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  • Todd S
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2003
    • 21

    Faster 1066 volume ramping

    Would anyone be interested in faster volume ramping? If so, I may be able to help, that is if you have a Philips Pronto or equiv. I modified the remote code, so that it basically repeats quicker. Also, I got rid of the code's repeater frame. So if in the middle of ramping, the IR signal gets blocked, you will not have to re-press the same button to continue ramping.
    I will learn the 2 new codes in the Pronto when I get to work tomorrow. Reply if you are interested.
    Also if you have access to a Pronto, but dont use it, you can temporarily learn it in the Pronto then back into the reg. remote.

    Todd S.
    Todd
  • Kevin D
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Oct 2002
    • 4601

    #2
    I would love the CCF or the codes.. And those interested I'm sure your dealer would be happy to learn them into your remote for you..

    Kevin D.

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    • Rock Dog
      Moderator Emeritus
      • Jan 2003
      • 417

      #3
      Todd, I too am intrested! I would just make it a seperate button, so that I have both options. :T




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      • Andrew Pratt
        Moderator Emeritus
        • Aug 2000
        • 16507

        #4
        can you just post those codes here for use to cut and paste into our pronto's...or email me the CCF and i'll do it for you.




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        • sndtowne
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2003
          • 105

          #5
          Todd,

          I would be very interested in obtaining those codes. I use an RTI remote but have an old Pronto sitting around I could use to transfer the codes. Slow volume ramp up (and down) is a comment we get from our Rotel customers.




          Bruce
          Bruce

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          • Todd S
            Junior Member
            • Jan 2003
            • 21

            #6
            edited....see below
            Todd

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            • Todd S
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2003
              • 21

              #7
              Please ignore the previous post. I am kind of embarrassed, but I rushed the process, and ended up using the wrong codes. Sorry for the confusion! Please use these instead:

              Ok, I originally had the codes in another remote. I verified that these codes work on my 1066. This morning, at work, I taught these codes into a Pronto. I have not verified that they work from a Pronto, but on the oscilloscope they look pretty much the same. So I have to assume that they work. Here they are:

              Volume Up:
              0000 006f 0000 0022 014b 00a8 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0dfd

              Volume Down:
              0000 006f 0000 0022 014b 00a8 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0dfd

              Let me know if they work, and if you like the ramping better!

              Todd
              Todd

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              • Andrew Pratt
                Moderator Emeritus
                • Aug 2000
                • 16507

                #8
                thanks todd I edited the post above for you so people don't get confused. BTW you can edit your own posts anytime you like to fix up errors...just press the edit button.




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                • Todd S
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 21

                  #9
                  Ok, thanks! Damn newbies -

                  Todd
                  Todd

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                  • sndtowne
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 105

                    #10
                    Thanks for the new codes Todd. We tried the original ones and the volume level moved up "1 tick" then stopped. It would not repeat when the (programmed) button was held down. We'll give the new codes a try.




                    Bruce
                    Bruce

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                    • Todd S
                      Junior Member
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 21

                      #11
                      Yes, sorry I did not catch my error fast enough. Anyway the reason why is the 1st codes had the following frame rep rates:
                      Volume Up - 87mS
                      Volume Down - 83mS

                      Well the 1066 does not like it that fast, I guess. So I had increased the rep rate to 93.25mS and it worked perfectly on my unit (I just picked the wrong codes to learn this morning).

                      It might be that I am on the hairy edge with these 2nd set of codes. But if no one sees a problem with it, there would be no reason to further slow the rate down. So let me know how they work!

                      Thanks,
                      Todd
                      Todd

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                      • sndtowne
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 105

                        #12
                        Todd,

                        We just tried the new codes and they work (repeat) fine. Except - we really cannot tell any difference between them and the factory codes (speed wise). How much faster are they supposed to be? We tried the codes out on an RSX-1065 receiver - but it shouldn't make any difference.

                        The part about not having to "re press" the volume button again if the IR transmission is interrupted works fine.

                        Andrew - have you tried the new codes yet?




                        Bruce
                        Bruce

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                        • Todd S
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 21

                          #13
                          I found that the biggest problem with the factory codes was the initial delay when you first began adjusting the volume. When the volume key is first pressed, there is one step in the volume. Then there was what seemed like ages (maybe 1-1.5 seconds) before it would actually begin ramping. And if the IR signal was ever interupted the ramping stopped. You then had to re-press the volume key.

