It's time for a Statement announcing my latest project..

[BasiCEvil]

Here are the last pics I will post, promise!! I thought y'all might want to see the Mini and the Statement side by side from a couple of angles. Here you go, the happy family (expecting an addition anytime, the matching center :T ).

I will be building new bases for the Minis to match the Statements. I like the matching base better than the black.

Awesome job!

In talking this over with the wife, she said that she wouldn't mind a nice set of speakers for a media room when we get the new house.

The Statements and Mini's are definitely on my very short list of possibilities.

Sefferdog - What are you using to power the family of Statements?

[Curt C]

Here you go, the happy family (expecting an addition anytime, the matching center :T ).

If all goes as planned, Wayne and I should be voicing the center this weekend.

[Sefferdog]

If all goes as planned, Wayne and I should be voicing the center this weekend.

Oh yea. Whenever Curt and Wayne get together my speaker system gets a new addition. I can hardly wait. Thanks for the heads up. :T

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[Sefferdog]

Sefferdog - What are you using to power the family of Statements?

Mr. Evil - Thank you for the kind comments. As far as pushing them I have an Emotiva LPA-1 amp with the preamp section currently being provided by my Denon 3803.

When I got the LPA-1 I also got an LMC-1 pre/pro but it was very buggy, so I shipped it back. I decided to wait until the end of the year when Emotiva comes out with their new line and get an MMC-2 processor. :T

Take care.

[JaxLax]

If all goes as planned, Wayne and I should be voicing the center this weekend.

i spent 12 hours on 4 planes today to do 45 minutes of work.
Thank you for brightening my day :B

[Frank Carpenter]

Sefferdog,

That is very nice work.

Frank C.

[thatdave]

For those with completed statements, where did you place the crossovers? I was thinking between the mid tunnels, or mounted on top/bottom of tunnels so they can be reached by removing one of the woofers. I also assume a small sealed hole through the tunnel for wiring the mids? Basic cabinets are done, next on tap is the baffle.

[Jim Holtz]

For those with completed statements, where did you place the crossovers? I was thinking between the mid tunnels, or mounted on top/bottom of tunnels so they can be reached by removing one of the woofers. I also assume a small sealed hole through the tunnel for wiring the mids? Basic cabinets are done, next on tap is the baffle.

Hi Dave,

I mounted my crossovers in the bottom on the side wall with a couple screws to hold the pegboard in place. It's quite easy to get too there.

I drill a couple small holes about the size of the wires in the middle of the mid tunnels and feed the wires through. They fit tight enough you really don't need anything else to seal the wires but a dab of silicone will do the trick if you want.

It's also easier to line the RS225 cavity with what ever absorbsion material you're using, mount the crossovers and wire the cabinet before attaching the last baffle.

HTH

Jim

[tpremo55]

Wow Wayne - those look great!

I have played with the cabinet design just a little bit. I've kept most of the items of key importance in the same range of Jim and Curt's design. I've always had an affinity for curved side cabinets on speakers. While I could cite minimizing parallel surfaces and diffusion of the back wave, the reality is that this ends up being largely cosmetic for me, with some interest in the acoustic differences. Being local to Des Moines and having had an opportunity to listen to Jim's when they were finished, I knew that the design sounded great, so I figured that I might as well put the effort into these to make my curved side cabinets.

The Sketch-up version of the cabinet is provided below.

I've got the inner bracing done (router, template, and a whole lot of sawdust) and will have them together this weekend. I’ve also done some trial and error on the process for bending the MDF and believe I have found the solution that I will go with. Another photo attached. I intend to fill the kerfs with TitebondII/sawdust filler mixture.

I’ll provide an update next week.

[Jim Holtz]

Hi Todd,

The cabinet is looking good! :T Any chance it'll be ready for Iowa DIY next month?

Jim

[tpremo55]

That is certainly the plan. The cabinets should be about ready in the next 7 days. Finish is still up in the air - so you may find a nice pale MDF wood-like finish - let's call it 'natural'. You guys all kill me with your painting skills - I don't have the experience or the equipment. Late last night I was doing some research in this thread https://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24154 to see if I could get some tips. Noted that you had some imput there... I'm still considering going the Definitive Technology route with the sock-n-cap method. It's nice in that I can avoid the el'natural but it can easily be redone later with vaneer or paint should I change my mind.

