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  • myn
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    • May 2003
    • 35

    #1

    Project Quick, Easy & Cheap – IXL18.4 LLT

    I’d like to start off and thank Neo Dan on his thread “IXL 18 meets the ‘Easy Button’ ". This feed one of my objectives which are mentioned below and was my inspiration for this project.. After talking to SteveCallas further I was convinced this would be a perfect little project with some minor modifications to suit my requirements for the build.

    .: My Objectives/Requirements :.
    As much as Neo Dan’s design is “simple” I wanted to refine it even further, making it even simpler. Less cutting, etc.

    My second objective was cost. I wanted to get into the LLT game without spending a fortune. SteveCallas helped me solidify this decision. Thanks.

    My last objective was around mobility of materials for construction. As I don’t have a truck or access to anyone with a minivan I wanted to be able to haul all parts/materials with my car.

    .:Core Materials:.

    1 18” Mach5Audio IXL18.4: Currently one of the best bang of the buck subs available. This facilitated the cost objective. Although there are better drivers, very few are close to this price tag [$235 shipped] and deliver similar performance with as much displacement.

    Leaning on NEO Dan’s design I liked the use of MDF over a SonoTube for 1 reason only. Mobility. Back to objective Blogs I can transport planks of MDF easily within my car, putting the seats down. A 24” sonotube unfortunately wouldn’t fit.

    .: Design :.

    Back to the whole “make it easier” objective. My local Home Depot sells pre-cut 48x24 [Actually 49.5x24] sheets of ¾” MDF. Although I own a table saw, having the wood precut with precise measurements IMHO is a head start. Less work of me having to cut them precisely myself + no MDF dust cleanup. Bonus..

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    So if I use 4 of these sheets for the outer sides I’m going to need 2 additional 24”x22.5” planks for the end pieces. I choose to buy 1 additional precut 48x24 sheet and had Home Depot cut this 49.5” long plank twice yielding 2 22.5x24” end pieces. In and out of Home Depot in 10 mins. Piece of cake, no cutting, no having the wife complain about asking her to “hold the MDF” as I run it through the table saw.. You get the gist..

    So to recap, I purchased 5 precut 48x24 [Really 49.5x24”] sheets and used 1 of the 5 sheets utilizing Home Depots saw to cut 2, 24x22.5” end caps.

    .:Primitive Paper Design:.
    I've spent some time taking the Google SketchUp tutorials but still don't posess the necessary skills that others have. My replacement is pen and paper:

    So without displacement of bracing, ports and driver, internal volume is 424.8 liters or 15 cu feet.

    After discussion with Steve Callas he recommended an enclosure size of around 400 liters with 3 4” 34” ports tuned to 14hz.

    So adding the displacement of the driver and these 3 ports the internal volume Vb stands at 391 liters. (I have still yet to add some bracing which I will equate later)

    As for the finish, I really liked tregarza’s final product using a ¼” round over bit and black Dura Color bedliner spray for the final finish. I’ve completed many car audio enclosures using speaker carpet which looks great in an automotive environment but I really seem to think the bedliner spray suits a home theater sub. Regardless of the outer finish, I think it’s going to be hard to disguise a 15 cu foot enclosure.

    Here's a pic of Tregarza’s final product using dura color bedliner spray:

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    I’m planning on powering this sub with an EP2500. This should be ample power with room for growth if I plan to add another one.


    .:Outstanding Questions:.

    1) Where can I find black PVC pipe? My local Home Depot seems to only sell the white stuff. Also, will they cut it to size for me? I've also seen much mention in some threads about Schedule 40 PVC Pipe or "Quick Pipe"? What is this?

    2) Which type of liquid nails is everyone using? In my past car audio projects I’ve always used the “Interior Projects” type. Wasn’t sure if there was better stuff more suited for MDF and PVC.

    3) As I am planning on purchasing the EP2500, will I need an EQ? Anyone running a Panasonic XR55? Does it have enough preout voltage to feed the EP2500 pro amp? Any suggestions on how to feed the EP2500 from the receiver?

    4) T-Nuts or Hurricane nuts or Plain old 1-5/8 drywall screws directly into MDF?

    5) Where can I source a cheap plunge router and round over bits? Some of the folks over at fatwallet recommended these cheap bits I was looking at buying the Craftsman 9.5 amp 1-3/4 HP Plunge router which is on sale for $59 until tomorrow. Will this fit the bill or are there better routers out there for the same price or a little more?

