Benchmark DAC1 & the Rotel RCD-1072 using CAT Cables, Nordost & Audioquest

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  • Jeff
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 281

    Benchmark DAC1 & the Rotel RCD-1072 using CAT Cables, Nordost & Audioquest

    Within the past week, I’ve been able to mix, match and compare the following. Benchmark DAC1, Rotel RCD-1072 using Nordost Red Dawn I/C’s (balanced) and Cat Cables Kingcats RCA’s and Audioquest King Cobra RCA’s.

    The Rotel and King Cobra’s I’ve had for a while, the others are newer acquisitions.

    At this point I’m running everything through my Sony 777ES pre/pro. Please review my profile to see my other equipment.
    Using the Rotel with the AQ King Cobra cables has been a joy. My favorite music range from jazz, blues to hard rock.

    Comparing the Rotel to the Benchmark using the AQ cables there was betterment in favor of the Benchmark. This was found in two areas, the low midrange and the upper treble. The first was reduced which appeared so as to not mask the other frequencies. The latter was more subtle than the first, upper ranges were slightly better defined, I mean slightly. Frankly, I had expected more out of the Benchmark.

    Next I received my Nordost Red Dawn, balanced. I connected these directly from the Benchmark to my Proceed Amp because my Sony didn’t have Balance inputs. The lower frequencies were fat and less defined than the AQ cables. Less definition in the lower midrange as well. I’ve read very good reviews of this combination and wanted to give the Benchmark every opportunity to prove itself. I’m continuing to put many hours of break in to these cables which are producing some results.
    I expect them to get slightly better defined with some additional time, but I’m not expecting a transformation of their sound far above where they’re currently at.

    I then received my Kingcats from CAT Cables. I connected them from my Benchmark to the Proceed Amp. Using the 9th track on Tracy Chapman’s New Beginning cd I was somewhat bewildered.
    The opening guitar track was very scalped and dynamic. The upper midrange and treble were very clear and smooth, more in front. Any type of low frequency grunge had disappeared. Why hadn’t I heard that before? Switching to two Diana Krull cd’s, her voice was as smooth as I’d ever heard it. She was just “there”. The heavy hitting bass guitar from Joss Stone’s first cd, Mind, Body and Soul was a joy to listen to. The lower frequencies were firm with more punch than the other cables. The female voices from these and other cd’s had a greater texture and dynamic. These were NOT subtle changes. These was a GREATER improvement when comparing the difference between my Rotel RB-1080 amp to my Proceed Amp 3, which to me, said a lot.

    I then connected the Kingcats to the Rotel cd player and the AQ cables to the Benchmark. The difference between the two almost disappeared. The Benchmark still maintained an edge but the difference was only subtle and would not have prevented me from returning the Benchmark to the mfr.

    I have come away with the following impressions. The Benchmark can offer a great deal as long as the proper output cables are used. As for the Kingcats, I’m truly impressed.
    The improvements I’ve heard were unexpected. I had expected this from the Benchmark alone which wasn’t the case. But when matched with the Kingcats, I now understand why the Benchmark has it's reputation.

    Jeff
  • Kent Turb0
    Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 46

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    • Jeff
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2004
      • 281

      #3
      The AQ cables served as my starting point for comparing the Benchmark to the Rotel primarily because I had been using these cables for several years and understood what they offered. A secondary benefit was to determine which cable was superior.

      That award would go to the Kingcats which are made by CAT Cables. Frankly, they were the real victor of my comparisons. The betterment when using the Kingcats over the AQ or Nordost cables were not subtle when connected to the Benchmark.

      AQ King Cobra sells for $175. The Kingcats are not much more in price given the difference in performance. Kingcats are what I would recommend.

      There were a number of older recordings where the AQ cables soften the thinner, sharp edges which are prevalent on older recordings. This was more an issue of how the record company transferred the old LP’s to CD’s. Don’t get me wrong, the AQ cable are good cables. Ones I will not be disposing of. For my more critical paths, from CD player to pre amp or from pre amp to amp for the R & L speakers, better cables should be used.