Hey - the good new is, you guys already fine tuned the crossover, so if I can get the cabinet done, crossover built and drivers mounted, then I am good to go. I just need to ask everyone to close their eyes for the event...

[BasiCEvil]

If all goes as planned, Wayne and I should be voicing the center this weekend.

Is there anyone else out there that is as eagerly anticipating the addition to the Statement family?

I have yet to even start to compile the equipment needed to build the original Statments, but look forward to hearing the response on how the center sounds.

:T

[Sefferdog]

Is there anyone else out there that is as eagerly anticipating the addition to the Statement family?

I have yet to even start to compile the equipment needed to build the original Statments, but look forward to hearing the response on how the center sounds.

:T

I have the enclosure built for the center, I have all of the drivers, I am just waiting on the crossover design from Curt. That will round out my system. Statements in front with the center and the Minis in the back. Right now it sounds unbelievable with just the Statements and minis, I can only imagine how good the center will sound.

[Coconutout]

hey guys, i'm back for yet another question. sorry no pictures yet- i really don't wanna spend my time taking them nor actually finish up the speakers. that would just be more time away from enjoying the speakers... i'm gonna try to finish them up next week. it's going to be unbearable taking them down for a while. anyways, my question is regarding the resistor that i burned earlier. it seems that it is affecting the crossover after all. the pink tone that plays from the speaker with the burned resistor sounds very different from the other one. i cant tell much difference at all with musics but with pink tone it seems to be obvious. i don't know whats being affected since im no audiophile (yet) but it seems like the messed up side is missing a whole frequency of notes. or is it just the volume difference? my question is, what problem would the burned resistor cause? also id like to know if i should weld all the connections on the crossovers- i just left the connectors on the caps twisted togather and did not solder it since the silver solder i had wouldn't stick to them. thanks guys.

[coctostan]

Has anyone tried their speakers closer to the wall than suggested? How significant is the difference?

I am considering a L/C/R set of Statement towers with the center behind the screen. My concern is the recommendation of at least 1.5feet of clearance from the back of the speaker to the wall. Would it be an issue if I had the back of the center tower about 1ft from the back wall? This would work better in my room.

Finally, my plan was to treat the back wall with 1" of absorption material (linacoustic like material). Will this work with these unique speakers? I don't want to lose the effect of the open midrange.

Thanks for this amazing design. I am excited to build them up.

[Dr Trina]

I had the center painted at the same time i did my mains so they would match correctly. I have the drivers and cannot wait for the laundry list to build my center crossover.


For those of you who have been going with the mini statements as rear speakers, have you noticed a significant jump in sound quality when watching movies? I curently have some Paradigm bi-polars as my rears but will be building a larger theater room in the next house that would allow for the mini statements...just wondering?

[Jim Holtz]

hey guys, i'm back for yet another question. sorry no pictures yet- i really don't wanna spend my time taking them nor actually finish up the speakers. that would just be more time away from enjoying the speakers... i'm gonna try to finish them up next week. it's going to be unbearable taking them down for a while. anyways, my question is regarding the resistor that i burned earlier. it seems that it is affecting the crossover after all. the pink tone that plays from the speaker with the burned resistor sounds very different from the other one. i cant tell much difference at all with musics but with pink tone it seems to be obvious. i don't know whats being affected since im no audiophile (yet) but it seems like the messed up side is missing a whole frequency of notes. or is it just the volume difference? my question is, what problem would the burned resistor cause? also id like to know if i should weld all the connections on the crossovers- i just left the connectors on the caps twisted togather and did not solder it since the silver solder i had wouldn't stick to them. thanks guys.

Hi Coconutout,

I can't answer whether it's the resistor that's causing the issue or not but here are some thoughts.

1st. double check your crossover assembly to make sure it's correct. Also make sure you have the mid drivers connected with reverse polarity.

2nd. the crossover should definitely be soldered together. I use Kester 63/37 acid core and it works great. It's really, really hard to get a cold joint with that solder. PE sells it if you can't find it locally.

3rd. If you've scorched a resistor, replace it. They're $1.38 - $3.50 each depending on which resistors you used. Why take a chance for that small amount of money.

Some trouble shooting ideas. Swap the speakers from left to right to make sure it's really the speaker that is causing the volume loss. I'm guessing that you have an issue with crossover assembly.