    6) Bracing.. This is a touchy subject for me. Coming from the car audio world bracing was rarely used and if it was, it was minimal, even for large 20+ cu foot enclosures. Browsing many of the DIY HT forums it's apparent bracing in some cases IMHO looks way overkill for the application. Iggster, if you're reading this, perhaps you can shed some light as I know you're into the DB Drag scene as I was. Anyone got some suggestions on bracing without going overkill?

    6) Can the IXL18.4 be oriented in a down firing orientation?

    According to Parts Express, here's the formula to calculate sag: Percentage of Sag = 24,849 / ( Xmax * Fs²)

    Sag% = 24,849 / (22 * 17.7^2)
    Sag% = 24,849 / (22 * 313.29)
    Sag% = 24,849 / 6892.38
    Sag% = 3.61

    Is it true if sag is less than 5% this is suitable for a down firing application?


    7) If I do down fire the sub, how much room (gap) should be left between the IXL18.4 sub and the baseplate or floor?

    8) In many of my past car audio enclosures where space was a concern, port bends were common, especially in slot ported instances. Hypothetically speaking, How much impact would be brought to this project if I bent the ports in a 90 degree angle?

    Last but not least, I welcome everyones ideas and suggestions.
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  • myn
    Member
    • May 2003
    • 35

    #2
    Some Build pics so far:


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    The recommendation's from users here of TiteBond II glue makes a dramatic difference in the set times for the clamping. Just how long is everyone waiting for the glue to set anyways?

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    PS. If you're in need of some aluminum bar clamps, Harbor Freight has them on sale this week. I bought the 36" ones shown for $4.99.
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    • ThomasW
      Ultra Senior Member
      • Aug 2000
      • 10980

      #3
      1)ABS pipe is black and sold at HD, no they won't cut it for you
      2)Any kind of liquid nails will work
      3)IMO all subs need EQ, read the specs for the receiver
      4)almost impossible keep t-nuts in MDF
      5)Ebay stores and Amazon are good source for routers.
      6)if you can feel the wood vibrate it's interferring with the SQ so it needs bracing. A box as big as yours should have multiple braces. Most building box subs this big most use doubled MDF

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      6a)probably best not to copy posts verbatum that have questions specific to members of other forums
      6b)3.5% sag is fine
      7)an amount of space equal to at least the driver's Vd
      8 )best to avoid elbows if the situation permits.

      And FWIW we don't drink the LLT cool-aid, so plan on protecting this sub with a high pass filter otherwise the driver will be destroyed attempting to play frequencies below Fb.
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      "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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      • myn
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        • May 2003
        • 35

        #4
        ThomasW, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. I appreciate your comments and suggestions.


        I ended up waiting 24 hours for the TiteBond II glue to dry. I wasn't sure if you can continue clamping other pieces together before waiting a full day for the glue to dry?

        In any case, more progress. The other side now glued and clamped. Unless I hear otherwise I'll wait another 24 hours.


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        • ThomasW
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          • Aug 2000
          • 10980

          #5
          If all you're using is for assembly is glue and clamps then yes wait 24hrs. Most people don't have that much patience. I use biscuits and a brand nailer to speed the assembly process along.

          IB subwoofer FAQ page


          "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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          • myn
            Member
            • May 2003
            • 35

            #6
            Slowwwly making progress.

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            • myn
              Member
              • May 2003
              • 35

              #7
              Anyone know the actual depth of the IXL18 from behind mounting plate to base of magnet?

              I'm trying to determine the best orientation for the sub and port. Ideally I'd prefer to have the sub down firing and the ports outlets are at the opposing end of the enclosure. Similar to SonoSub designs.

              With 34" length ports and a total interior length of 48", If the IXL is mounted flush how much room will there be between the end of the port and the magnet on the driver?

              Is this going to leave enough room?

              Ideas?

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              • Hdale85
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                • Jan 2006
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                #8
                Doesn't sound like it.

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                • ThomasW
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                  • Aug 2000
                  • 10980

                  #9
                  Looking at the specs posted on the Mach 5 website we see the driver is 9 3/4" deep, but don't know where those measurements are taken from.

                  Mark at Mach 5 would be the one to ask for specifics...

                  It's all but impossible to flush mount a driver like the IXL-18.4 when the baffle board is only one layer of 3/4" MDF.

