Pictures of your B&W Set-up

[ROTCArmyHifiGuy]

Yeah Ive been really impressed with it so far. I had a budget of about $4,000 but I could have gone higher if I needed to but my main concern was that the system worked well together.

It doesnt make any sense to me to have a $2,000 Shanling CDP and have to spend less on the speakers and amp making them the bottle neck of the system.

I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns for the quality that I am getting but I am always open to suggestions since this equipment has excellent resale value over at Audiogon.

[jim777]

Yeah Ive been really impressed with it so far. I had a budget of about $4,000 but I could have gone higher if I needed to but my main concern was that the system worked well together.

It doesnt make any sense to me to have a $2,000 Shanling CDP and have to spend less on the speakers and amp making them the bottle neck of the system.

I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns for the quality that I am getting but I am always open to suggestions since this equipment has excellent resale value over at Audiogon.

Well if you ask, Rega makes stereo amps and CDP that don't cost much more over Rotel for the extra performance they give.

But you may as well keep your money for a nice HDTV

[ROTCArmyHifiGuy]

Ya i check in on the Rega Apollo and stereo amp paired with the same speakers and it sounded great. The difference was greater when i paired Rega up with Dali speakers but thats when the prices started to get alittle crazy for me. Dont get me wrong I love music but not enough to sit at home all day and listen to it. I like girls and going to bars haha.

When I paired the Rega with the 704's there wasnt enough of a difference in the midrange, thought the bass felt better, it wasnt justifiable for me for the extra $$$.

I was looking at some Cary Tube amps though lol. I need therapy with this hobby.

[audioqueso]

Great setup ROTCArmyHifiGuy!
Looks like a VERY comfortable spot to lay down and enjoy your music. Congrats!

[ROTCArmyHifiGuy]

Thanks audio!

i often find myself napping alittle when i sit down to listen to music haha its great

[Pookie007]

Hey ROTCArmy guy, nice setup. I wish I started college with something that sound that clean. Hopefully it will help you deal with the disappointment from being Army and not Marine. Just try and remember, the Corps doesn't have room for everyone.

[ROTCArmyHifiGuy]

Hey ROTCArmy guy, nice setup. I wish I started college with something that sound that clean. Hopefully it will help you deal with the disappointment from being Army and not Marine. Just try and remember, the Corps doesn't have room for everyone.

lol damn jarheads.

All my friends are marines so when they found out i was going army they gave me a GI Joe in a dress. Nice friends huh? ahaha

ya this system is superb, i just need to expand my music tastes now and really enjoy it with excellent albums.

[adaum]

Looks great ArmyHiFi. Don't let Uncle Sam's misguided children get you down (USMC). I am a former Army man myself. I was smart engough to go U.S Cav. (19Delta). Thanks for serving. The souns system will bring you years of enjoyment were ever they may send you. Scouts Out!

[Luke Skywalker]

it hears mine.
Made in house with photographic machine.



:T

[azsyno]

Luke - this makes me laugh - it's you, correct?

it hears mine.
Made in house with photographic machine.

[Luke Skywalker]

No way !

[ryst]

Hello, new member from Sweden.
Post 2 old pics of my B&W 802D

[Pato]

Hello,

My setup:

B&W 805S on SoundStyle stands
NAD S300 integrated amplifier
Lyngdorf CD1 cd player
Denon 2910 dvd player
Sony HS60 with ISF calibration
Nordost, Belden, Kimber and Eupen cables

Images not available

[Lewing]

Stunning photos Pato! I think this is the 1st time i see black and white photos in B&W forum. Very artistic and classy. Are you a professional photographer?

Anyway great system and welcome to B&W forum!

[pbarach]

Hello,

My setup:

B&W 805S on SoundStyle stands
NAD S300 integrated amplifier
Lyngdorf CD1 cd player
Denon 2910 dvd player
Sony HS60 with ISF calibration
Nordost, Belden, Kimber and Eupen cables

Do you have a subwoofer?

[Pato]

Stunning photos Pato! I think this is the 1st time i see black and white photos in B&W forum. Very artistic and classy. Are you a professional photographer?

Anyway great system and welcome to B&W forum!

Hi there...

No i'm not. Plain luck i guess... :B

Tks

[Pato]

Do you have a subwoofer?