      Jeff

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      • twitch54
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 340

        #4
        Jeff, Thanks for the review, I do think your cable comparison was not quite "apples to apples" since the Kingcats are a silver cable and I thought the AQ King Cobras were copper ?? If in fact they are copper then a comparison with King Cats copper equivelent would make more sense.
        Dave

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        • Jeff
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2004
          • 281

          #5
          twitch, you're right. Kingcats are silver where the King Cobras are AQ best copper. I had been slowly upgrading my cables to AQ King Cobras. I had always thought about AQ silver cable (Cheetahs), but with a price which exceeds $1,000 they had been beyond my pain threshold. Even through Audiogone, they are twice the price of my current silver cables.

          My main focus had been on seeing how much better, if any, the DAC1 was over my Rotel. I timed this along with the purchase of two new cables, the Red Dawn's and Kingcats.

          Before adding any new cables I used only my Audioquests to see what the Benchmark had to offer. The discover of "the cable factor" only came to light once additional comparisions were made. I felt it important to include this information.

          The resolution of the Benchmark is quite high. The use of Silver in the chain seems to be what the DAC1 needs to truely excell, IMHO.

          Jeff

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          • aud19
            Twin Moderator Emeritus
            • Aug 2003
            • 16706

            #6
            Nice list of gear there! :P I'm sure Doug will be happy to see this post when he runs across it :T The man does make some dang nice cables for the $$ :T
            Jason

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            • twitch54
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2006
              • 340

              #7
              [QUOTE=Jeff]The resolution of the Benchmark is quite high. The use of Silver in the chain seems to be what the DAC1 needs to truely excell, IMHO.


              Jeff, A good cable to try as well would be the DH Labs Revalation, it is considered by many to be a superb IC for the $$. Also Moon-Audio has a silver IC in their line-up as well. I have been contemplating trying out some of their stuff also.
              Dave

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              • Lex
                Moderator Emeritus
                • Apr 2001
                • 27461

                #8
                Apparently Twitch, you either don't get it, or you are not really with it here at HTG concerning who pays the bills. To come in right after a glowing review of our main cable company sponsor's product, to also say somehow his comparison of similarly priced cables was somehow not a fair comparison because the CATs are silver? Uh, excuse me while I say, bull.., comparisons are all about comparing similarly priced products, not like metal products necessarily.

                If AQ or any other manufacturer wants to be compared to the CATs silver cables with solid silver connector pins at barely over 200.00 for a 1 meter pair of cables with silver cables, then they should manufacture some silver for that price, but to somehow say a customer should only compare CATs cables that would be lower priced, because you have to do that to compare like metal cables, that is not very logical.

                As far as the other brand recomendations, I see your comment as having positively no relevence to this thread at all. CAT was compared to two other high end brands here, both of which are well known, and CAT did very well. Will it really make a difference to throw brands other than Nordost and AQ at them? Perhaps not unless you want to compare cables costing much more.

                I believe Jeff's point of the extremely good dollar value of CAT has been well stated, and thanks Jeff. I neither asked Jeff for this review, nor had any influence. I knew some of his equipment, and that he was trying the DAC, beyond that, I just sold him what we determined fit his budget and needs.

                Doug
                Doug
                "I'm out there Jerry, and I'm loving every minute of it!" - Kramer

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                • twitch54
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 340

                  #9
                  Hey Lex, Cool your Jets !!!! First let me publicly apologize to you.....I'm sorry. Now with that said if you looked at my initial thread you will see i used the word "quite' in front of "apples to apples", all I was doing was pointing out that with two different metals one can expect differnt sonic impressions ! Jeff I thought implied that he preferred the characteristics of the silver that is why I "mentioned" the other two cables.

                  Again I apologize, so lets not blow this out of proportion !!
                  Dave

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                  • chinets
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 855

                    #10
                    Great review Jeff and well written!!!!!

