too (I have the same XL) :W :W


greetings Style

[marsboer]

You can view my "history" here if you are interested:
http://www.nixuser.net/

I do not have the Nemos, I have AW400 (also known as NADA). The difference beeing that Nemo is based of two bridged AW180s and AW400 of two bridged AW120s giving a total of 400W compared to 600W in the Nemos.

I do not use the AW400 because they have 400W. I use them because they are the best sounding Electrocompaniet amps in my opinion. So no, you don't need that kind of power to drive 805S, but that's not why I use them.

EDIT: Yes I'm norwegian :T

[wettou]

You can view my "history" here if you are interested:
http://www.nixuser.net/

I do not have the Nemos, I have AW400 (also known as NADA). The difference beeing that Nemo is based of two bridged AW180s and AW400 of two bridged AW120s giving a total of 400W compared to 600W in the Nemos.

I do not use the AW400 because they have 400W. I use them because they are the best sounding Electrocompaniet amps in my opinion. So no, you don't need that kind of power to drive 805S, but that's not why I use them.

EDIT: Yes I'm norwegian :T

Cool website, maybe in Norway you get better customer service from Electrocompaniet

[AV-OCD]

Scottie -

Thanks for sharing the pic of your set-up and your wonderfully eclectic surroundings.

[AV-OCD]

You can view my "history" here if you are interested:
http://www.nixuser.net/

I do not have the Nemos, I have AW400 (also known as NADA). The difference beeing that Nemo is based of two bridged AW180s and AW400 of two bridged AW120s giving a total of 400W compared to 600W in the Nemos.

I do not use the AW400 because they have 400W. I use them because they are the best sounding Electrocompaniet amps in my opinion. So no, you don't need that kind of power to drive 805S, but that's not why I use them.

EDIT: Yes I'm norwegian :T

Mars -

I took a look at your history of equipment and it seems that we are on a similar path. I have gone from large high-end floorstanders back to stand mount speakers. How do you feel about the change from 802 to 805? Do you feel you have lost any midrange clarity by going from a three-way (802) to two-way (805)?

[style]

Hi Mars,

I agree with AV-OCD: you had ib test the 802D but your choice is go to the
805 = in your room this little B&W speaker give you the best sound?

Is fo me important: changing from a big B&W to a smaller model depend much from what this speaker give you in your room!

I have classé Audio: but a friend have me always say the electrocompaniet have very great products! : the only "small/down point" is the $$$ inside electrocompaniet: sold and buyed more & more !! = if you go have a problem and you need a replace parts they are available??
well, with power ampli a "problem" is very rare.. but exemple the pre or the Great pure CD player EMP1 with philips transport is one of the top player: a reference!
with Cd player is more possible have a problem...->replace parts?!?

------------
A preampli like the 4.7 for the pure music dont give you much more as the yamaha? -> in place as xlr-cinch adapter "direct XLR"?

the new Nemo (they having nothing to do with "B&W Nautils speaker" like a lot of people think..)are used for the 805: the AW 120 x 3 is for the rear (JMLab-focal) and??? you have a extra channel that you use for?

your opinion over the mono 180! vs. the awr250!


Thank you very much for your feed back!

Grettings Style

[mjb]

Your plant needs some water :B

[jericho]

Your plant needs some water :B

Or play some music perhaps :W

[Mestre JR]

My pictures

I like B&W too.
And Rotel, until I changed to Classé :-y .
An for now... ;b> ...
This is my "old" system...

[Relentless]

nice :T and excellent photos

[marsboer]

Mars -

I took a look at your history of equipment and it seems that we are on a similar path. I have gone from large high-end floorstanders back to stand mount speakers. How do you feel about the change from 802 to 805? Do you feel you have lost any midrange clarity by going from a three-way (802) to two-way (805)?

No, not at all! My midrange is fuller and much more direct with 805S now, but that's probably because the room is different from what I used 802D in.
I would say that they are more or less equivalent. The 802D does however have a tad less coloration in the midrange/top, but I wouldn't say more resolution or clarity. But the 805S is actually sounding better on male voices to me. I just think the transition from the midrange to midbass is a bit better in 805S compared to 802D.
The bass is definitively better with 805S because it fits so incredibly well with my room. 802D was never even close to this, not because it's a worse speaker, but because the room sucked out everything in the midbass, killing all involvement, sounding less musical.

All in all I feel the 805S is a tad more colored than 802D, but a bit more coherent in the lower midrange. I would rate them about equal in experienced sound quality (imaging, 3D and resolution) if they are placed in matched rooms for their sizes. Hopefully that last coloration dissappears with 805 Diamond. I can't wait to listen to them!