Hi,

Nop... and i don't miss them. :T

[Isaac]

Pato,

Very nice setup. Pictures are too good to just be luck.

[fredBelgium]

Hello,

Setup... B&W 801D, CP-700 and 2 x CA-2200, CDP-202.

Look my picture and my site in Belgium...

http://www.elfbi.com/44EF743E-98E7-11DA-87C3-000A95A8CC04/D9B2DE14-98E0-11DA-87C3-000A95A8CC04.html

Setup.


Setup.


Full Analysis Oval 8 and Silver.


Richard Gray Power Compagny.


Finite Elemente Pagode Signature.


Bye,
Fred.

And, I Like It Patricia Barber :brunette: ! ...

http://www.elfbi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=30&sid=f771e50634c811da13babc26d86c6553

Re-Bye.

[ryst]

Looks good fred.
How come you use 2 CA-2200 insted of a pair CAM-400 ?

[fredBelgium]

Hello ryst,
Two CAM-400 are not Bi amplification but remains mono amplification. Two CA-2200 it is Bi amplification like 4 CAM-400. With two CA-2200 into vertical we have the value in energy of two CAM-400. Two CA-2200 into vertical offer more nuance than two CAM-400. Fred



Fred,
a+

[Cambs12]

Hi Fred,

Your website is very interesting,having auditioned the 802,801 and 800d,can you give us your impressions of each speaker,and which one do you prefer.Also,is size of room a limitation with any of these speakers?

Regards.

[fredBelgium]

Hi Fred,

Your website is very interesting,having auditioned the 802,801 and 800d,can you give us your impressions of each speaker,and which one do you prefer.Also,is size of room a limitation with any of these speakers?

Regards.

Hello Cambs,

For my, this 801D is top B&W.
For my test 802D/801D/800D (in french, sorry)...

http://www.elfbi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6

For size of room... is not definitive. The new big room is in one month. In new house... it's here...

http://www.elfbi.com/Elfbi%27s%20house/Elfbi%27s%20house.html

Fred.

[jericho]

Hello Cambs,

For my, this 801D is top B&W.
For my test 802D/801D/800D (in french, sorry)...

http://www.elfbi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6

For size of room... is not definitive. The new big room is in one month. In new house... it's here...

http://www.elfbi.com/Elfbi%27s%20house/Elfbi%27s%20house.html

Fred.

Hi Fredfish,

Nice setup, I'm using the 800D with the McIntosh 1201's!

Why didn't you try the bi- amping with two CAM-400???

[fredBelgium]

Hi Fredfish,

Nice setup, I'm using the 800D with the McIntosh 1201's!

Why didn't you try the bi- amping with two CAM-400???

hello Jericho,

Bi-amplifing for my... separate woofer and tweeter.
4 CAM-400 it's ok or 2 CA-2200 for bi-amplifing.
2 CAM-400 is not bi-amplifing... 1 CAM-400 for woofer and tweeter by HP.

Fred.

[fredBelgium]

Look...





Bye :T

[jericho]

Look...





Bye :T

Did you sell them???

[jericho]

The MDA/MCD combo, one of the finest cd players!!!Do you still have that player???

[fredBelgium]

Hello, This system is not mine but that of a knowledge.

[jericho]

Is instal is not my setup.

fred.

Nice setup, someone from Belgium???

[fredBelgium]

Yes exactly !

Fred. :T

[jericho]

This is picture of the fronts

[fredBelgium]

Hello Jerico,
Splendid system. And very impressive.

Fred

[fredBelgium]

Hello with you,
Here the article which I had made in his time following listening 802/801/800D.