HTH

Jim

[Jim Holtz]

Has anyone tried their speakers closer to the wall than suggested? How significant is the difference?

I am considering a L/C/R set of Statement towers with the center behind the screen. My concern is the recommendation of at least 1.5feet of clearance from the back of the speaker to the wall. Would it be an issue if I had the back of the center tower about 1ft from the back wall? This would work better in my room.

Finally, my plan was to treat the back wall with 1" of absorption material (linacoustic like material). Will this work with these unique speakers? I don't want to lose the effect of the open midrange.

Thanks for this amazing design. I am excited to build them up.

Hi Cocostan,

The statements do like to be out from the wall 1 1/2' or more but they sound very good at 1' too. Sufferdog has experimented and 1' it should work fine for the center based on his posts.

I really can't comment on the sound absorption material on the wall behind the speakers. My thought is that it wouldn't be a good idea but I'm guessing. I do think bass traps etc. would be good and strategically placed sound panels in the room. Experimentation is the only way to know for sure.

I hope you like the Statements as well as we do.

Jim

[Jim Holtz]

I had the center painted at the same time i did my mains so they would match correctly. I have the drivers and cannot wait for the laundry list to build my center crossover.


For those of you who have been going with the mini statements as rear speakers, have you noticed a significant jump in sound quality when watching movies? I curently have some Paradigm bi-polars as my rears but will be building a larger theater room in the next house that would allow for the mini statements...just wondering?

Hi Doc,

Welcome to the thread. The center crossover is soooo close. We should have the crossover ready to publish with in a week at the longest.

Will your Statements make it to the Iowa DIY event?

Jim

[Jim Holtz]

I have the enclosure built for the center, I have all of the drivers, I am just waiting on the crossover design from Curt. That will round out my system. Statements in front with the center and the Minis in the back. Right now it sounds unbelievable with just the Statements and minis, I can only imagine how good the center will sound.

Hi Wade,

Soon, very, very soon! :T

Jim

[Sefferdog]

Hi Wade,

Soon, very, very soon! :T

Jim

I had a friend who wanted a set of the Magna Cum Laude speakers over on the PE Showcase and I have been in the midst of building those for him to keep my mind off of the center. 8O You know the old saying, idle minds will wander....

Anyway, With the Statements in front and the Minis in the back I am in no hurry for the center (I think I am trying to convince myself of that!). It sounds very nice right now. :T

[coctostan]

Hi Cocostan,

The statements do like to be out from the wall 1 1/2' or more but they sound very good at 1' too. Sufferdog has experimented and 1' it should work fine for the center based on his posts.

I really can't comment on the sound absorption material on the wall behind the speakers. My thought is that it wouldn't be a good idea but I'm guessing. I do think bass traps etc. would be good and strategically placed sound panels in the room. Experimentation is the only way to know for sure.

I hope you like the Statements as well as we do.

Jim

Thanks Jim. I will see how 1 foot for the center works out. I will have bass traps and strategically placed panels. I will work with my room designer on front wall treatment that may need to vary from the norm given the uniqueness of these speakers. I'm not sure what is done for true dipoles in a HT either.

[Coconutout]

Hi Cocostan,

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I really can't comment on the sound absorption material on the wall behind the speakers. My thought is that it wouldn't be a good idea but I'm guessing.

Jim

why wouldn't the acoustic foam behind the speaker be anything but a good idea? i actually have my whole living room covered with soundproof foams including behind the speakers. i was actually thinking about covering the back side of the speakers with the foam and also the bottom :P

[Dr Trina]

Hi Doc,

Welcome to the thread. The center crossover is soooo close. We should have the crossover ready to publish with in a week at the longest.

Will your Statements make it to the Iowa DIY event?

Jim

I cannot wait. I think my wife is even looking forward to it so the empty box doesn't have to sit there any longer.

The three of us are planning on attending the DIY event, but I think my TT model statements will not be able to make the trip as they are too big for my little truck bed.

I will, however, be posting some pics of my statements once I get them all spruced up and shiny.

[Jim Holtz]

why wouldn't the acoustic foam behind the speaker be anything but a good idea? i actually have my whole living room covered with soundproof foams including behind the speakers. i was actually thinking about covering the back side of the speakers with the foam and also the bottom :P

The foam on the back wall will attenuate the high frequencies from the open back on the mids. The lining of the mid tunnels does that to a certain degree but it's easily adjustable. I think covering the wall behind the Statements would affect the imaging in a negative manner.