                  IB subwoofer FAQ page


                  "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                  • cobbpa
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 456

                    #10
                    Here's a picture of what I flush mounted into. I didn't actually route deep enough to completely flush mount it, but I'm close. Also, IIRC (questionable) my ports are 32ish inches and come up slightly short (a couple of inches) of the basket's elbow in a 38" enclosure. I think. Essentially I'm saying that I think that the driver is quoted correctly at 9 3/4" from top to bottom and you won't have to worry about anything being deeper than that. I think, this is from memory of a few months back. If you want to look at my build thread, it's very similar to what you're doing, just a bit shorter / smaller volume. Skip past the first bunch of posts about driver selection to get to my build stuff:

                    It hasn't been the most active week on the board & the Mach Audio presale is enticing to me, but I want to be sure that if I purchase one of those subs that it's the best for me in the long run. Here's my scenario. I'll live in a smallish apartment until May of 2008, then move out hopefully to a little bigger place and


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                    • myn
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                      • May 2003
                      • 35

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ThomasW
                      Looking at the specs posted on the Mach 5 website we see the driver is 9 3/4" deep, but don't know where those measurements are taken from.

                      Mark at Mach 5 would be the one to ask for specifics...

                      It's all but impossible to flush mount a driver like the IXL-18.4 when the baffle board is only one layer of 3/4" MDF.
                      I'm changing the scope of the project a little bit. I'm adding some extra layers of MDF on the baffle along with instituting some formal bracing per recommendations.

                      Thanks guys for the insight

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                      • myn
                        Member
                        • May 2003
                        • 35

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cobbpa
                        If you want to look at my build thread, it's very similar to what you're doing, just a bit shorter / smaller volume. Skip past the first bunch of posts about driver selection to get to my build stuff:
                        https://htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25565
                        Thanks Will have a look right now.
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                        • myn
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                          • May 2003
                          • 35

                          #13
                          How much breathing room do I need between the end of the port and the back of the driver (magnet back)?

                          Also, I started thinking alot about the bracing today. I'm thinking the easiest way todo this would be to create 3 sets of 3 holes. a 5" hole will give me 1.75" worth of wood between the holes and the edge of the bracing. Is this too constrictive for airflow? Would I be better off using 6" holes which would yield 1" between the holes and the edge of the bracing? Is 1" strong enough?

                          I got going with SketchUp tonight. Below is an illustration of what I am planning. In this case its a 1.75" wood gap using 5" holes.

                          Or should I completely scrap the multiple holes idea and instead cut out a large circle?

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                          • ---k---
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                            • Nov 2005
                            • 5205

                            #14
                            your brace is fine.

                            typically keep the port away from anything = diameter/2 so for a 8" port keep it away from everything 4".
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                            • myn
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                              • May 2003
                              • 35

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ---k---
                              your brace is fine.

                              typically keep the port away from anything = diameter/2 so for a 8" port keep it away from everything 4".
                              In my case I am going to have 3 4" ports. So do I keep it away from everything 2" away or ?

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                              • ThomasW
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                                • Aug 2000
                                • 10980

                                #16
                                The ports need to be 4" or more away from any sidewall

                                IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                • myn
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                                  • May 2003
                                  • 35

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ThomasW
                                  The ports need to be 4" or more away from any sidewall
                                  Should they be even more far away from the driver?

                                  The reason I ask is I really would like to downfire this sub and have the 34" ports outlet on the opposing wall similar to SonoSub's.

                                  That would leave 5.75" between the subs magnet and the end of the ports.

                                  Is that enough room?

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                                  • myn
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                                    • May 2003
                                    • 35

                                    #18
                                    My IXL18.4 arrived.

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                                    And for anyone else questioning the actual depth of the IXL18.4, here's a pic that shows the height next to a tape measure:

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                                    Still pondering around my open question (above) regarding the spacing between the the back of the sub and the end of the port, wondering if 5.75" will be enough clearance for the 3, 4" ports?
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                                    • Dennis H
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 3801

                                      #19
                                      Still pondering around my open question (above) regarding the spacing between the the back of the sub and the end of the port, wondering if 5.75" will be enough clearance for the 3, 4" ports?
                                      Should be.

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                                      • crazybastard
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                                        • Oct 2007
                                        • 43

                                        #20
                                        Awesome looking driver! Must weigh a ton. You think hurricane nut or screws will hold them in MDF?

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                                        • ThomasW
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                                          • Aug 2000
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                                          #21
                                          You haven't posted information about or a drawing of the design. So I'm guessing you're putting the driver at one end and the ports at the other, or are you doing the driver on the side as in Neo Dan's design?

                                          IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                          "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                          • myn
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                                            • May 2003
                                            • 35

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by ThomasW
                                            You haven't posted information about or a drawing of the design. So I'm guessing you're putting the driver at one end and the ports at the other, or are you doing the driver on the side as in Neo Dan's design?
                                            Sorry about that. I'll draw up a sketchup drawing tonight.

