Oppo BDP 83 Blu Ray player

[ray5]

If you're going to use a digital out from the player you're better off sticking to HDMI (instead of the digital coax) and just picking 2ch on the 1570.

I think what you want to do is keep the signal analog all the way. Use analog LR cables from the player to the 1570. Try it out and see if you like it or can hear a difference.

Nikos

When I use the HDMI wouldn't I have to switch the setting of the 1570 to 2 channel every-time?Because the way I have it setup when I select HDMi it triggers bot the 1091 and 1092 and thus all front 3 speakers.
Is there an advantage of keeping it analog except for convenience? Wouldn't digital be better?
Ray

[Ken49r]

ray,

I have the RSP-1069 and use the stereo outputs from the BDP-83 into the tuner input on the 1069. In the 1069 menu I set audio to analogue, and video to hdmi. On the BDP-83 menu, SACD Priority is set to stereo when using analogue, and multi-channel when using hdmi. Since you have the 1570 (1.3) you can set SACD Output to DSD and leave it for both. I use DSD for analogue but have to change to PCM when using hdmi (1.1) for multi-channel. I don't have enough cables to use the multi analogue yet.

Ken

edit: Sorry I forgot the question was for CD not SACD.

For CD use I still like the 2 channel DAC's in the Oppo. The dedicated stereo output is using a Cirrus CS4398 DAC. The multi-channel analog output uses the Cirrus CS4382A DAC.

I currently have a digital coax cable hooked up but feel that the unit is using the HDMI to send it as the HDMI icon lights up on the unit.

All audio outputs are active on the Oppo. If you have hdmi plugged in it will illuminate on the display but the output to speakers will be from the input you select on your processor.

[ray5]

ray,

I have the RSP-1069 and use the stereo outputs from the BDP-83 into the tuner input on the 1069. In the 1069 menu I set audio to analogue, and video to hdmi. On the BDP-83 menu, SACD Priority is set to stereo when using analogue, and multi-channel when using hdmi. Since you have the 1570 (1.3) you can set SACD Output to DSD and leave it for both. I use DSD for analogue but have to change to PCM when using hdmi (1.1) for multi-channel. I don't have enough cables to use the multi analogue yet.

Ken

edit: Sorry I forgot the question was for CD not SACD.

For CD use I still like the 2 channel DAC's in the Oppo. The dedicated stereo output is using a Cirrus CS4398 DAC. The multi-channel analog output uses the Cirrus CS4382A DAC.



All audio outputs are active on the Oppo. If you have hdmi plugged in it will illuminate on the display but the output to speakers will be from the input you select on your processor.

Thanks. Is there a way I can use HDMI for both my bluray and CD needs? If yes how do I configure the processor in sensing that it is receiving only CD signal and thereby trigger my L and R amps and not all three front channels?
It sounds like I have to select a separate output route i.e coax or optical or analog for the CD if I am using HDMI for blu-ray.
Also if all outputs are active why do I see only the HDMI light up, does it mean that that is the route? If it is using digital coax shouldn't that light up as well?
Or should I just use the HDMI for both and just use the front 3 speakers even for CD. That certainly makes it simple. But that poses one issue, right now I don't have surrounds but in the near future will, when I do then that means they will all be triggered!
Ray

[Ken49r]

Is there a way I can use HDMI for both my bluray and CD needs? If yes how do I configure the processor in sensing that it is receiving only CD signal and thereby trigger my L and R amps and not all three front channels?

Yes you can get stereo and multi-channel with the HDMI. By using the 2 ch button it will tell your SSP to only send out the signal to L/R. With HDMI or Optical (digital) you will lose the bypass option in 2 ch mode and are relying on the DAC's in the 1570.

Also if all outputs are active why do I see only the HDMI light up, does it mean that that is the route? If it is using digital coax shouldn't that light up as well?

No, digital doesn't light up unless it is playing a Dolby/DTS track.