Just my thoughts. Experiment and see what sounds best.

Jim

[Jim Holtz]

I cannot wait. I think my wife is even looking forward to it so the empty box doesn't have to sit there any longer.

The three of us are planning on attending the DIY event, but I think my TT model statements will not be able to make the trip as they are too big for my little truck bed.

I will, however, be posting some pics of my statements once I get them all spruced up and shiny.

Hi Doc,

We like pictures! :T

I'm looking forward to seeing you fellas at the event.

Jim

[thatdave]

Everything has arrived and look good. These are a sealed version of the Statements. Do I need to line the area around/in between the tunnels as well? When countersinking the baffle for the drivers, the goal is to make the frame ring flush with the baffle correct?

[Jim Holtz]

Everything has arrived and look good. These are a sealed version of the Statements. Do I need to line the area around/in between the tunnels as well? When countersinking the baffle for the drivers, the goal is to make the frame ring flush with the baffle correct?

Hi Dave,

Lining the area between the tunnels isn't necessary. Just line the areas where the RS225's can reflect sound.

Yes, flush mount the driver frames with the front baffle.

Jim

[thatdave]

Excellent, will be soldering up the crossovers tonight....

[Coconutout]

when you say 4" for the port do you mean the tube length or the whole port length? cuz i got the precision port from PE and on the instruction it says the center tube needs to be 5" shorter than Lv (total port length).

[Jim Holtz]

when you say 4" for the port do you mean the tube length or the whole port length? cuz i got the precision port from PE and on the instruction it says the center tube needs to be 5" shorter than Lv (total port length).

A 4" tube plus the inner and outer flare should work fine if they're similar to the make a port parts. The overall length is 6 1/2" with the inner and outer flares.

HTH

Jim

[thatdave]

I should finish the crossovers tomorrow, then test run time. Thanks for your help/guidance Jim.

[Jim Holtz]

I should finish the crossovers tomorrow, then test run time. Thanks for your help/guidance Jim.

Hi Dave,

The cabinets look great! Please let us know how the test run goes.

Jim

[KorbenDallas]

...I think covering the wall behind the Statements would affect the imaging in a negative manner.

Just my thoughts. Experiment and see what sounds best.

Jim

You've really put a krick in my plans Jim! I was planning to put absorption material in my home theater until I read this. Via testing, my current speakers positively benefit; but because I do not know the imaging properties of the Statements I am apprehensive pursue my original plans.

Perhaps this is cause to build them ahead of time?

[Jim Holtz]

You've really put a krick in my plans Jim! I was planning to put absorption material in my home theater until I read this. Via testing, my current speakers positively benefit; but because I do not know the imaging properties of the Statements I am apprehensive pursue my original plans.

Perhaps this is cause to build them ahead of time?

I probably should clarify that total absorption material on the wall behind the Statements hurting imaging is just an opinion of mine since I've not done it. I do think effective room treatment including bass traps would be very beneficial.

I think you have a great idea. Build the Statements first and then design the treatments around your system. :T

Jim

[Coconutout]

yes speaking of wall treatments, it looks like ill have to enforce mine. my tiny apartment has such a layout that i have to put one speaker to the balcony window side. with my last speaker i had a midbase reflection of 1.5db which i had treated with some foams. (covered the whole window. its always midnight in my apartment now ) just now i got to turn on the statements with the fixed crossover and bam, another 1.5db gain. that just means the statements are at least twice as detailed as my previous speakers. 'at least'

[Dr Trina]

IB with Statements???

Jim (and others),

Are you still using your powered sub in addition to the statements?

I will be building a new house over the next 6 months with a larger theater and have been leaning towards a manifold Infinite Baffle. Would this be overkill or strengthen my system?

Dr Trina

[Jim Holtz]

Jim (and others),

Are you still using your powered sub in addition to the statements?

I will be building a new house over the next 6 months with a larger theater and have been leaning towards a manifold Infinite Baffle. Would this be overkill or strengthen my system?

Dr Trina

Hi Doc,

Here's my take on subs. IMHO, the Statements don't need any bass help for music unless you are into pipe organs. However, home theater is a different discussion. I have a TC Sounds (Stryke AV15) 15" sub that I roll in for movies and I think it's a perfect addition. Can you ever have too much bass in a movie? :T

I've never heard an infinite baffle sub system but have read it's the ultimate. Go for it if it's an option. Hopefully others with more sub experience than I will jump in with additional thoughts.

