Playstation 3 specs and pics (first look) 2 TERAFLOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Cowanrg** · 17 May 2005, 13:29 Tuesday

looks like xbox360 has some competition...

however, i did see some screen shots of the games on the PS3, and they looked like the current xbox games. they didnt look all that much better.

**junior77blue** · 17 May 2005, 16:33 Tuesday

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/05/17/xbocps3/index.php

some nice comentary comparing the two...

And nintendo is still at it!!

**Azeke** · 17 May 2005, 17:24 Tuesday

Interesting reading gentlemen.

I like the look, Blue ray with the Sony, but the versatility of the X-Box.

Time will tell,

Azeke

**GregoriusM** · 17 May 2005, 23:01 Tuesday

Very similar new consoles, but very different in a lot of ways.

I think we're going to have the same old "mine is better than yours" wars.

To each his own.

Pretty exciting though for video gamers!

One big thing, though, that I DO think is important is the backward compatibility that has been announced for the PS2.

Some disagree with me, but I think this will be a HUGE selling point. Microsoft has to have this if they want to come close to selling as many as Sony.

IMHO!

**Chris D** · 17 May 2005, 23:15 Tuesday

Yes, time will tell. Very volatile times ahead for the rest of the year. We don't even know if Blu-Ray is going to be an actual format.

Game software availability will be big too.

Who knows.

**Gordon Moore** · 18 May 2005, 09:21 Wednesday

One things for sure, the xbox360 CAN NOT display dual-display 1080P!
Just not enough horsepower. Blu-Ray (my personal opinion) is poised to become THEE successor in the PC arena based on the media's space abilities alone. Industry is ready for bluray and that's a good sign.

Add to that the kids will be asking for Sony's putting Blu-ray under 1000's of x-mas trees in '06. Add to that Mom and Pop (even out of curiosity) Might purchase at least ONE blu-ray title to run on their new Hi-DEF DVD Sony game system and run it through the new widescreen Hi-Def (ready) TV they have in the basement (now starting to outsell other TV's). I think it's a matter of time and Sony just simply needs to wait. BETA will finally be redeemed (if you get my drift) simply on flooding the market, The HD-DVD camp screwed up by not getting their format in a game system. Their format will have to be severely discounted to make a worthwhile plead to the average consumer. They'll never get to market in boutique equipment alone (DVHS anyone).

I'd agree with the Bill Hunt article that the writing is on the wall (aas bold as that sounds) Sony doesn't have to negotiate, they simply need to wait it out. Here's the critical point. They can't get greedy. They need to ensure the BluRay machine will be somewhat backwards compatible (which they've done) and the titles need to be affordable (or FEATURE RICH enough) to make consumers willing to seperate with their hard earned cash.

Game software availability will be big too.

Most importantly, Sony needs to make it easy to develop so that software companies will have little problem porting to the P3. Also Sony will want some BIG titles ready to go since Halo3 will arrive the same time as the P3 and steal some of the thunder.

Pound for pound....as a pseudo-HTPC....the SONY is the champ, no IF's AND's
or BUT's.

I know it's alittle risque saying, but the console that is most "modifiable" might help the cause as well. I know that's a popular route for the X-Box (ver 1.0) camp.
I know no one has a crystal ball....but Sony is in a really good spot this time around.

**Shane Martin** · 18 May 2005, 10:22 Wednesday

One big thing, though, that I DO think is important is the backward compatibility that has been announced for the PS2.

Microsoft commented that backwards capatability doesn't sell consoles. It's still up in the air about it.

however, i did see some screen shots of the games on the PS3, and they looked like the current xbox games. they didnt look all that much better

Check out this Ps3 footage...
http://www.lcvg.com/video/killzone2.mpg

**Gordon Moore** · 18 May 2005, 10:31 Wednesday

Check out this Ps3 footage...

:jawdrop:

SOLD!

**Neal_C** · 18 May 2005, 13:33 Wednesday

I think the PS3 has some good hardware specs and maybe even more impressive than the Xbox 360, but Microsoft dominates Sony in online play and that is what will sell me.

Besides, with Cell and Blu-Ray and all the other hardware that people may view is more dominant than the Xbox 360 parts, Sony is going to be making one expensive machine.

The Xbox 360 will sell for less than the PS3 and that will drive sales for MS as well.