"Hello with you, Here that I launch out following the afternoon of this Tuesday concerning listenings of the 800D/801D/802D, CA-M400 and CA-2200, CDP-102 and CDP-202. Rather exceptional day because it is rather rare to be able to put the feet in the importer. Moreover the Boss, Mr Luc Vanderheyden will be present to direct this listening what will be only more productive. In fact we will be 5. Luc Vanderheyden, Jeff (of New Music), Michou, Jigé and me. Mathieu who has already been able to meet Michou and Jigé with Mouroux. We arrive towards 13h30 and have four hours to make all our comparative tests. Once the made presentations we are invited to go up on the floor or a part of incredible listening awaits us. The part is entirely studied for accoustics which should not probably be far from being perfect. If I were to caricature his form I would say that it to the shape of a stopper of champagne bottle. In fact no wall is parallel. The will of Luc Vanderheyden, by the shape of this part like by these various systems antiresonances, was to reproduce, into small, a room of opera. (Cabin, level… etc). The part makes a little less than 6 meters of width on 8 meters of additional depth with 2,50 meters of estrade in bottom of room for certain listenings with very strong volume. The ceiling him being +-3 meters from height and being composed of cell. I do not hide you that after several small tests accoustics this part is a “Small” little marvel… hear! The enclosures already installed are the 800D, connected each one to a block CA-M400. Préampli CP-700 and CDP-102/CDP-202. The first test suggested by Luc will be the comparative test between the CDP-102 and the 202. The idea being to make the continuation of listenings with the signal of the matos. The result is quite simply impressive. There is no question of saying that the CDP-102 is a bad reader. But what has the 202 on the level of listening is quite simply impressive. What has us quite simply surprised it is the realism of returned of certain environment. I would say that all becomes alive, palpable. This reader is really very impressive and will follow us during all our tests. To speak about the spacing of the enclosures, with a little more than one meter of the walls and separated from a little less than 4 meters. They, for each listening, will be repositioned exactly in the place of the preceding one. The preceding enclosure withdrawn of the part. Thus in this part of great dimension we will be each time alone vis-a-vis a pair of enclosure and its electronic (as in Mouroux). We start finally the tests of enclosures and this with the 800D. Alas as at Espace Cinema we will have a small concern vis-a-vis this first listening. The image is rather punt, lack depth and being slightly aggressive in the top of the spectrum. We decide to disconnect the CA-M400 and connect the 2 CA-2200 but into horizontal. Very softened but that still misses life, of depth, width. Especially coming from these enclosures. I propose in Luc to make the test (on council of Philippe) in vertical biamplification. Luc not having never made the test (for lack of time) is astonished a little by my request, but with much of kindness accepts without any problem. And there it is the slap, the magic operates. That points out the moment to me when Mathieu made the turn of the CA-M400 to see whether the connector industry were correct the sound is full, alive, deep and has an incredible reserve. Nothing to include/understand. Even Luc will be surprised. Let us not lose sight of the fact that we feed nevertheless from the 800D, demanding while running. And well this unit is really very at ease. What surprises us also it is that these two amplifier largely fill the part by sufficiency with their powers. Our step will be further connecting 2 CA-M400 on the low register and 1 CA-2200 for theacute one. And well separately the fact that the low register is slightly cleaner the remainder is still not for us not with the height of the 2 CA-2200 into vertical. To return to the 800D, this enclosure is incredibly alive, but that in the condition which electronics follows. It is really a product with share. The second stage will consist in making the same tests but with the 802D. I do not hide you that these tests will be much less long bus being given the size of the part we quickly realize of the limit of the enclosure. Attention, this does not remove of anything quality listening of this same enclosure. And then I recognize that the conditions very quickly make it possible to understand well that it is the goal of the design of each enclosure. Thus we rather quickly will pass to the listening of the 801D. This should be besides the greatest part of this CR because we will live one very strong and intense moment.
The 801D is the most insane enclosure which was given to me to hear to date. I am explained. I have been able for several years to make tests of listening in various situations. Situations which my fact appreciated or not certain enclosure. The question would be at this time, is what it is the enclosure which poses problem or the context in which happens listening. In this case present, it is obvious that has no moment we will call in question the context because it belongs to what I now know of better. We will remake the tests of the various amplifiers with various configurations and the result will be identical to the preceding report. The 2 CA-2200 are true animals of race. Always in the vertical bus into horizontal the result is not at all convincing. Not that that does not function obviously, but the unit is flatter less alive and in more the low register less is supported, even tended. We will make some test of listening with Japanese drums, of the “Kodo”. I ensure you that the acoustic pressure is very impressive while knowing that we are with more or less 5 meters of the enclosures. What will be really incredible it is that at any time there will be parasitic vibration in the part. Extraordinary. We will pass for a long moment some large symphonic orchestration and there it is really incredible. What we do not include/understand it is that this quasi even listening at summer made at Espace Cinema and the result was completely with opposite of this… Unexplainable for the moment. After long discussed with Luc who has at his place 800D, it will explain us that its greater frustration is not to have the low register of the 801D on its 800D. It will also speak to us about a prototype, which forever considering the days, a few years ago, which went in this direction. Then, 800D or 801D or 802D? Here is the opinion which emerges from our rather enthralling listening. The 801D, really most impressive of this test with a low register and an attack out of the commun run and that with 2 CA-2200 (they heated rather well besides during this test). The 800D, one untied, a fluidity much more important on the whole of the spectrum than the 801D and this thanks to different filters. This enclosure is really alive. It disappears with the profit from the instruments. Magic. Attention because the low register really does not have the behaviour of the 801D. I would say that the 800D is in Bentley what is the 801D with a Porch GT3. On a side we have for the 800D a comfort of use much broader with performances except standard whereas we have the power pure and monumental for the 801D, which is not jouissif. The choice at the time to sign should not really be simple bus, in my case, I really liked the 800D for his tended acute medium/and his low register. But my god as I adored the titanic and unlimited low register of this 801D. I do not hide you only if I were to make a choice maintaining by knowing that the part of listening is with the height, I do not hesitate and signs for the 801D. What I regret in this test it is not to have made comparative listening with average volume on these two enclosures. Because there is a thing which is not necessary to lose sight of the fact but we always do not listen to the music with high volume and I think that in this case the 800D will probably keep an advantage on the 801D. Who it needs much current to express itself. And concerning the 802D! What has me really surprised compared to certain argument concerning the size of the part of listening it is that in our case the 802D really arrived at these limits. Not by its specific qualities but being quite simply unable to fill this part by a realistic listening. In fact it will make wonder for more traditional parts by their formats. Pleasure of a 801D and a 800D but in more compact. Because at home I find a low register supported with my 802D which I find with the 801D but in a part three times larger. What comes out from this test is also the completely astonishing association of the 2 CA-2200. At this time for us, Luc included/understood, it will be the revelation."