                          Not any longer. The ramping starts immediately, and if there is a signal interuption, it will start ramping as soon as the signal is received again. As for the actual ramping step speed, I thought it seemed faster, but I must admit I never timed it. Just for the fact that there is no pause at the beginning makes the volume ramping quicker. Both my wife and I find the quicker overall response much better than the factory codes.

                          I am curious what others think.

                          Todd
                          Todd

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                          • sndtowne
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 105

                            #14
                            >

                            Todd,

                            I see - I originally thought the actual "speed" of the ramp up was increased, not simply the elimination of the initial delay (which I agree seems like ages).

                            So, I went back and compared the new code's initial delay time with the factory's and they both appeared the same. In other words, the new code still makes 1 step and then takes about 1 to 1.5 seconds before it begins to ramp up. However, I am using an RTI remote. I would like to get the opinion of someone using a Pronto.




                            Bruce
                            Bruce

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                            • Andrew Pratt
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              • Aug 2000
                              • 16507

                              #15
                              Andrew - have you tried the new codes yet?
                              Not yet I'm still at work I'll try and test it tonight after our prenatal class.




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                              • Todd S
                                Junior Member
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 21

                                #16
                                Bruce,

                                I am at a loss to why you can't get those second set of codes to work. I actually brought the Pronto remote home today, and they worked perfectly. The only thing I noticed is that when the unit is first powered on the 'System Status' OSD is displayed. Whenever this is showing my 1066 ramps at a slower (but still faster than factroy) speed. But once this screen is not being displayed, the ramping speed is fast, with no initial delay.

                                Could you verify that if you hold down the volume up key (keep it pressed), then point the remote somewhere else so that the unit stops ramping. Once you point the remote back to the unit (the whole time the button has been pressed) the ramping will continue. If this works as I described I dont know what is different on your end than mine. I guess I could try to put in a slower repeat rate and see how it works for you.

                                Can anybody try the codes with a 1066?

                                Todd
                                Todd

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                                • sndtowne
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jan 2003
                                  • 105

                                  #17
                                  >

                                  Todd,

                                  Yes - if I hold the (programmed) vol up button down and point the remote away from the RSX-1065 the volume stops ramping up. If I continue to hold the button down and "re point" the remote towards the 1065 it continues to ramp up without having to release and re-press the button - so I know I have your codes in the remote.

                                  >

                                  I also tried the codes on an RSP-1066 this morning and it still "stumbles" for about 1.5 seconds before repsonding. I even re-entered the codes in the remote just to make sure they were not somehow corrupted. It's a puzzelment. Perhaps something in the water here in Texas. I am really curious to see how it worked out for Andrew - as I mentioned, I am using an RTI remote (shouldn't make any difference though).




                                  Bruce
                                  Bruce

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                                  • Andrew Pratt
                                    Moderator Emeritus
                                    • Aug 2000
                                    • 16507

                                    #18
                                    I tried them in my pronto last night and it does work better...at least so far as you don't need to repress the button if the signal gets blocked but I'm not sure that it ramps up or down any faster...maybe a little but its still pretty slow compared to other units I've owned in past. Its a step in the right direction though and for that thanks todd!




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                                    • sndtowne
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 105

                                      #19
                                      Andrew,

                                      When you get a chance, would you check to see if your (I believe you are using an RSX-1055 for a preamp) processor still "hesitates" for the normal 1 to 1.5 seconds before ramping up (using the new codes)? With the factory codes, when the remote's volume key is pressed (up or down), the volume number displayed will change by 1 then hesitate before taking off. This is what I am asking about.




                                      Bruce
                                      Bruce

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                                      • Andrew Pratt
                                        Moderator Emeritus
                                        • Aug 2000
                                        • 16507

                                        #20
                                        I'll double check tonight but I don't think that was occuring last night but I'll have to double check to make sure




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                                        • Kevin D
                                          Ultra Senior Member
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 4601

                                          #21
                                          Ok.. Holy crap... That is the coolest thing I've seen done in the longest time.. Hopefull Sndtowne can get it figured out (maybe the RTI?) because I sat and played with my volume for like 30 minutes last night..

                                          No initial stumble, a slightly faster ramping speed, and just an overall better response. It truely amazes me what you have done Todd, thanks! Someone really needs to get this code to Rotel so they can say "Damn... That's all we had to do???"