[nikos]

Is there an advantage of keeping it analog except for convenience? Wouldn't digital be better?
Ray

As explained above...the analog 2 channel DAC (digital to analog converter) is better suited for stereo sound out of the oppo compared to the one used for multichannel digital.
So this is not for convenience. Convenience would be just using the HDMI cable for everything. You still may have to choose 2channel on the 1570.

Hope this helps.

[Ken49r]

Heres another early review of the BDP-83 from Dr. Bill Gaw @ Enjoy the Music.

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0609/aachapter116.htm

I preferred the internal decoding of the SACD to analog by the OPPO unit as the bass seemed a little more robust and tight and there seemed to be a little more of that "you are there" feeling to the music. Allowing the Integra to do the DSD decoding to PCM slightly decreased the above.

Interestingly, stereo CDs played through the 2.0 analog outputs allowed more ambiance information to come through than the 7.1 outputs. It turns out that the unit has separate DACs for the 2.0 and multi-channel analog outputs. Who says that all DACs sound alike?

I have to admitt that before ray5 asked the question yesterday regarding the CD playback of the BDP-83 I hadn't actually tried it in my system and was only going off of other's responses I have read on other forums. I had only compared analog to HDMI for SACD playback on the Oppo, and like this reviewer I prefer the analog outputs.

note: my equipment is Rotel RSP-1069 (HDMI v1.1), Rotel RCD-1072, B&W 805s set to large, and subwoffer turned off for all tests.

After ray5 presented his question I tried using CD playback in the Oppo first by playing the redbook layer of "Ray Sings Bassie Swings" Telarc SACD-63679 and Alison Krauss and Union Station CD " Lonely Runs Both Ways" Bounder 11661 0525-2.
The sound level droped considerably and the separation seemed less as well. A little too laid back in SQ from what I am used to with the Rotel RCD-1072.

I then tried the Oppo HDMI output (PCM 2 ch) using the DAC's from the Rotel RSP-1069 and the life came back to the sound. Separation and detail came back as well, as did the higher volume level. Bass was much better too.

The final test was to compare the other two to the Rotel RCD-1072 in analogue bypass.

The RCD-1072 wins!
But I am very pleased with the Dac's in the RSP-1069 vs the RCD-1072. Until this experiment I had never compared the two.


I think the Oppo does a really good job with the stereo outputs for SACD, but for CD playback I would hope the Rotels DAC's stand out.

I'm curious to hear what others think with their systems?

ray5
When I use the HDMI wouldn't I have to switch the setting of the 1570 to 2 channel every-time?Because the way I have it setup when I select HDMi it triggers bot the 1091 and 1092 and thus all front 3 speakers.

Ray-
You can keep it HDMI and if you set the 1570 menu to default PCM 2 ch it will automatically switch to multi-channel when you watch Bluray if thats what your trying to do.
Sorry for the confusion .

[wettou]

Let your processor do all the conversion send every thing digitally.

Much nicer sound I tried the Oppo feeding the Classé SSP-800 with HDMi. Whoa the sound it outstanding on Blu Ray, CD, SACD and DVD-Audio unfortunately the Classé SSP-800 won't support DSD

If you have a good pre/pro the player should just be a transport :B

[ray5]

Hi. Thanks all. Here is what I did and found out after reading your advise and hearing from OPPO.
1) CD input can only be via digital coax, optical or analog as per the menu in 1570. Not HDMI.
2) I selected Digital coax and it does work by triggering my L and R, though on the 1570 it lights up L,C and R though I can hear nothing coming out of the center and the 12v trigger has been correctly set to trigger only my 1092 i.e L and R. I wonder why?
3) I want my 1570 to do the decoding for Dolby True HD and DTS MA etc. So I was told to go to the setup of OPPO and in the audio format select bitstream. When I did that and played the movie the 1570 front panel showed Dolby Digital and not TrueHD, when I did LPCM it showed Multi Ch.? Why?
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Ray

[Kevin D]

Hi. Thanks all. Here is what I did and found out after reading your advise and hearing from OPPO.
1) CD input can only be via digital coax, optical or analog as per the menu in 1570. Not HDMI.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Ray

You can set the CD input to come over HDMI, but you need to first set the video input to the HDMI port you are using. Once you do this, you will have a new selection for HDMI Audio.