                                            My thought is to have the sub in a downfiring orientation having the 3, 4" diam x 34" length port outlets on the opposing wall similar to SonoSub's. (sub on the bottom, port outlets on the top)

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                                            • Hdale85
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                                              • Jan 2006
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                                              #23
                                              Why didn't you just build a sonosub? Would have been loads easier.

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                                              • myn
                                                Member
                                                • May 2003
                                                • 35

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Dougie085
                                                Why didn't you just build a sonosub? Would have been loads easier.

                                                Please consult objectives in original post:
                                                My last objective was around mobility of materials for construction. As I don’t have a truck or access to anyone with a minivan I wanted to be able to haul all parts/materials with my car.
                                                Unfortunately I don't have access to a truck/van.

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                                                • myn
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                                                  • May 2003
                                                  • 35

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by crazybastard
                                                  Awesome looking driver! Must weigh a ton. You think hurricane nut or screws will hold them in MDF?
                                                  Great question.

                                                  Anyone have some recommendations on the hurricane nuts? Do they have matching proprietary screws? What diameter/length do you suggest?

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                                                  • ThomasW
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                                                    • Aug 2000
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                                                    #26
                                                    Chose nuts that match the largest diameter bolts that will fit through the holes in the frame.

                                                    IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                    "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                    • Hdale85
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                                                      • Jan 2006
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                                                      #27
                                                      Ah missed that part of your origional post sorry about that.

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                                                      • myn
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                                                        • May 2003
                                                        • 35

                                                        #28
                                                        So I have a funny story to tell.

                                                        On the weekend I was at Lowes spec'ing out more materials for the project. I eyeballed a 10' long 4" black ABS pipe which would be perfect if I cut it to make 3 ports. After talking to one of Lowes associates they mentioned that they don't cut the pipe but if I came back during the week he'd get a hacksaw and cut it for me. As I only have a car I had to have the pipe cut.

                                                        Anyways. I go back tonight, find another associate and tell him the story that I was there on the weekend and that I wanted to have the pipe cut. He says 1 sec, goes around to the purchasing counter and hands me a hacksaw. Perfect. So I head back and find myself some pipe and begin cutting in the middle of the isle while other shoppers roam around me.

                                                        With the noise it's making a few other associates eyeball me and the guy who I spoke to on the weekend comes over and stares at me for a few seconds as I continue to saw away. He then proceeds to say "Excuse sir, what are you doing?" I then explained to him that I was cutting the pipe. He then asked "Where I got the saw from".. At this point I was half tempted to tell him I just went over to the hardware dept and got one but instead decided to let him know another employee authorized my usage of the saw and gave me it to use. The associate is pissed at this point and grabs the saw from my hand and says "He'll cut it".

                                                        So he then gets down on the ground with me as I hold the pipe steady in the middle of the plumping section. Hacking away at the pipe.

                                                        Maybe not as funny as I type it but I felt it was pretty hilarious while it was happening.

                                                        I found it was kinda difficult to cut the pipe accurately all the way around, having the ends meet while keeping the cut at 90 degrees. What are people using to cut ABS pipe perfectly?

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                                                        • Hdale85
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                                                          • Jan 2006
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                                                          #29
                                                          I think majority of people use percision ports or what not. But if it were me I'd use a hacksaw as well. The blade probably wasn't all that great on it or something.

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                                                          • ThomasW
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                                                            • Aug 2000
                                                            • 10980

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by myn
                                                            What are people using to cut ABS pipe perfectly?
                                                            A chop saw aka power miter or a tablesaw, or a radial-arm saw, or a regular miter box saw or a handsaw or a......

                                                            IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                            "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                            • myn
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                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 35

                                                              #31
                                                              Okay. So I've been thinking about the bracing and handling of the long 34" ports.

                                                              Before I did any more cutting/glueing I wanted to ensure the design was perfect.

                                                              Below are some Sketchup drawings of what I am thinking. Note that the orientation of the subwoofer will be vertical similar to a SonoSub. In my drawings it does not include the dowels and base plate at the end where the sub is located. I welcome peoples comments/advice on this design:

                                                              A couple questions.

                                                              1) Around the perimeter of the bracing I am leaving 1.5". Could I go thinner? or is 1.5" okay? Does this current bracing I am proposing restrict the airflow to much?

                                                              2) Does having the internal ends of the port being flush mounted to the bracing add any adverse effects?

                                                              3) Is 5.75" between the end of the port and the back of the driver enough room?

                                                              4) How much room should be left between the face of where the subwoofer is and the base plate? Basically how long should the dowels be?

                                                              5) I'm leaving 2 5/8" inches in between the ports and the side walls. Is this suffice or should I move the ports closer together, more towards the center leaving more room? What is the effect if the ports are very close together?