Pictures? I'd like to see pictures of the Statements since you have them home and cleaned up. Post them so we can be in envy of the gorgeous gloss black paint job.

Jim

[Curt C]

when you say 4" for the port do you mean the tube length or the whole port length? cuz i got the precision port from PE and on the instruction it says the center tube needs to be 5" shorter than Lv (total port length).

The tube length alone is 4" w/o flares.

The instructions from PE are explaining how to convert the calculated Lv (w/o flares) to how long the tube needs to be for the same Lv with flares. The flares add length, so the tube needs to be shorter, but the flares also increase the area of the port, making the whole thing a bit longer than a straight port.

C

[Sefferdog]

Jim (and others),

Are you still using your powered sub in addition to the statements?

I will be building a new house over the next 6 months with a larger theater and have been leaning towards a manifold Infinite Baffle. Would this be overkill or strengthen my system?

Dr Trina

Same as Jim, no sub with music, no need. I will fire up the sub for HT if it is an action movie or something that seems to require it, but a lot of movies don't require me to use it.

[Dr Trina]

Mini Statements for HT

Hello all,

I posted this once but never got any responses, so here it goes again.

For those of you who are making both the statements and the mini statements, are you using the mini statements as surround speakers in HT applications?

I have been considering going this route for my new HT room but am wondering if this would be overkill??????

Lastly, if i did go this route, I would need to build them on about a 1-2 foot pedestel to get them up above my raised seating. Are the minis ported out the bottom or the back?

Thanks everyone,

Dr Trina

[Curt C]

Hello all,

I posted this once but never got any responses, so here it goes again.

For those of you who are making both the statements and the mini statements, are you using the mini statements as surround speakers in HT applications?

I have been considering going this route for my new HT room but am wondering if this would be overkill??????

Lastly, if i did go this route, I would need to build them on about a 1-2 foot pedestel to get them up above my raised seating. Are the minis ported out the bottom or the back?

Thanks everyone,

Dr Trina

Overkill? Naahh!!! I see no reason why the Mini's can't perform admirably as surround speakers, having the advantage of being very closely voiced to the Statements.

The pedestal will be a non-issue. The Mini’s are ported out the bottom, but there is no reason they cannot set on a pedestal. As designed, there is ample opportunity for the bass to escape out the open back of the Mini base.

The center channel design will be posted soon. Jim and I are getting toghether this weekend to put the fine points on it.

C

[Jim Holtz]

Hello all,

I posted this once but never got any responses, so here it goes again.

For those of you who are making both the statements and the mini statements, are you using the mini statements as surround speakers in HT applications?

I have been considering going this route for my new HT room but am wondering if this would be overkill??????

Lastly, if i did go this route, I would need to build them on about a 1-2 foot pedestal to get them up above my raised seating. Are the minis ported out the bottom or the back?

Thanks everyone,

Dr Trina

Hi Doc,

I'll add to Curt's thoughts in that the Mini's can be built in a 30 liter monitor size cabinet too and tuned the same as the center channel which should have a F3 of around 40 Hz. or so. That would allow wall or stand mounting *IF* you can get the mid tunnel enough room to breathe in a wall mount situation. The other issue would be that the cabinet would need to be about 28" tall in order to get all of the drivers crammed in.

A pedestal mount would certainly work well and could be made very attractive with a little creativity. The port can be rear mounted if it works better but the rear tunnel on the base gives the port lots of breathing room.

Jim

[topp]

I don't know if I missed it, but can someone tell me what the overall size of the center channel? I am limited on the height, so I am hoping it is short enough.

Thanks,
Topp

[Jim Holtz]

I don't know if I missed it, but can someone tell me what the overall size of the center channel? I am limited on the height, so I am hoping it is short enough.

Thanks,
Topp

Hi Topp,

The center measures 11"H x 24"W x 13 1/4" D. We will again have an Autocad drawing from our good friend Brian Walter complete with cut list that will be available very, very soon. I'm driving to Curt's tomorrow to pick up the Mini's and the Center. The website is near ready to go.

I'll start a Center build thread when we officially announce the design.

HTH

Jim