Oppo BDP 83 Blu Ray player

[planitismetal]

Region codes are a mandate of the production companies, more specifically their distribution arms. DVDs are released with quasi-exclusive regional distribution rights. One company might distribute a film in the US, and another in Europe, plus they are often released at different times. The region codes ensure this exclusivity is maintained.

This is the easy way... The other thing is that the companies, can sell the BD DVD, in some countries in higher prices!!! THIS IS FOR SURE!!!!! Sorry but Pirates Of Caribbean in BD why should have a region code??? (old movie, best seller in dvd)...

[planitismetal]

I don't understand why regioncodes should help against pirating. Thought it would be the other way round.

:agree:

[audioqueso]

Because it is not smart business to release one American movie everywhere in the world all at the same time. It will interfere with that country's movie production and economy. And that all effects the DVD/BD release.

For example:
Say summer block busters. A Tom Cruise movie will easily gross top pay just because it has Tom Cruise, right? The movie comes out in summer, say the video is release November/December time frame. Well, let's take England or Japan's movie production. That country's big star or production studio has their big blockbuster coming out in the summer. Coincidentally, it's on the same month. It may be apparent that a name like Tom Cruise will out-sell their own country's big movie. Now whose movie is going to help that country more? Every country will always want to promote something from their own country more because of where the money goes. So when it falls into those circumstances, that country changes the release date of the American movie so that it does not interfere with the sales of their own movies.

So... the American movie that is released in May in America may be released in August in England, and may be released in December in Japan. The DVD/BD may come out in the US in October. If it came out in October in England, this will interfere with DVD sales in England. In Japan, this will interfere with their box office sales completely. So people will try to pirate the movie regardless. It's encoded to prevent the mass sale of the movies enough so that it doesn't interfere with box office or dvd sales. Lastly, keep in mind that an American movie in box office will not help one economy as much as the DVD/BD sale of that American movie because even though the movie is from American, the DVD/BD release in that country is actual produced in that country/region. American companies do not do the final production of the movie in another country.

Sorry, kinda long. But does that make sense? Hence, it's not smart business.

[littlesaint]

Personally, region codes are not a big deal to me. I've never had the need to buy anything other than a US release. However, if I were a distributor, I think they are necessary. I would not want to work out a distribution deal in Europe having to abide by any trade laws for that region (which dictates price), only to have people go out and purchase the US version because it's cheaper or comes out a month earlier. It's not a perfect solution, but for selling to the average everyday consumer, it works.

[impala454]

Because it is not smart business to release one American movie everywhere in the world all at the same time. It will interfere with that country's movie production and economy. And that all effects the DVD/BD release.

For example:
Say summer block busters. A Tom Cruise movie will easily gross top pay just because it has Tom Cruise, right? The movie comes out in summer, say the video is release November/December time frame. Well, let's take England or Japan's movie production. That country's big star or production studio has their big blockbuster coming out in the summer. Coincidentally, it's on the same month. It may be apparent that a name like Tom Cruise will out-sell their own country's big movie. Now whose movie is going to help that country more? Every country will always want to promote something from their own country more because of where the money goes. So when it falls into those circumstances, that country changes the release date of the American movie so that it does not interfere with the sales of their own movies.

So... the American movie that is released in May in America may be released in August in England, and may be released in December in Japan. The DVD/BD may come out in the US in October. If it came out in October in England, this will interfere with DVD sales in England. In Japan, this will interfere with their box office sales completely. So people will try to pirate the movie regardless. It's encoded to prevent the mass sale of the movies enough so that it doesn't interfere with box office or dvd sales. Lastly, keep in mind that an American movie in box office will not help one economy as much as the DVD/BD sale of that American movie because even though the movie is from American, the DVD/BD release in that country is actual produced in that country/region. American companies do not do the final production of the movie in another country.

Sorry, kinda long. But does that make sense? Hence, it's not smart business.

That doesn't seem to stop companies from other countries from releasing competing products in the U.S. though. IMHO they can just suck it up and realize we make better movies than they do.