                                                              Images not available


                                                              Better shot of the bracing itself:

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                                                              • yousuredo2
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                                                                • Jun 2006
                                                                • 206

                                                                #32
                                                                Nice sketch up skills...
                                                                where did you get the woofer model from/ did you make it too ?


                                                                you might want to add some vertical bracing between braces too...
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                                                                • Hdale85
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                                                                  • Jan 2006
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Why is it everyone on here seems to be a pro at cad?

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                                                                  • Mazeroth
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                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                    • 422

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Dougie085
                                                                    Why is it everyone on here seems to be a pro at cad?
                                                                    I've had this same thought over and over again. It's amazing how many people pop in here with a design idea with a 3D rendering Pixar worthy. 8O

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                                                                    • ThomasW
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                                                                      • Aug 2000
                                                                      • 10980

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Drawing looks good.. :T

                                                                      You need more clearance between the ports and the sidewalls of the box. So move the ports closer together or consider going with a single larger diameter port. Using a single larger port would mean much less woodwork compared to that needed for the 3 small ones.

                                                                      IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                      "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                      • myn
                                                                        Member
                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                        • 35

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by yousuredo2
                                                                        Nice sketch up skills...
                                                                        where did you get the woofer model from/ did you make it too ?


                                                                        you might want to add some vertical bracing between braces too...
                                                                        Thanks. Haven't really spent much time with Sketchup. I took a few tutorials and started playing. Once you learn some of the basics it's really actually pretty simple.

                                                                        As for the woofer model. I imported that from the Sketchup Gallery. The model name is "Big Sub" which can be found here: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...69aafaa5236e51

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                                                                        • Hdale85
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                                                                          • Jan 2006
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Yeah get an 8" piece of sonotube and use that for the port. Nothing like a nice big 8" port :B!

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                                                                          • myn
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                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 35

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by ThomasW
                                                                            Drawing looks good.. :T

                                                                            You need more clearance between the ports and the sidewalls of the box. So move the ports closer together or consider going with a single larger diameter port. Using a single larger port would mean much less woodwork compared to that needed for the 3 small ones.
                                                                            I did some calcs with a larger port (8") and unfortunately the port length will exceed the length of the enclosure unless I do some funky bends.

                                                                            I know the rule of thumb for distance from port to side walls is the diameter of the port. What is the rule of thumb for how close together the ports can be? Assuming I squish the ports closer together giving more room between the port and the side walls, what do I have to work with?

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                                                                            • ThomasW
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                                                                              • Aug 2000
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Yes you can put the ports close together.

                                                                              Another option is place them in a triangular configuration.

                                                                              IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                              "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                              • Hdale85
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                You could try a port smaller then 8" like a 6" maybe. Might still need to be pretty long though? What tuning are you going for?

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                                                                                • myn
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                                                                                  • May 2003
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Dougie085
                                                                                  You could try a port smaller then 8" like a 6" maybe. Might still need to be pretty long though? What tuning are you going for?
                                                                                  I'm targeting 14hz. A 6" port would work perfectly from a size perspective however the port air turbulence from the 6" is a problem

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                                                                                  • Hdale85
                                                                                    Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                    • Jan 2006
                                                                                    • 16120

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I don't think you'd have any issues with a 6" port. Thomas might know better? I know its a 18" driver though.

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                                                                                    • ThomasW
                                                                                      Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                      • Aug 2000
                                                                                      • 10980

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Others may give you grief about using a 6" port but not me.

                                                                                      The sims will show higher Mach numbers at the extremes of cone excursion (aka the highest output levels possible from the driver).

                                                                                      The reality of this is when these higher Mach numbers occur, the ouput from the driver is so loud you don't/won't/can't hear the effects.

                                                                                      I'd have a different stance regarding port size if this driver had 27+mm or more of Xmax

                                                                                      IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                                      "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                                      • myn
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                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                        • 35

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I noticed that BassBox pro reflects that having two flush ends as the vent end type apparently lowers the tuning freq. I am guessing that it has something todo with the end correction calculation?

                                                                                        Below are two screenshots. One with a single flush end reflecting a 14.25hz where as the two flush ends reflect 13.7hz. Not a major difference but still.

                                                                                        Anyone got a technical explanation for this?

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                                                                                        • ThomasW
                                                                                          Ultra Senior Member
                                                                                          • Aug 2000
                                                                                          • 10980

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          The shape and location of the port terminus effects the behavior of air mass. This in turn effects the length of the port for a given Fb.

                                                                                          IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                                          "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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