That Killzone video looked good, but according to this article, we haven't even scratched the surface of what the Xbox 360 can look like.

**Gordon Moore** · 18 May 2005, 14:20 Wednesday

all current Xbox 360 games that were shown at last night’s E3 press briefing are still running on alpha development kits that are not a true representation of what we can expect when the console launches this holiday season.

Well that's good and all but, then, the whole exercise has been media hype (and don't get me wrong, I'm not discrediting that). In fact I noticed the framerate problem in some of the games playing the background of the MTV special and thought I was seeing things.

I guess the games will be judged on the final product....but.....Microsoft is pulling a Windows in that it's all smoke and mirrors on release 1 with promises to fix the problems down the road. Their strategy is laughable somewhat and par for the course for that company.

Wouldn't you want some titles to Wow them at E3. If frame rate is choppy that affects the overall impression more than lighting/ shading and glossy effects. I think they would have been better off to show off frame rate at the expense of graphic slickness than visa-versa. I guess a photorealistic still on the web or in a magazine will win them more points.

All in all, I see it as backpeddling: "Here's the xbox360 folks....oh, by the way.....it's at 1/4 power right now but we promise 80% or better by Christmas." :roll:

Sony is going to be making one expensive machine.

Where did you read that?

Price on the PS3 hasn't been annouced nor speculated. I think it's really too early to say one way or the other. They have to be in the ballpark of the XBox otherwise it simply will not sell no matter what angle they market this at. Maybe they'll do the unthinkable and take a loss. Whose to say. Xbox will be here soon. Sony has another year to put it's money where it's mouth is.

I wish them both, good luck. How can we (the consumer) lose really. Both are truely Next Generation machines. This is a tangible upgrade....and kudous to both companies for making a paradigm shift in the industry.

Nintendo (IMO) should pull a SEGA and just produce software. They have fantastic game concepts (and solid titles) but their system (while low cost) just isn't keeping up with the big boys anymore as "mini" as the leaked photos of the revolution have proved to be.

**PewterTA** · 18 May 2005, 14:52 Wednesday

What's funny is when PS2 came out, EVERYONE thought it was going to be SOOOO expensive and COULDN'T BE DONE for $299 (or whatever the release price was). Yet here it is... (still) dominating the market share of consoles sold.

Sony knows that if they sell it for a little less (where they make virtually little to no profit) that it all pays for itself in the end, by how many units are sold, accessories, and the most important, games, where they make the real money from.

It's sort of funny, what Neal_C said, Xbox 360 hasn't scratched the surface of what it can do...well I agree with that completely... But at the same point, neither has the PS3!!!! So I think that's a pointless point to make. It's like two people building a car and claiming their's is faster when neither one has even turned the engine over...

...and "what" a machine can "really" do, doesn't sell units. I mean the Xbox IS superior to PS2, yet PS2 has held all the market share, why... because of the games that have come out on it. If you have great lineups and great games, it's going to show...

The only thing that worries me is the controllers for both, I'm a BIG PS/PS2 controller fan, that's about the best controller I've ever consistently used and had great success with. I almost think it's a shame to change it and I do admit the PS3 looks a little funny, but if it fits well in the hands...that's all I really care about!

XBox 360's controller to me, looks like it would fit my hand better, but until I try it... I won't know.

As far as what I've read, apparently the PS3 is EXTREMELY easy to program for, makes the old days of PS2 programming non-existant! Which is eaiser to program for (Xbox 360 or PS3) I don't know, I'm not a programmer...

To me, feature wise, the PS3 looks far more impressive, hardware wise, and it's claims also at the moment, offer almost exactly similiar on-line content to what the Xbox360 has...whether that's true or not remains to be seen. The dual 1080p of the PS3, while impressive, doesn't really do anything for me as I don't think a whole lot of people are going to go out and buy 2 $3K+ TVs just to hang them side by side in a room to use it. That's just me... but the fuction is there and it will be neat to see what's done with it.

Sony has two big things going for it...success of the PS1 & PS2 (plus backwards compatibility) and the "Sony" name to it and also, the new Blue-Ray format. Which with the format wars, there will be no contest, what the PS3 has, is the successor. IF PS2 had claims to SACD or DVD-A, only one format would be there. Heck, DVDs didn't sell worth crap until PS2 got into people's house, and even then it took a month or two before DVDs became the norm and eventually took over.