https://www.elfbi.com

[jericho]

Very interesting article you wrote here Fred.If I may ask, where are you from in Belgium? Perhaps we could meet one day and exchange some idea's on this sort of articles.
I'm flemisch and living in Tienen, I also speak french

[fredBelgium]

Hello Jerico,

Is what you speak about Tienen (Tirlemont) close to Hannut? Between Liege and Brussels?

Est ce que tu parles de Tienen (Tirlemont) près de Hannut ? Entre Liège et Bruxelles ?

Fred.

[hmpart]

Here's mine,

B&W:
800D'S
Signature 8NT rears
HTM 1D center

Classe:
Delta Series 400W Monoblocks
CA-5200 power amp
CDP-502
SSP600 processor

[jericho]

Bonjour Jerico,

Est ce que tu parles de Tienen (Tirlemont) près de Hannut ? Entre Liège et Bruxelles ?

Fred.

Yes (oui, c'est ça)

[jericho]

Here's mine,

B&W:
800D'S
Signature 8NT rears
HTM 1D center

Classe:
Delta Series 400W Monoblocks
CA-5200 power amp
CDP-502
SSP600 processor

Very nice setup Howard ;x( ;x( ;x(
The room looks as if it's in a castle!! :E :E

[jericho]

What sort of cable's are you using???

[fredBelgium]

Yes (oui, c'est ça)

Hello Jerico,
Indeed have would say the interior of a castle.
Of my with dimensions I am of Hannut.
We are thus not very far one from the other.
Contact me by email via my site if you want.

Fred. :T

[hmpart]

Jerico,

MIT cable throughout. The interconnects are all balanced.

[D-bucket]

Hello with you,
Here the article which I had made in his time following listening 802/801/800D.

"Hello with you, Here that I launch out following the afternoon of this Tuesday concerning listenings of the 800D/801D/802D, CA-M400 and CA-2200, CDP-102 and CDP-202...

I don't know how I completely missed this review post by you earlier, but now that I have read it I can truly say it was a real joy hearing your detailed observations & graphic impressions of those auditions. I am both captivated and enriched by the impact of your description of your experience during those sessions. Thanks for sharing!

[fredBelgium]

Hello D-bucket,
I find completely normal to divide enters impassioned our experiment on the ground. A very large thank you for your compliments. I still have another article on the CP-700 of Classe Audio.
If that interests you, I post it.
Frederic.