I am much happier with 805S than 802D, mostly because they work so good with my current room, and because I bought them used so the sound quality/price ratio is through the roof in my current setup.

A comment on the midrange question:
I did compare 685 to 683 when I had those, and I felt that the 683 was a substantially better speaker, sounding less boxy and more open in the midrange. This experience is not true for 805S vs bigger FST models, just so you know it.
I did compare 805S directly to 683 when I replaced 683 with 805S at home, and 805S is much better in EVERY SINGLE aspect in my room. So do not for even a second think that 683 or CM9 can compete with 805S just because they have the FST-midrange.

[marsboer]

nice :T and excellent photos

Thank you ops:

[sikoniko]

No, not at all! My midrange is fuller and much more direct with 805S now, but that's probably because the room is different from what I used 802D in.
I would say that they are more or less equivalent. The 802D does however have a tad less coloration in the midrange/top, but I wouldn't say more resolution or clarity. But the 805S is actually sounding better on male voices to me. I just think the transition from the midrange to midbass is a bit better in 805S compared to 802D.
The bass is definitively better with 805S because it fits so incredibly well with my room. 802D was never even close to this, not because it's a worse speaker, but because the room sucked out everything in the midbass, killing all involvement, sounding less musical.

All in all I feel the 805S is a tad more colored than 802D, but a bit more coherent in the lower midrange. I would rate them about equal in experienced sound quality (imaging, 3D and resolution) if they are placed in matched rooms for their sizes. Hopefully that last coloration dissappears with 805 Diamond. I can't wait to listen to them!

I am much happier with 805S than 802D, mostly because they work so good with my current room, and because I bought them used so the sound quality/price ratio is through the roof in my current setup.

A comment on the midrange question:
I did compare 685 to 683 when I had those, and I felt that the 683 was a substantially better speaker, sounding less boxy and more open in the midrange. This experience is not true for 805S vs bigger FST models, just so you know it.
I did compare 805S directly to 683 when I replaced 683 with 805S at home, and 805S is much better in EVERY SINGLE aspect in my room. So do not for even a second think that 683 or CM9 can compete with 805S just because they have the FST-midrange.

Im actually interested in knowing why you had a center and went back to phantom. 8O

[AV-OCD]

No, not at all! My midrange is fuller and much more direct with 805S now, but that's probably because the room is different from what I used 802D in.
I would say that they are more or less equivalent. The 802D does however have a tad less coloration in the midrange/top, but I wouldn't say more resolution or clarity. But the 805S is actually sounding better on male voices to me. I just think the transition from the midrange to midbass is a bit better in 805S compared to 802D.
The bass is definitively better with 805S because it fits so incredibly well with my room. 802D was never even close to this, not because it's a worse speaker, but because the room sucked out everything in the midbass, killing all involvement, sounding less musical.

All in all I feel the 805S is a tad more colored than 802D, but a bit more coherent in the lower midrange. I would rate them about equal in experienced sound quality (imaging, 3D and resolution) if they are placed in matched rooms for their sizes. Hopefully that last coloration dissappears with 805 Diamond. I can't wait to listen to them!

I am much happier with 805S than 802D, mostly because they work so good with my current room, and because I bought them used so the sound quality/price ratio is through the roof in my current setup.

A comment on the midrange question:
I did compare 685 to 683 when I had those, and I felt that the 683 was a substantially better speaker, sounding less boxy and more open in the midrange. This experience is not true for 805S vs bigger FST models, just so you know it.
I did compare 805S directly to 683 when I replaced 683 with 805S at home, and 805S is much better in EVERY SINGLE aspect in my room. So do not for even a second think that 683 or CM9 can compete with 805S just because they have the FST-midrange.

Thanks for the personal insight. When you use the term "colored", what does that mean to you? Are there specific qualities to the sound that you can describe?

Thanks again.

[style]

Hallo Mars,

Sorry you have the 2nemos for L&R -> OK.

the 3 x120 is for the rear (Focal) and what? you have a connetion with a cables inside the 120x3 is correct?

the 120x3 have a XLR? your cable in the pictures see like normmal cinch with a adaptor is so???

thx for reponse

Style

[marsboer]

Thanks for the personal insight. When you use the term "colored", what does that mean to you? Are there specific qualities to the sound that you can describe?

Thanks again.

With colored I mean that it has a certain "character of sound". Another word for it would be that it's not entirely neutral in its presentation. This is not something you would notice just listening to 805S (or any other -S series speaker) but you will probably notice that "something" is gone when comparing directly to 802D or higher.