                                          1066-V2, programmed on Pronto and back into the 969..

                                          Kevin D.

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                                          • Andrew Pratt
                                            Moderator Emeritus
                                            • Aug 2000
                                            • 16507

                                            #22
                                            I sent Rotel the URL to this tread so they should be aware of it.




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                                            • sndtowne
                                              Senior Member
                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 105

                                              #23
                                              Hmmmmmm.... I have an old Pronto sitting around somewhere. I'll dig it out and give it a try. Perhaps the code (although it does turn the volume up and down) has a compatibility problem with the RTI remote. :cry:

                                              Thanks for your work on this Todd.




                                              Bruce
                                              Bruce

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                                              • JKohn
                                                Senior Member
                                                • Jun 2002
                                                • 109

                                                #24
                                                Tried the code on my Marantz 5200 (cousin to the Pronto). THe initial delay is gone now, but repeat speed seems about the same. Still, a welcome improvement.




                                                Jeff Kohn
                                                Jeff Kohn
                                                http://home.houston.rr.com/jeffkohn

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                                                • Todd S
                                                  Junior Member
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 21

                                                  #25
                                                  Ok, I might have found out why some people didn't get the same results I did. All of my initial testing was with the 1066 idle (not decoding anything). I thought I made the ramp speed much faster than the original codes, but some of you thought you could not tell the difference.

                                                  Well, last night we sat down to watch a movie. I noticed that the ramp speed was terrible. So I gather some of you my have had the 1066 'non-idle' when you tested my codes. I have come up with a new set of codes that work when decoding. Please let me know if they are an improvement. I must admit it is hard for me to remember the speed of the factory codes. I do not want to reset the remote to compare the speeds!

                                                  Volume Up:
                                                  0000 006f 0000 0022 014b 00a8 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 1060


                                                  Volume Down:
                                                  0000 006f 0000 0022 014b 00a8 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 0015 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 003d 0015 105f

                                                  Todd
                                                  Todd

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                                                  • sndtowne
                                                    Senior Member
                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 105

                                                    #26
                                                    Todd,

                                                    I'm at home right now, but will try the new codes Tuesday and let you know. I really hope they work on my RTI remote.

                                                    Thanks,




                                                    Bruce
                                                    Bruce

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                                                    • JKohn
                                                      Senior Member
                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                      • 109

                                                      #27
                                                      Todd,

                                                      Just saw your post with the new codes, I'll give them a try tonight. Thanks for all your work on this...




                                                      Jeff Kohn
                                                      Jeff Kohn
                                                      http://home.houston.rr.com/jeffkohn

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                                                      • sndtowne
                                                        Senior Member
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 105

                                                        #28
                                                        Todd,

                                                        I tried the new codes, and the volume does the first tick up - but does not repeat.




                                                        Bruce
                                                        Bruce

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                                                        • Todd S
                                                          Junior Member
                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                          • 21

                                                          #29
                                                          Bruce,

                                                          Are you using the RTI T2? If so, how do you import the Pronto code string into the RTI? I downloaded the software, but could not find any option that allows me to do so.

                                                          Also you said that you have a Pronto somewhere. Have you ever tried it?

                                                          I will make up a .ccf file that contains a lot of variations of the codes for you to try. It will be easier to test it off that, than 1 set at a time.

                                                          Todd
                                                          Todd

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                                                          • JKohn
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                            • 109

                                                            #30
                                                            Todd,

                                                            I tried your latest codes tonight on my Marantz remote (Pronto cousin), and they worked like a champ. The repeat rate is noticeably faster than it was before. The only thing I noticed was that occasionally a single press would register as two commands instead of one, but I can live with that.

                                                            Great work!




                                                            Jeff Kohn
                                                            Jeff Kohn
                                                            http://home.houston.rr.com/jeffkohn

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                                                            • Kevin D
                                                              Ultra Senior Member
                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 4601

                                                              #31
                                                              Just FYI.. I tried to program the first set of codes (that's all I had on me) into a customers system today with a 1065 (real early model) and it was a no go. Only improvement was that it would auto repeat. The delay was still there and same ramp speed.

                                                              Has anyone gotten a 1065 to take the codes yet? And on a side ntoe, how do I check firmware on this thing? The mute trick doesn't work..

                                                              Kevin D.

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                                                              • sndtowne
                                                                Senior Member
                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 105

                                                                #32
                                                                >

                                                                Hey Todd,

                                                                There is an undocumented command in the IR library while in the new IR code part. F12 will being up the code insertion box.