To me, and maybe it's unfair to say, but for Xbox to win it's only doing one thing right as I see it (so far), and that's releasing before the PS3. Other than that, Microsoft has had an upwards battle to get their market share. Microsoft really needed another console that hardware wise (again) outperformed the sony console.

I know just from what I've read, I won't instantly go out and get an Xbox 360 until I see what the PS3 offers...

**Azeke** · 18 May 2005, 18:16 Wednesday

Hmmmmm.

Azeke

**purplepeople** · 18 May 2005, 19:42 Wednesday

2 Tflops? So we all have an opportunity to break into the Top 500 supercomputer list with a gamebox... hmmm.

ensen.

**Trevor Schell** · 18 May 2005, 23:07 Wednesday

They both look great and they will
both end up in my living room.
Truthfully, the actual machines
are not a great huge expense.
It's buying the games that cost
the $$$. Currently I have the Xbox
PS2 & Gamecube. When I add up the
costs of the units it is minimal VS
what we have spent on the games.

BTW,,KillZone was astonishing!!
:amen::amen::amen:

**Chris D** · 18 May 2005, 23:49 Wednesday

Wow, neat...

**jwakaruk** · 18 May 2005, 23:55 Wednesday

Does anyone know whether the PS3 will have HD output via component video? Does Analog AV MULTI OUT x 1 equate to HD component out?? Or more importantly, will myself and basically anyone who has an HD television more then a few years old be able to use the HD features for gaming and/or Blu-ray movies? I'm pretty sure that a large number of HD-ready sets out there do not have HDMI inputs on them.

**PewterTA** · 19 May 2005, 09:13 Thursday

It will be able to output the HD video across the Analog AV multi-out (looks exactly like the connection on the PS2), however, I'm not sure if it will do the 1080p through that or only the HDMI connections... When this is done, the HDMI (pretty sure one of them, but don't know if both) will be disabled, so you basically can't have three outputs simultaneously from the PS3. Now that's just the rumor as of right now, whether that's true or not, don't know, could change (if true) down the road as well.

**jwakaruk** · 25 May 2005, 19:06 Wednesday

It will interesting to see if all the specs are 100% accurate. With processing power of 2 TFLOPS I'm wondering why this announcement didn't cause more of a stir in the computing world. Intel and AMD stock prices didn't even flinch when Sony and IBM announced the Cell as one might think would be the case if these specs are true. I know the servers that we use at work were purchased last year for thousands of dollars and have a fraction of processing power. Why hasn't Sony completely conquered the entire commercial computing industry from supercomputers to servers to home PC with this thing. Why settle for a videogame system. Doesn't make sense to me, or maybe I'm missing something. Any thoughts?

**Neal_C** · 25 May 2005, 19:07 Wednesday

Here is a nice couple page article comparing the Xbox 360 and PS3.

You will find in the article that the Killzone footage that everyone is drooling over is not game play footage, but is pre-rendered video, made to spec.

**Neal_C** · 25 May 2005, 20:23 Wednesday

Originally posted by jwakaruk

It will interesting to see if all the specs are 100% accurate. With processing power of 2 TFLOPS I'm wondering why this announcement didn't cause more of a stir in the computing world. Intel and AMD stock prices didn't even flinch when Sony and IBM announced the Cell as one might think would be the case if these specs are true. I know the servers that we use at work were purchased last year for thousands of dollars and have a fraction of processing power. Why hasn't Sony completely conquered the entire commercial computing industry from supercomputers to servers to home PC with this thing. Why settle for a videogame system. Doesn't make sense to me, or maybe I'm missing something. Any thoughts?

Cell processor is too new. There is a chance it will compete in the x86 world, but it will be years probably before doing so. That will require mass production and acceptance by leading manufacturers. And don't think AMD and Intel will just lay down and die. They have their dual core processors coming now as well.

Info on cell

**cinema bob** · 25 May 2005, 21:18 Wednesday

the cell processor is just an evolution of the PowerPC family of chips which is not at all compatable with x86 processors. apple computers have been useing the powerPC chips since the early 1990's and have been claiming all along that pound for pound clockrate for clockrate the PPC's blow pentiums out of the water.