[marsboer]

Hallo Mars,

Sorry you have the 2nemos for L&R -> OK.

the 3 x120 is for the rear (Focal) and what? you have a connetion with a cables inside the 120x3 is correct?

the 120x3 have a XLR? your cable in the pictures see like normmal cinch with a adaptor is so???

thx for reponse

Style

I use AW400 for the front, and AW 3x120-M for the two rears. The third channel is not in use, but I used it for the center speaker when I had one.

Electrocompaniet's amplifiers has XLR only, so I am using adapters because RX-V3900 only has unbalanced RCA outputs. I am using Electrocompaniets own XLR to RCA adaptors



I would use XLR if I could find a processor with the same sound as the Yamaha receivers.

[marsboer]

Im actually interested in knowing why you had a center and went back to phantom. 8O

Personal preference. First of all the sound quality is definitively better and the center image bigger sounding using phantom center in my setup. But the most important thing is that I am more bothered by the sound coming from below the screen using a center, than I am with the sound appearing a little off center but in correct height when sitting at the sides.

Using phantom center is not something I generally recommend though, because it really depends on having a setup which have really good stereo imaging properties to really work. It is also necessary to have all seats within the "speaker placement square" in addition to good imaging to avoid the sound just collapsing into the closest speaker when moving off center.

[wettou]

Personal preference. First of all the sound quality is definitively better and the center image bigger sounding using phantom center in my setup. But the most important thing is that I am more bothered by the sound coming from below the screen using a center, than I am with the sound appearing a little off center but in correct height when sitting at the sides. Using phantom center is not something I generally recommend though, because it really depends on having a setup which have really good stereo imaging properties to really work. It is also necessary to have all seats within the "speaker placement square" in addition to good imaging to avoid the sound just collapsing into the closest speaker when moving off center.

I guess if there are only two people watching a movie then two speakers are enough as long as you sit close, very close to each other :B :W

[marsboer]

I guess if there are only two people watching a movie then two speakers are enough as long as you sit close, very close to each other :B :W

I have three seating positions and I always sit at one of the sides when watching movies because we usually are two people watching, but still prefer to use phantom to avoid having the sound coming from below the screen.

[emig5m]

I would use XLR if I could find a processor with the same sound as the Yamaha receivers.

So are you saying that a 'Best Buy level' Yamaha AVR performs well enough to not hold back the rest of your 'high end' gear? 8O Or does it do a certain thing specifically that you prefer? Please elaborate- "if I could find a processor with the same sound as the Yamaha receivers."

[marsboer]

So are you saying that a 'Best Buy level' Yamaha AVR performs well enough to not hold back the rest of your 'high end' gear? 8O Or does it do a certain thing specifically that you prefer? Please elaborate- "if I could find a processor with the same sound as the Yamaha receivers."

I have owned both Electrocompaniet EC 4.8 and last summer a Parasound Halo JC-2 pre-amp, both balanced designs using XLR.
When I compared JC-2 to RX-V1800 in Pure Direct (using Transporter as DAC of course) which I had back then, it really was no contest. A dedicated high-end pre-amp is really quite much better than a crappy do-it-all receiver like the RX-V3900 or its like.

HOWEVER, the Yamaha just sounds so raw, involving and really brings out the feelings of the music. Blues really sounds like blues, and it also has rather incredible midbass. So I listened to my heart an threw the JC-2 out, even though it was much better as a pre-amp it wasn't even close to achieve the musical involvement I like so much from Yamaha receivers in my exact setup.

So I am basically looking for a pre-amp (I would much prefer a dedicated stereo pre-amp instead of a insanely expensive processor that still can't beat a good stereo high-end pre-amp for half the price) with the sound quality of the Parasound and the raw, in your face and very musical presentation of my Yamaha RX-V3900. In other words, I just love the match Yamaha makes as a pre-amp in my setup!

I am thinkin that a valve-based preamp may be the right thing for me. I stopped listening to my brain and started listening to my heart when selecting components a couple of years ago, and it has taken my setup to new levels in musical presentation, even though it also involves non-logical decisions like throwing out one of the best solid state pre-amps to keep a simple receiver.

It's VERY important to keep the Yamaha in Pure Direct when used for music though. As soon as i set it in STRAIGHT or any other mode, all things equal (withouth bass management, YPAO and such), it looses so much resolution and sounds just like the feelingless non-musical receiver most receivers usually sounds like when used in a good setup.

[wettou]

On an other note

fredfish

Posté le: Lun Mar 08, 2010 7:58 pm Sujet du message: Voici la suite des tofs sur l'événement Goldmund organisé par Silences...







Philippe (Atanassof) en pleine conversation avec le concepteur des câbles installés sur le "gros" système.











Toujours Philippe en pleine conversation avec Alain "The Boss".





















Échanges, autour d'un café, avec Jigé et Gregory de Prins (Le Boss de Noir & Blanc) en visite chez Silences.