Kevin D.

[ray5]

You can set the CD input to come over HDMI, but you need to first set the video input to the HDMI port you are using. Once you do this, you will have a new selection for HDMI Audio.

Kevin D.

I am sorry I don't think I understand?
Ray

[ray5]

You can set the CD input to come over HDMI, but you need to first set the video input to the HDMI port you are using. Once you do this, you will have a new selection for HDMI Audio.

Kevin D.

Currently I have the HDMI output from the OPPO to the HDMI in video 2 of the Rotel 1570. Video 1 is HDMI from my cable box. I have HDMI 3 and 4 available. So, what should I do?
Ray

[Kevin D]

Select the CD input and then go into the INPUT SETUP in the menu. Under VIDEO INPUT, select HDMI 2. Then go down to AUDIO INPUT and select HDMI Audio.

The CD input will now also use HDMI 2 for sound.

Kevin D.

[ray5]

Select the CD input and then go into the INPUT SETUP in the menu. Under VIDEO INPUT, select HDMI 2. Then go down to AUDIO INPUT and select HDMI Audio.

The CD input will now also use HDMI 2 for sound.

Kevin D.

Worked!! Thanks. Now the 1570 shows HDMI. But why does the 1570 display still shows FL,C and FR light up though I don't I don't hear anything and clearly it is two channel?One thing I stumbled over while I did this is that the OPPO is simultaneously feeding all outputs i.e when I did the above I still had the coax cable connected and any input on the 1570 that I chose with the coax was playing the CD! Not just the HDMI. Meaning the unit is feeding the signal to multiple outputs at the same time.
Ray

[impala454]

Hooked up the analog outputs to my Denon reciever last night, so finally for the first time heard actual dolby true hd and dts-ma. very very nice. I am still very impressed by this player and feel it was well worth the upgrade.

[Blindamood]

New Denon Universal

I know this is an Oppo thread, but just FYI there is a new 'universal' solution on the horizon...

Denon DBP-4010UD
Price: £1899 (SRP)
Launch: October ’09 (TBC)
Color: Premium Silver, Black

Key Features:
Universal Player Compatible BD, SACD, DVD Audio/Video, CD, Divx,WMA,MP3,JPEG
High quality audio and video
Super SVH (Suppress Vibration Hybrid) Mechanism
HDMI Clock Control via DENON LINK 4th (Reduce jitter and realize pure sound in combination with DENON AV Receiver)
High quality High-bit i/p scaler
Noise Reduction
DDSC HD Circuit
Advanced AL24 MULTI
Supports BD-Live (BD profile 2.0 compatible)
Ease of use
Easy remote controller to use (fine form of keys, Glow Key)
CI features
RS232C, Remote in/out, Remote lock function

[impala454]

could always start a new thread. looks like a pretty sweet player.

[ray5]

Hooked up the analog outputs to my Denon reciever last night, so finally for the first time heard actual dolby true hd and dts-ma. very very nice. I am still very impressed by this player and feel it was well worth the upgrade.

Analog outputs to receiver is doing DTS MA and True HD? I thought you need HDMI for the uncompressed formats.
Ray

[impala454]

the player is doing the decoding then sending the output over 6 or 8 channel outputs (6 in my case)

[ray5]

the player is doing the decoding then sending the output over 6 or 8 channel outputs (6 in my case)

OK. As I am trying to figure this one out for myself does the display show the format being played i.e Ture HD or DTS MA? Thanks
Ray

[impala454]

The display on the reciever will not show anything, as it is not doing any decoding. All it is doing is taking the 5.1 inputs and playing them direct to the speakers. The Oppo is doing the decoding. Does that make sense?