**jwakaruk** · 29 May 2005, 12:35 Sunday

The Blue Gene/L supercomputer from IBM is based on PowerPC architecture and has a processing power of 135.3 TFlops with 65,536 processors. Now granted microprocessors are becoming more advanced every day but to me this seems like quite a huge jump forward for the PowerPC chip line to get to 2 TFlops with 8 processors. Also, the lack of any serious concern from the PC industry regarding Cell technology also leaves me scratching my head. There's even rumours that Apple is considering using Intel processors in future systems to help compete against giants like Dell in the home PC world. Why is Apple not leading the charge in adopting the Cell for there use. I guess I'm just really catious in believing Sony this time around as to whether the published specs. are entirely accurate, I really hope they are, but I'm not holding my breath.

**Nick M** · 29 May 2005, 23:08 Sunday

I definetly plan on picking up a new game console in 2006.

Leaning towards the PS3... :T

**cinema bob** · 30 May 2005, 03:25 Monday

the rumors of apple switching to intel chips have been blown way out of proportion. it is true that intel is talking to apple, however most industry insiders are of the opinion that apple is interested in a chip for a small video player al a video ipod to go along with a rumored itunes movie store. these rumors have been strengthened by the recent updates to itunes which allows the music player to also play h.264 video files.
apple is very invested in the powerPC architecture. also don't forget that intel makes many chips and controllers not just X86. also never discount the possibility that intel may begin making PowerPC processors in the future and apple is 1/3 of the powerPC parents (with IBM and Motorola) and would need to license the tech in order to produce it.

**Gordon Moore** · 30 May 2005, 09:46 Monday

Intersting news on the RSX chip for the PS3:

"Development not yet finished on RSX, says NVIDIA"

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turns out that the demo was rendered footage (which, I guess, isn't too suprising. Unfortunate, but not suprising). If Sony can achieve that footage though....I would soooo consider the PS3 for all that it does more than the gaming part itself....provided "the price is right". That will be what everything hinges on I guess. With Halo3 scheduled to release in time for the release of the Sony....it should be verrrrry interesting indeed :yesnod:

**Neal_C** · 30 May 2005, 11:08 Monday

When it comes to graphics, both systems will be virtually identical. You can analyze and nit pick the specs all you want, but when it comes right down to it, they are essentially the same.

Sure, I can look at PS3 specs and that Killzone rendered footage and say wow, that looks really good. But I am also impressed by the playable demo videos that MS released that were played on dual G5's with an nvidia 6800; and then go back to their specs and go wow, it is only going to get alot better with the final hardware.

Xbox360 will be in my living room because I have the current Xbox and have been playing it since it launched in Nov '01 and I don't miss my PS2 at all; and, MS kills the competition in online play, and I have been playing on Live for a couple years now.

Not to mention, I am a little patriotically biased at times.

**Nick M** · 30 May 2005, 13:37 Monday

Not to mention, I am a little patriotically biased at times. :roflmao:

**Neal_C** · 30 May 2005, 14:47 Monday

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all night.

**PewterTA** · 06 June 2005, 11:45 Monday

It's going to come down to games. No other reason. It always does....

PS3, will have it's strong points. Xbox360 will have it's strong points.

Anymore, you now have to get both systems just to be able to play the games you will want to pay. I still don't have an xbox and it's frustrated me a lot because I do see games I want to play on it.

Funny thing is, Xbox does have better on line support, but it still can't rival what the PC has. I mean Counter-Strike is about the best all time on line game. And it continues to get better and better. It will be interesting to see if they both do a wireless keyboard/mouse combo and come out with Counter-strike in HD...that'd be good!

Though I still don't know if I'll like it better than playing at 1600x1200. ha ha.

I'll probably end up getting both (which is easier to justify when you have 5 to 6 months inbetween system releases)...so I try not to be biased.

The big thing that has my interest is the Blu-Ray ability of the PS3, that will (till they become common place) make a nice addition to being able to watch HD movies.

**audioqueso** · 09 June 2005, 09:37 Thursday

I'll just buy whichever has the next Final Fantasy. (...part 23 or something like that.. lol)

**Mark1Ace1** · 30 June 2005, 18:58 Thursday

Swaying to the PS3...Its all a matter of swings and roundabouts, what works for one person may not work for the other..My brother swears by the Xbox, myself personally, I don't like...Or maybe I don't have nationalist tendencies hehehe :P

Playstation 3 specs and pics (first look) 2 TERAFLOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playstation 3 specs and pics (first look) 2 TERAFLOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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