[Hdale85]

The problem with region codes is movies that aren't released here. Honestly the region code doesn't really say what's going to be released where and when. They can easily release it in different time sets in each country without the region code. People already order from over seas sometimes. I have friends that do it but mostly for stuff that's not released here.

[littlesaint]

Overseas ordering is why there are region codes. For a particular film, it may be distributed by Universal in the US, but Fox in Europe. Neither wants to lose sales overseas due to pricing or timing, so they implement region codes to prevent it. I could see how it might be a problem if there's no distributor in your country, but that's business.

[audioqueso]

That doesn't seem to stop companies from other countries from releasing competing products in the U.S. though.

True. But not enough effecting mass sale.

IMHO they can just suck it up and realize we make better movies than they do.

That's a bit narrow minded, isn't it? No offense, but even if I do agree with you, I didn't expect that comment from you.

[crytklmass]

well crap, after reading this do I buy the new Oppo, Denon 3800bdi, or Pioneer. (there all close to $1000.00) I would prefer a single player. One that plays CD, DVD,DVD-A (archived Backups) BluRay. bonus =Mp3, HD, SACD. Maybe I'll still need 2 players.

[JürgenW]

well crap, after reading this do I buy the new Oppo, Denon 3800bdi, or Pioneer. (there all close to $1000.00) I would prefer a single player. One that plays CD, DVD,DVD-A (archived Backups) BluRay. bonus =Mp3, HD, SACD. Maybe I'll still need 2 players.

I don't deny possible economic advantages in keeping region codes (I do understand to little about that to give a good opinion), although I think speaking about regions here denies that we are leaving quite some time in a global village.

The discussion started with a remark was about pirating. I think region codes stimulates people to get them everywhere anyhow, because people want it at the same time and not some time later or with the same features.

I am strictly against pirating.
It could be that I will need 2 players, too, as crytklmass suggests.

[planitismetal]

I found that post in Amazon.co.uk:

"The Panasonic DMP-BD30 Blu-ray multi-region player has now just been made available here:

http://www.bluraymods.com/ourproducts-detail-player.asp?id=205

Plays all DVD region 1,2,3,4,5,6 (Automatic) PAL/NTSC.
Plays all Blu-Ray region A,B,C (Manual Switchable) PAL/NTSC.
ICOS Modified, 100% upgradable.
Can be upgraded with all the latest firmware updates, will NOT effect the ICOS modification.

This player comes with a small step down converter 220-110v.

€499

And also note that when chipped:
Sony and Pioneer models can play dual-region Blu-ray but _not multi-region DVD_ (some can play dual-region DVD, but none can play all regions like the Samsung models or that Panasonic above)."



IS IT TRUE???

[audioqueso]

I hope it is. It can't be legit and go against the BDA's rules at the same. If it is legit, that means some rules must have change... and that means... region-free time!!

[littlesaint]

That Panny has been modified to allow multi-region capabilities. It's not a secret that most players can be modified to make them multi-region. I think studios know there will be a certain amount of people who do this, but insignificant to the total number of consumers buying players, so their distribution investments are safe. Region codes are not there to stop pirating. That's DRM. Region codes are just to make sure the majority of consumers purchase discs distributed in their region and not overseas.

[wettou]

Because it is not smart business to release one American movie everywhere in the world all at the same time.

Exactly right it's just a question of money :B Please stay on track plesae go back to the OPPO BDP83

[aud19]

Can't you just make a "region-free backup" using DVD Shrink?

[planitismetal]

Can't you just make a "region-free backup" using DVD Shrink?

In this case, we won't buy the dvd, or bd, we can download it... I am talking about original discs!! This is my lunatic... If it is not original, is nothing...

[Nolan B]

This may help what some are looking for.

http://www.custom-ht.com/oppo.html

[aud19]

In this case, we won't buy the dvd, or bd, we can download it... I am talking about original discs!! This is my lunatic... If it is not original, is nothing...

Sorry you lost me here...? I just meant if you have a say Region 1 player with Region 2 discs that you've bought and paid for, just make a region-free copy of your discs with DVD Shrink and problem solved. No need to download or pirate anything.