[ray5]

The display on the reciever will not show anything, as it is not doing any decoding. All it is doing is taking the 5.1 inputs and playing them direct to the speakers. The Oppo is doing the decoding. Does that make sense?

Yes, but does the OPPO show anything confirming that is indeed playing these formats or is there a way to find out?
Ray

[Ken49r]

Hooked up the analog outputs to my Denon reciever last night, so finally for the first time heard actual dolby true hd and dts-ma. very very nice. I am still very impressed by this player and feel it was well worth the upgrade.

Dave Mathews Tim Reynolds "Live at Radio City" Roy Orbison "Black and White Nights" are two good Blu-rays with 96k playback.

It will take what your hearing in movies up another level.

Yes, but does the OPPO show anything confirming that is indeed playing these formats or is there a way to find out?

It shows on the Oppo display.

[impala454]

I have not looked at the front panel display while it was playing. I can do that later if you like. You're just looking for something that says TrueHD lit up?? Not really sure what you're after.

Thanks for the suggestion Ken

[ray5]

I have not looked at the front panel display while it was playing. I can do that later if you like. You're just looking for something that says TrueHD lit up?? Not really sure what you're after.

Thanks for the suggestion Ken

Thanks. Well, I am a novice at this and perhaps won't be able to discern the difference between the formats but curious to experience if I can or not. So before I dance around and say I love True HD or DTS MA I want to be sure that that is what I am hearing. I am going to play around with my setup also and don't want to burden you but if you do see it let me know. Thanks.
Ray

[Ken49r]

It displays on the Oppo when the signal is recognized. Same with SACD, DVD-A, and HDMI.

[Ken49r]

Thanks for the suggestion Ken

On the Spears & Munsil Calibration disc the opening scene audio is in 96k also. Watch your display on the Denon.

[impala454]

Yeah when I had it hooked up HDMI I did see the 96k light up for those scenes. But I did analog 5.1 now so the receiver is not doing any decoding.

[ray5]

Chuck and Ken
Thanks. I went through some above mentioned maneuvers but nothing happened. Went into the Blu-ray menu and did not find any audio options. Called OPPO and he did some stuff but finally it was what Ken had mentioned. The Dark Knight has DD as the first audio option as default. To cycle through the other options you press the audio button on the bottom left of the OPPO remote and the second option was True HD and when selected both the OPPO and Rotel 1570 showed True HD and 48K. Problem resolved and now I have to find out if I indeed notice a difference in audio quality.
Thanks guys.
Ray

[Ken49r]

The Dark Knight has DD as the first audio option as default. To cycle through the other options you press the audio button on the bottom left of the OPPO remote and the second option was True HD and when selected both the OPPO and Rotel 1570 showed True HD and 48K.Ray

I didn't know about the Oppo remote audio button having a shortcut to the audio on Blu-ray. I had only seen it mentioned for switching SACD from Multi-channel to stereo.

That's important to know. :T

Thanks Ray

[wettou]

I didn't know about the Oppo remote audio button having a shortcut to the audio on Blu-ray. I had only seen it mentioned for switching SACD from Multi-channel to stereo. That's important to know. :T Thanks Ray

We should start a tip thread for Oppo BDP-83 :T

[Blindamood]

Secrets Review

The Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity site has posted a pretty thorough review of the Oppo BDP-83.

[Gump]

Professor Kal also wrote a nice piece on the 83 in the latest Stereophile.

[Blindamood]

Oppo now for sale!

Was on the Oppo site this morning, and noticed that the BDP-83 is now available for sale to the general public!

[Blindamood]

Just ordered mine, btw -- whoo hoo!

Glad the price is still $499 for the public release.