                                                                I have not had a chance to try the codes on a Pronto yet.

                                                                Say, thanks for fooling with this. If you could get the codes to work with the RTI T-2 it would be a great benefit for my customers (and me too).




                                                                Bruce
                                                                Bruce

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                                                                • Todd S
                                                                  Junior Member
                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 21

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Bruce,

                                                                  Would it be possible for you to take the latest codes I posted, and teach them into a pronto? Then post the learned pronto code strings back to this thread? When learning the codes into the pronto, could you please make sure to hold the button down until the Pronto has learned the code (I just want to be sure!).

                                                                  I will try to do what I can to get it working for you,
                                                                  Todd
                                                                  Todd

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                                                                  • sndtowne
                                                                    Senior Member
                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                    • 105

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Todd,

                                                                    One of my employees just informed me that he sold my Pronto (I had not used it in over a year - since I got the RTI T-2). So... I have no way to check the codes in a Pronto. Sorry.




                                                                    Bruce
                                                                    Bruce

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                                                                    • Rock Dog
                                                                      Moderator Emeritus
                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                      • 417

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Todd S
                                                                      Bruce,

                                                                      Would it be possible for you to take the latest codes I posted, and teach them into a pronto? Then post the learned pronto code strings back to this thread? When learning the codes into the pronto, could you please make sure to hold the button down until the Pronto has learned the code (I just want to be sure!).

                                                                      I will try to do what I can to get it working for you,
                                                                      Todd
                                                                      I've got a Pronto and 1066. What is it you would like done Todd? :?




                                                                      -Thomas-

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                                                                      • Andrew Pratt
                                                                        Moderator Emeritus
                                                                        • Aug 2000
                                                                        • 16507

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I'm home alone tonight so I intend to try out those new codes tonight. I'll let you know if I see any difference between those and the first set you posted.

                                                                        Ok I just tried the new codes and although I can't be 100 percent sure (I should have timed it) but IMO it seems quite a bit faster now then it was before...fantastic work!




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                                                                        • EricTT
                                                                          Junior Member
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 8

                                                                          #37
                                                                          ok, I've had it with that 1.5 sec delay of the remote but I don't have a pronto to use these codes. I've checked ebay but it seems I need to spend > $100 just to get this to work.

                                                                          I don't think I'd want a pronto for everyday use but I do want to get the MX-700. I don't suppose there's any other way of doing this? Does the faster ramping really make a difference? I'm trying to decide if the daily frustration of the remote's behavior is worth $ 100+ (in addition to the cost of the MX-700).
                                                                          Thanks
                                                                          Eric Thompson

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                                                                          • Andrew Pratt
                                                                            Moderator Emeritus
                                                                            • Aug 2000
                                                                            • 16507

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Eric where are you located? There must be someone located near you that has a pronto. There's also some $90 pronto's on the philips site (check out the post in the electronics area of the forum)




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                                                                            • Todd S
                                                                              Junior Member
                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                              • 21

                                                                              #39
                                                                              It would be great if someone out there had access to a Pronto, and at the same time, other remotes. You can take the Pronto codes and 'manually' teach them into an RTI, MX-700, etc... (If it helps I also have access to a Xantech URC2). Then that person can create and distribute the respective file for a given remote. This would increase the chances of someone having access to a 'supported' universal remote. Once this is done, the code could be taught from the supported universal remote back into the Rotel RR-969.

                                                                              Todd
                                                                              Todd

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                                                                              • EricTT
                                                                                Junior Member
                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                • 8

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I'm in Boston, anyone in the area with a pronto? I guess I could try to find someone I could send my remote to and have them teach it into and send back... As soon as I get the MX-700, I'd be happy to help post that info.

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                                                                                • EricTT
                                                                                  Junior Member
                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                  • 8

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Well, I found someone with both a pronto and mx-700 and I forwarded the codes to him and he entered them into the pronto then learned it to the mx-700 and exported them and emailed me the mxd file. I imported that into my mx-700 and the volume down works but the volume up just goes up one click. This way is a little slower than the original but not having that delay is so much better. I've been shopping other processors just because this volume bothers me so much every day.
                                                                                  So I just wanted to confirm that the codes from Todd are working for people before I have my friend try this again. Unfortunately he doesn't have a rotel to test if his pronto is getting it right.

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