                    I found this whole thread extremely interesting ,as I was never a cable believer !!!
                    I always thought cables did very little in a set up ,although I have good cables, because that came with my B&W deal with my local dealer!!! I guess from this review, I have serious thoughts of upgrading all my cables!

                    I live in the middle East now, for work, so where can I get these CAT cables if I were to buy them?? Can someone tell me if they would ship CAT cables from the U.S. or any company that would ?? What are the prices too??

                    Again thanks Jeff for your vital information, as you have made me think seriously of buying CAT cables now!!!

                    Thanks In advance guys!!

                    Cheers!

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                    • aud19
                      Twin Moderator Emeritus
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 16706

                      #11
                      Chinets, Cat is the forum sponsor so you can click on the Cat logo at the top or bottom of the page or use this link:



                      I know Doug does do some International orders but you'll have to discuss options and possible added costs for anything outside N.A. I'd imagine.
                      Jason

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                      • chinets
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 855

                        #12
                        Yeah, aud19,
                        I knew that CAT is the forum sponsor, but I had no idea that they would export or deliver their cables outside the U.S., and especially to the Middle East??
                        Thanks for your kind help and I will get in touch with Doug!
                        Cheers pal

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                        • 8thDwarf
                          Member
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 57

                          #13
                          Originally posted by twitch54
                          Hey Lex, Cool your Jets !!!! First let me publicly apologize to you.....I'm sorry. Now with that said if you looked at my initial thread you will see i used the word "quite' in front of "apples to apples", all I was doing was pointing out that with two different metals one can expect differnt sonic impressions ! Jeff I thought implied that he preferred the characteristics of the silver that is why I "mentioned" the other two cables.

                          Again I apologize, so lets not blow this out of proportion !!
                          Don't touch the nest egg ,the nest egg is the future from now on you don't even get to say egg...when having breakfast you have to say those things with toast...looking at a birds nest you only get to say those round things under the bird :B :B :B
                          Last edited by 8thDwarf; 02 December 2006, 01:05 Saturday. Reason: forgot smiles to convey humor

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                          • Jeff
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 281

                            #14
                            Ok, is this some local humor or tradition? Maybe it's because I don't eat eggs, so I missed that secret "egg lovers" meeting. But what are you talking about? :roll:

                            Jeff

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                            • David Meek
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              • Aug 2000
                              • 8938

                              #15
                              I'm curious, too. :scratchhead:
                              .

                              David - Trigger-happy HTGuide Admin

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                              • chinets
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 855

                                #16
                                Eggs??!! 8O I think someone is comming down with Bird Flu ! :rofl: :E

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                                • 8thDwarf
                                  Member
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 57

                                  #17
                                  When twitch54 was getting explained to, I was reminded of a scene from Albert Brooks "Lost in America". The way it was written.
                                  Brooks externally calm tries to explain to his wife Julie Hagerty (who has just lost their life savings the evening before in a Vegas casino) the weight of her mistake. Her character was sweet and genuinely kind,just not hip to the workings of a casino.
                                  He tries to convey,you lost the nest egg,the nestegg is very important,it's how they function,it's thier future,so he states....
                                  ""You can't even SAY the word `egg' any more. When you go into the woods you see a bird's round stick. For breakfast you have THING'S with ham."

                                  It's hard to convey a funny parallel from the minds eye.
                                  Anyone else here remember how great that movie was?

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                                  • soundhound
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Mar 2004
                                    • 815

                                    #18
                                    I've never seen the movie Dwarf, but understood the analogy.

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                                    • chinets
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jun 2005
                                      • 855

                                      #19
                                      Understood the Analogy too, but never seen the movie either.

                                      I have seen Snow white and the 7 Dwarfs though ,and No ham and Eggs of Dr. Seuss there either? :W

                                      Guess we should have seen the movie first!? Con Huevos! :T

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