[Gump]

Congratulations on your purchase, Brad! I am really impressed with my 83 and I'm sure you're gonna enjoy yours too.

The review you posted is dead on accurate with my observations as well.

The only issue I've had so far is with DVD-Audio multichannel playback. The 2 channel is perfect, but multichannel is sped up...kinda like playing an LP at too high of a speed. I haven't contacted Oppo about it yet.

Other than that, I am very happy with it!

[Blindamood]

Yeah, from what I've read they're working through a number of bugs related to DVD-A playback. I'm sure the work will continue, but I'm surprised they haven't posted a more recent firmware update yet, before going public. I trust they'll get it right, as they did in the 980H that I have currently.

[Chris D]

You know... for that price, you can still get a PS3 and have a complete gaming system as well as everything else, other than DVD-A.

[Blindamood]

Yeah, from what I've read they're working through a number of bugs related to DVD-A playback. I'm sure the work will continue, but I'm surprised they haven't posted a more recent firmware update yet, before going public. I trust they'll get it right, as they did in the 980H that I have currently.

Speak of the devil...new firmware update was posted today, with numerous fixes related to DVD-A included.

The user manual has been updated as well, to include the new capabilities.

[Kevin D]

You know... for that price, you can still get a PS3 and have a complete gaming system as well as everything else, other than DVD-A.

Can't get a PS3 that plays SACD anymore.

Kevin D.

[Chris D]

Ahhhh..... that does remind, me though, that I need to upgrade the hard drive on my PS3. (that does have SACD playback)

[Hdale85]

I always found the PS3 a bit noisy. The BDP 83 looks nice though.

[impala454]

The Oppo is leaps and bounds above the PS3 as a blu-ray player IMHO. Very responsive (it's as responsive as any DVD player I've had), plus SACD & DVD-A. Totally worth the $499. I had no need for a PS3 game system, I have two XBox 360s already, and wanted to jump into the world of SACD/DVD-A. I must say I have been very impressed with both formats so far :T

If you want the game system and don't need analog outputs, I suppose a PS3 is fine, but in my case (needed analog outputs, and wanted the other formats) the Oppo fit the bill perfectly.

[Blindamood]

I think the Oppo is pretty revolutionary, really. I mean, how long has it been since blu-ray began with "coming soon", then when the format started to stabilize, how many people were asking for a good universal player that would play their high-rez multi-channel music too? It's been a while...and now it's finally here. Yes, there is always the Denon $4.5K alternative, but for the price, this Oppo player is the best thing to come along in a long time, IMO.

No disc left behind... 8)

[Nolan B]

I think the Oppo is pretty revolutionary, really. I mean, how long has it been since blu-ray began with "coming soon", then when the format started to stabilize, how many people were asking for a good universal player that would play their high-rez multi-channel music too? It's been a while...and now it's finally here. Yes, there is always the Denon $4.5K alternative, but for the price, this Oppo player is the best thing to come along in a long time, IMO.

No disc left behind... 8)

The Oppo loads faster then the Denon and doesnt downsample SACD to 16/44.1 when using HDMI like the Denon

for the last read I would say the Oppo is still the only TRUE universal player.

[Gump]

I have them both--PS3 & Oppo BDP-83-- 8), and as much as I like the PS3 the Oppo is the better choice for my HT/Hi-Fi system. Load times are quicker; looks more traditional with the rest of the equipment in the rack; remote is more user friendly; runs MUCH cooler (I could have cooked a rotisserie chicken with the PS3); runs quieter (fan in PS3 was loud after extended use); plays all formats (my recent model PS3 didn't play SACD or DVD-Audio; also, the menu, set-up, and operation are all easier and more user friendly (not that the PS3 was THAT difficult), picture on the Oppo is phenominal, ....etc..

I love the PS3 and it's still doing a great job for us in the kid's playroom, but the Oppo is the new King of BluRay in my primary system in the Family room.

Now for gaming---that's another story.