[audioqueso]

Can't you just make a "region-free backup" using DVD Shrink?

Yeah... not really an option for me. Don't really want to do that 100-200 times for my region 2 DVDs.

[JürgenW]

The recent Firmware Update includes:
The major changes included in this version are:

1. Preliminary DVD-Audio Support.

This firmware version provides preliminary support for DVD-Audio playback. The DVD-Audio feature is still at a very early stage, and this firmware is just a proof of concept. Disc compatibility issues and menu navigation difficulties are expected. We are accelerating the implementation and will provide improvements with future firmware updates.

2. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting the bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio.

3. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting some discs with Dolby TrueHD audio tracks, such as the "Celine Dion: Live in Las Vegas - A New Day" disc.

4. Slow motion playback.

This firmware version adds a "slow motion playback" feature. To access this feature, please first pause the playback, and then use the left and right arrow buttons to select a slow motion playback speed. DVD-Video discs and Blu-ray Discs without BD-Java navigation are supported for this feature.

5. Other general disc compatibility and performance improvements.

see: http://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-8...e-16-0320.aspx

[aud19]

3. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting some discs with Dolby TrueHD audio tracks, such as the "Celine Dion: Live in Las Vegas - A New Day" disc.

That doesn't sound like an issue to me that sounds like a feature!! I'd pay extra for a feature that automatically drops any Celine related audio :rofl:

[Nolan B]

I just got the invite from Oppo to buy this player. Anyone else form this forum get it?

[audioqueso]

They're doing a 3rd round of the Early Adoption Program???

[Armbender]

They're doing a 3rd round of the Early Adoption Program???

that would suck..im waiting impatiently now for it to be released...

[Blindamood]

They're doing a 3rd round of the Early Adoption Program???

No, it looks like they're making the final version available for sale to those who write Oppo and expressed an interest in the player a while back. Sounds like it's selling at the same price ($499) as the EAP'ers were getting it for.

[audioqueso]

Sweet.... but I'm still not interested until I see that someone makes it region free for DVD. Additionally, I'd like to hear from fellow HTGuide members to hear how the CD playback compares to high quality CD players.

[Ken49r]

I just got the invite from Oppo to buy this player. Anyone else form this forum get it?

Hey Vancouver the timing couldn't be any better since this fits in with your decision to purchase a new SSP & BR player based on the OPPO's 7.1 analogue performance.

Good for you and I can't wait to hear how you review it with your RSP-1069 in both HDMI and analogue.

Maybe someone from OPPO has been following your other thread. :W

Ken

[Nolan B]

Hey Vancouver the timing couldn't be any better since this fits in with your decision to purchase a new SSP & BR player based on the OPPO's 7.1 analogue performance.

Good for you and I can't wait to hear how you review it with your RSP-1069 in both HDMI and analogue.

Maybe someone from OPPO has been following your other thread. :W

Ken

Im actually in the midst of deciding if I will buy the stock Oppo version or a aftermarket Oppo with upgrades done...I should know by the end of today. Either way Im very excited to play with some new toys :T

[Ken49r]

Im actually in the midst of deciding if I will buy the stock Oppo version or a aftermarket Oppo with upgrades done...I should know by the end of today. Either way Im very excited to play with some new toys :T

Is it possible to purchase both and give a side by side comparison? You won't have any problem selling either unit when your done.

[Nolan B]

Is it possible to purchase both and give a side by side comparison? You won't have any problem selling either unit when your done.

sure its possible, but I am not a product reviewer not do I like going through the process of selling AV stuff. i usually give my old stuff away to friends for killer deals that I dont end up trading in because I am to lazy to try and sell it.

I will admit that i would be very interested in the comparison. If I knew someone in my city who was getting the Oppo maybe I would invite them over for a beer to compare.

That person would have to be a she, and she would have to be hot...so chances are pretty slim I think.

[littlesaint]

I just ordered mine.

arty:

[Blindamood]

I just ordered mine.

arty:

Got my email invite, too. Have 'till May 2 to decide/order...