[fredBelgium]

Here still a small article on Bi amplification…

"Initially it is necessary that I explain you a “small trick”. I risk by this listening and description to shock certain people concerning the matos which I could test. It is obvious that it is not at all in my intentions but I want to remain just in my approach. And in this case, it is not always easy to give pleasure with everyone. This mainly on the level of the sources. In spite of that I also had the occasion to discover very good thing. Approach which also allowed me to go even further in the research of the absolute. “A small” bad news… I could not make photographs due to technical problem and I did not want to take the head to me to find a solution because I was concentrated well too much on the subject of the day. Still sorry. Thus I arrive “pilepoil” per hour of appointment and discharge the matos of the car and poses it in the maga. What justifies me at this time is to say to me that it is the penultimate time that I have fun with this small play. M *** E, it is bloody heavy and cumbersome. We assemble the matos to the second (thank you the elevator) and I apply to the connections All does as well as possible. We start with the 802D connected on the 2 CA-2200, the CP-700 and the CDP-102. As a recall, we do not have 202 of dispo, but it is not sand-gravel mix bus today the goal is to make a thorough listening of the acute medium of the 802/800D. It will be necessary for us to be patient bus as you will know it 45 minima minutes are necessary to the heating of the electronic ones. For that we let turn the whole with Michel Jonasz. Measurements of the part must make + - 6 meters out of 5. The ceiling with + - 3m60. Not ideal in the absolute but ideal for a more common and realistic listening compared to our on our premises. Obviously the 802D sounds magnificiently well, like habit. There is nothing to make but it is a small jewel. The only problem that I meet it is a listening enough punt. It goes but not as that would have. In all logic I put that on the account of the part. More than one hour has just passed and we connect on the same electronic 800D. And then there it is the cata. We do not include/understand what occurs, this famous 800D is released by the 802D which controls with some nuances close good better listening. Jeff, Jigé and me let us take conscience quickly that the problem does not come from the enclosures but moreover. In fact the problem comes from the reader… The CDP-102 does not function correctly on the 800D. It is extremely probably related to the requirement of these same enclosures. Jeff who is not astonished at all us prepared a beautiful surprise. A reader making well spoken about him and very tendency. “The” mark reader DCS, the P8I reader CD and SACD. Price catalogues this little marvel 10.000 euros. We connect it and the EC is the slap. Very very impressive by the speed of the provided sound, the frank attacks but with much of nuance and softness. BUT because there is still one but the attacks are not yet those until I wait but especially that that I had with my 802D and this at home. Low register being tended much more and fast. Thus logically and during a 5 minutes pause for débrifer this listening, I outline my order. And, to my great astonishment, it goes at this time in this direction… 801D (to find a certain speed of attack), 2nd CA-2200 and DCS P8I. Now I will make small topo on the difference between the 800D and the 802D concerning Acute the Médium difference. On this point, I must recognize once again that Philippe was right. The Aigu medium, even if it is managed in a different way between the 800D and the 801/802D, is the same one. The only thing which differs it is the cut of transition which is different for each enclosure and this in all logic and that gets along. What is even more insane it is to have been able to manage on the basis of of the same head but especially a body differing such a balance on each enclosure. Really bluffant. Obviously it is from there that we will pass from the 800D to the 802D regularly and this for each swallowed disc. It is always also splendid, but alas I do not have the vibration. In spite of DCS P8I. Because what occurs is that as soon as we listen to very fast orchestrations some frustrations appear. Listening becomes less precise and is automatically more tiring. It is as at this time as all gently we separate from the 802D bus to realistic volume it does not have nothing there to make but the 800D is an animal of race. We assemble volume and anything done there, no dropping of the enclosure. There is a thing which is certain with more we assemble volume to more the this 800D feels at ease. That becomes very perturbing about it.
