Let's be bad guys... Who's heard the Ayre VX-5 or AX-5?

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  • JonMarsh
    Mad Max Moderator
    • Aug 2000
    • 15284

    Let's be bad guys... Who's heard the Ayre VX-5 or AX-5?

    I've left well enough alone in Audio Hideout for too long- time to stir up a little trouble...

    Let's see a show of hands first... how may of you have heard of Dick Baker?

    OK, maybe you haven't heard of him, but you've heard of a Baker Clamp? (If you've ever designed switch mode power supplies with bipolar transistors or high slew rate audio amplifiers, you should know what that is...) (invented by Dick Baker, of course).

    OK, well another little gem he came up with in the late 70's was the diamond buffer, which relied on the characteristics possible with highly matched PNP and NPN transistors to make a very high linearity, very fast output buffer; it's been applied in a variety of integrated circuits by National Semiconductor and others, but never previously in a power amplifier, until the introduction of the Ayre AX-5 125W/channel Integrated and VX-5 175W/channel power amp. For those not familiar, all Ayre products are ZERO loop feedback designs- this is a challenging way to go, and requires that each circuit stage be ultra linear on it's own. As is usual, they use motor drive shallco attenuators for the volume control, but this time, like their R series preamp, with the variable transconductance control, not a conventional attenuator style volume control.

    I've been wondering for a while what kind of innovation would be coming out of Ayre, if there was some spark left, and I think we have the answer. There's lots more material and reviews out on the AX-5 - it's getting a pretty good rep. My personal interest lies more with the VX-5- I don't need an integrated at this point, not really having any analog sources, but the AX-5 is fairly impressive too.

    And for a zero feedback design, the performance is pretty dang good by conventional metrics- as this curve from Stereophile shows.

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    So, all I'm going to post here is some more pretty pictures... go out and find a dealer to listen to one at, and report back. I dare you, in fact, I double dog dare you...


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    And for the VX-5 Stereo Power Amp:


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    350W /channel at 4 ohms....
    Last edited by theSven; 24 June 2023, 19:18 Saturday. Reason: Update image location
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  • Johnloudb
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    • May 2007
    • 1877

    #2
    Yes, very bad Jon!!! Have you no shame ... pushing your friends audio products? :W Okay, here is a diamond buffer output stage ... oh let's see, may push a few watts into 8 ohms. You know, chances are that this came before the Ayre VX-5. Of course you have to build it yourself!

    That is very good performance from a zero feedback design, and I know the diamond buffer has very low distortion. Surprising it hasn't been used as an output stage in high-end commercial amps before now, didn't know that. Hadn't heard of the VX-5 either. Thanks for sharing!!!

    Diamond Buffer - http://www.diamondstar.de/dDB_design.html

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    • JonMarsh
      Mad Max Moderator
      • Aug 2000
      • 15284

      #3
      thanks for the response, John- I didn't want to give this away, but I've used a circuit very much like the above in preamps in the 70's, as an output stage.

      And yes, I have no shame- which I why I prefaced the title of this thread with the Serenity quote!
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      • Finleyville
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2006
        • 350

        #4
        I wish I lived in an area with access to equipment like this to audition. And, of course, access to money to actually purchase the equipment!
        BE ALERT! The world needs more lerts.

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        • JonMarsh
          Mad Max Moderator
          • Aug 2000
          • 15284

          #5
          Like Bill and Dan do - sometimes you've gotta go on a road trip!

          Ironically, though the Bay area has some fairly high end dealers, most of the good high end auditions I've done have been out of the area- sometimes at shows like RMAF, sometimes at specialty stores in Germany. i have a friend there that gets a lot of stuff in from a local dealer to auction, and he often has something new around to play with when I visit Munich on business.
          the AudioWorx
          Natalie P
          M8ta
          Modula Neo DCC
          Modula MT XE
          Modula Xtreme
          Isiris
          Wavecor Ardent

          SMJ
          Minerva Monitor
          Calliope
          Ardent D

          In Development...
          Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
          Obi-Wan
          Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
          Modula PWB
          Calliope CC Supreme
          Natalie P Ultra
          Natalie P Supreme
          Janus BP1 Sub


          Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
          Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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          • PewterTA
            Moderator
            • Nov 2004
            • 2901

            #6
            Where does he get all these wonderful toys! HA HA.

            Great now another thing to add to the list that I want to hear......

            I'd love to get all Ayre equipment.... Just need to find that seed for the money tree first!

            *goes off looking for closest Ayre dealer*
            Digital Audio makes me Happy.
            -Dan

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