[Ken49r]

Me too! Ordered without any hesitation since I already had the funds put away for it. :T

:dothewave:

[ripcard]

Got the invite too and ordered mine this morning. The shipping and duties will probably make me cringe but at least the wait is just about over.

[Nolan B]

Got the invite too and ordered mine this morning. The shipping and duties will probably make me cringe but at least the wait is just about over.

The shipping is high ($88 USD), but its possible you wont pay any duty. Im not really sure if this falls under NAFTA or not.

[impala454]

Got my invite as well... tryin to decide if I wanna get rid of some stock and pick this sucker up...

[HedgeHog]

The shipping is high ($88 USD), but its possible you wont pay any duty. Im not really sure if this falls under NAFTA or not.

If it has a huge "Made In China" sticker on it, you'll get stung for duties. The only way around this is either a) final assembly was done in the States or Mexico or b) it can be considered as PC equipment. Don't think we're in luck.

BTW, I ordered mine a couple of days ago and it says that shipping will be May 4th. Yay.

[Nolan B]

If it has a huge "Made In China" sticker on it, you'll get stung for duties. The only way around this is either a) final assembly was done in the States or Mexico or b) it can be considered as PC equipment. Don't think we're in luck.

BTW, I ordered mine a couple of days ago and it says that shipping will be May 4th. Yay.

It says assembled in china, so yea we will pay duties...maybe $40?

I ordered mine yesterday...di your confirmation have a ship date?

[HedgeHog]

It says assembled in china, so yea we will pay duties...maybe $40?

I ordered mine yesterday...di your confirmation have a ship date?

Yeah, you're right. About CAD$40ish for duties, then add 12% PST/GST.

I just checked the order status and it's changed. It used to say Est. week of May 4th. Now it has a 2-week window.

"Status : Order Verified. Est Ship Date: May 5 - 21, 2009"

So for some BD, I'll have to use LPCM to the SSP-800 until the dual proc card comes out. I'm curious to hear SACD and DVD-A since I've only played plain old CDs so far.

When does yours ship?

-H

[Nolan B]

Yeah, you're right. About CAD$40ish for duties, then add 12% PST/GST.

I just checked the order status and it's changed. It used to say Est. week of May 4th. Now it has a 2-week window.

"Status : Order Verified. Est Ship Date: May 5 - 21, 2009"

So for some BD, I'll have to use LPCM to the SSP-800 until the dual proc card comes out. I'm curious to hear SACD and DVD-A since I've only played plain old CDs so far.

When does yours ship?

-H

I dont see where I can check when it ships. The only email i got was an order confirmation, and it doesnt say on it.

[btf1980]

I dont see where I can check when it ships. The only email i got was an order confirmation, and it doesnt say on it.

On the confirmation e-mail, there should be a link provided that allows you to view your order status. It tells you when it will ship.

[Hammie]

I pulled the trigger and got one. Now I get to add SACD's and get rid of my old Oppo DVD player that I used for my DVD-A's. My Panny BD35 will go off to my in-laws to pair with their Panny plasma.

My estimated ship date is: May 5-21, 2009. I hope it's not the 21st.

[Ken49r]

Anyone know why they are not shiping them with the DVD-A and HDCD logos on the faceplate? I know this probably is no issue to most as long as it decodes them.

Ken

[Nolan B]

Anyone know why they are not shiping them with the DVD-A and HDCD logos on the faceplate? I know this probably is no issue to most as long as it decodes them.

Ken

Its because the faceplates were made before they finalized the DVD A spec. It wasnt worth redoing them in order to add DVD A.

Personally I am looking into a way to remove ALL the logos from the front anyway, so its one less to worry about.

[Ken49r]

Its because the faceplates were made before they finalized the DVD A spec. It wasnt worth redoing them in order to add DVD A.

I wonder if OPPO had any intention to add DVD-A before customers wrote in requesting it? They must have manufactured a lot of units to be shipping them without the logo next week.

Personally I am looking into a way to remove ALL the logos from the front anyway, so its one less to worry about.

My preference would be to have them all on there including HDCD or none at all.