In fact it is from now that it y will have, for us three, a small psychological seism. Our friend Plit91 had asked me to make a small comparative test between the CDP-102 and the CDP-100. What did not pose any problem to me… An experiment moreover is always the welcome. Thus we again decide to make a small pause for débrifer our listenings. During this time, I connect the CDP-100 and at the same time we prepare the 101 from Plinius. It is there, profit in. It should be known that has this moment we have already three hours of listening in the ears and are as hot as the electronic ones. Thus all is at good temperature. To bore, Mozart, Bach, Madonna, Jonasz and still well of others already ravelled during these three hours. Our ears badly were already not rôdé and are lend to going even further in the sound analysis. We insert in the CDP-100 CD To bore “Companion” and send the third beach. And it is there that we are literally on the “BOTTOM”. That moves finally! What we missed during these three hours of listening is there and well there. The speed of action, déboulement at the speed large one V of all numerical information being on CD. I do not include/understand anything any more. CD then two and then three and one is looked by not including/understanding very well logic in all that. The CDP-100 is a version given up by Classé for lack of drive. In fact they have some in stock but for repairs. Replaced by the CDP-102. That we replug illico presto for comparison. And there it is the catastrophe the CDP-102, the substitute of the CDP-100 is completely released by the CDP-100. Jeff is completely turned over from there. Especially at this point. The CDP-102 is flat, low register not tended, missing whole completely that the CDP-100 has… Incomprehensible. (We will see later that that is not it so much). But the problem goes much further that because we leave for a comparative listening between the CDP-100 and DCS P8I. And there obviously the variation is less, but there remains great question marks. On certain grosses orchestrations, the DCS is scrambled, on other the low register goes down less further. No the problem tells me Jeff who explains me that there are on the DCS 4 filters which makes it possible to obtain, after choice, a different curve. Good perso I find that rather odd and with the key small let us review we them. Indeed we note that curve 2 and 4 function better. Super funny but that points out these famous curves nevertheless to me that one finds on the amplifiers… Home cinema (Church, concert hall, coffee and I pass from there). Obviously it is not also basic, but it is for me identical. What I say myself also it is that as from the moment when it make a reader HDG and/or THDG it must function perfectly on all the musics… Not bars! Finally is. After the tests of listening of these 4 filters (Curved) we note that we always miss these high-speed attacks, this low register deep to see very deep but completely controlled by the CDP-100. Jeff explains us that on the DCS we leave the signal to 2 dB but that via software we can assemble it to 6 dB. Ahead music, retest. Indeed that changes but at all in favour of the reader bus there that becomes aggressive. We will spend more than one hour in company of the 800D, of two CA-2200, CP-700 and CDP-100. One hour completely magic. In fact I find the 802D but in more enormous. Same profile, that of which I am accro. But in more “ouf of ouf”. That moves violently and always without any aggressiveness. Incredible. The large surprise will come from the listening of Plinius. In fact it is rather incredible, but it sticks very ready CDP-100. Except when that becomes ultra rapid, let us say that it patinates a little but it remains for us very good and excellent produced. Maintaining the question is as follows. After having listened to the DCS and knowing that it costs the trifle of 10.000 euros is it reasonable to resell the CDP-100 to make the purchase of the DCS. And well for us three it is not. That is not justified of anything. Because the CDP-100 is a reader of high flight. I will even dare to say an animal of race. What is even more insane it is than it completely convinced me compared to the 800D. It sounded exactly, but in a smaller part, like the 801D listened at B&W Belgium. A precision and a delirious acoustic pressure. I even think that with listened volumes (up to 86 dB on the control panel of the CP-700) the 801D by the means of this famous engraves very deep would very quickly have generated parasitic resonances in a part also little adapted. What control completely these 800D. Here is also the information which seems me to explain and at the same time most logical between these differences in listenings of these 4 Classé readers.
Classe.
CDP-100: 2 X Burr Brown converter N/A.
CDP-202: 3 X Burr Brown but versions more recent.
CDP-102: 1 X Cirrus converter N/A.
CDP-300: 3 X Cirrus converter N/A.

One should not lose sight of the fact that the CDP-100 was the top-of-the-range reader of rising generation Delta and it is certain that they developed it in this direction. Moreover I remain persuaded and convinced that an audio reader pure will be much more powerful than platinums universal. It is really what I withdraw from all listenings that I could make. I would make side of September a comparative test between the CDP-100 and the CDP-202. Thanks to the converters, should have a good surprise with the CDP-202 to us, but there is a thing which is essential for each element of the installation. It is a listening deepened for each element and especially to prevent falling into these various technological fashions that one can see appearing per Ci and there.

Fred, violently tired and still under the shock!"

Fred.