RMB-1075 and RSP-1068 combo how much longer

[boxer82003]

i have been researching this combo for a year or so now and the wife finally gave me the green light ;x( after i took her to the lululemon store oh and got her some uggs on e-bay :T enough of that my question is ,

how long before these become discontinued now the have been manufactured for a while now. any idea

[Kevin D]

1068 at least another year. 1075 probably longer.

Kevin D.

[basementjack]

man, get a 1057 instead of the 1068 - less money, free tuner, an extra 2 channels of amplification, and the exact same stuff inside -

[deke]

Wow... I've been considering getting a 1068 since Jan of last year, but couldn't pull the trigger then.

[boxer82003]

man, get a 1057 instead of the 1068 - less money, free tuner, an extra 2 channels of amplification, and the exact same stuff inside -

is this true exactly the same? why bother at all then with the RMB-1075
or why even go with seperates

[Kevin D]

No, he means use a 1057 and a 1075 together. You can reroute the 1057's amps for center rears or zone2 (or both I think).

The debate is still out there, but most can't hear the difference (or at least enough to warrant the increase cost of the 1068.

Kevin D.

[boxer82003]

so for a 5 channel setup are you saying the 1057 is as good as the combo and if you decide to go to a 7ch setup get the rmb-1075 there is no real sonic differences

[Kevin D]

No, for either a 5 or 7 channel system. The 1075 will out perform the amps built in.. He was just listing what you get in addition from a 1068

Tuner
HDMI switching
less cost
extra amp channels (for zone or center rears)

And still get most the same sound (since you're still using the 1075 amp)

Kevin D.

[boxer82003]

thank you

[shadow 8]

I would not get too hung up on the 1075 outperforming the amps in the 1057 unless you really need that extra power in your setup. The 1057 puts out a real 75 wpc while the 1075 puts out 120 or so. That is less than two db advantage on peaks. Most people talk themselves into buying more power than they need on this forum IMO. I would start out with the 1057 and see how it does in your setup at your customary volume levels. If it is straining you can always buy the power amp. The 1070 stereo amp puts out 130 wpc and can be used to drive your main L-R setup.

[dvdchance]

I would not get too hung up on the 1075 outperforming the amps in the 1057 unless you really need that extra power in your setup. The 1057 puts out a real 75 wpc while the 1075 puts out 120 or so. That is less than two db advantage on peaks. Most people talk themselves into buying more power than they need on this forum IMO. I would start out with the 1057 and see how it does in your setup at your customary volume levels. If it is straining you can always buy the power amp. The 1070 stereo amp puts out 130 wpc and can be used to drive your main L-R setup.

I must respectfully disagree. From my experience, extra power isn't just useful to play louder, it's to give better dynamics headroom or whatever it's called.

For the volume level I usually listen at, my Denon 2805 should be plenty. yet when I was using the amps in their to drive my speakers, it was very fatiguing to listen.

Got me a 1075 driving the fronts, centre and surrounds, what a difference. Not that it can go so much louder, just that it seems so much more musical.

[gianni]

Keep in mind though, your comparison involves the Denon 2807 not the Rotel. Not exactly the same beast.

[dvdchance]

Keep in mind though, your comparison involves the Denon 2807 not the Rotel. Not exactly the same beast.

I'm sure in real world power they are fairly comparable. The Denon is rated 100wpc that is probably near 75 real world. around the Rotel. Judging by the size the Rotel can't have anywhere near the power supply that's in my 1075.

[boxer82003]

For the volume level I usually listen at, my Denon 2805 should be plenty. yet when I was using the amps in their to drive my speakers, it was very fatiguing to listen.

Got me a 1075 driving the fronts, centre and surrounds, what a difference. Not that it can go so much louder, just that it seems so much more musical.

i curently have the denon 3805 and agree with the fatigue

[shadow 8]

The 1057 is much better sounding than the Denon receivers mentioned, so no valid comparison there. The amp design of the 1057 and 1075 is very similar. Yes the 1075 puts out more current and can put out marginally more power, but unless you are overdriving the 1057, the difference is marginal at best. Audiophiles have an age-old habit of justifying the cost of any upgrade, regardless if there is any objective proof that it really improves sound quality. I stand by my original opinion and recommendation. If you find you need more power, buy an amp, preferrably a Rotel 1095 that puts out substantially more power and current than the 1057 receiver.

[Kevin D]

Very true. There's no reason you can't add an amp later if need be. What kind of speakers are you running and what size room? Others with experience might be able to tell you whether the 1057 will be enough.

Kevin D.

[boxer82003]

room is large i have a very open floor plan so its actually like 2 or 3 rooms. i have all B&W 602.5s3 for main and rear and asw650 sub and an lrc60 center.

i will probably update my mains in the next year to the 703 not changing much else.

[boxer82003]

i can pick up a rotel 1057 for 1500.00 plus shipping cad funds 5 months old

or a rmb-1075 and rsp-1068 for 2200.00 plus shipping cad funds about a year or 2 old

[Ferres]

I cannot vouche for the Denon or Rotel recievers since I've never owned them. But I've used a Marantz SR6300 as a pre-pro for a few years, I thought is was great until I got the Rsp-1068. The 1068 was just flat out superior. Detail, imaging and voice clarity was at a completely different level.

It is hard for me to imagine a reciever to be able to perform in par with a dedicated pre-pro.

Plus, if used as a pre-pro, you'll be wasting over 300watts of electricity powering the onboard amps of the reciever.

[Redhawk]

Why is the 1068 so much more than the 1057?

No, for either a 5 or 7 channel system. The 1075 will out perform the amps built in.. He was just listing what you get in addition from a 1068

Tuner
HDMI switching
less cost
extra amp channels (for zone or center rears)

And still get most the same sound (since you're still using the 1075 amp)

Kevin D.

[shadow 8]

I cannot vouche for the Denon or Rotel recievers since I've never owned them. But I've used a Marantz SR6300 as a pre-pro for a few years, I thought is was great until I got the Rsp-1068. The 1068 was just flat out superior. Detail, imaging and voice clarity was at a completely different level.

It is hard for me to imagine a reciever to be able to perform in par with a dedicated pre-pro.

Plus, if used as a pre-pro, you'll be wasting over 300watts of electricity powering the onboard amps of the reciever.

Preamp and prepro circuitry are the same in both the 1057 and 1068, so there should be little if any difference when using either as a preamp.

[Kevin D]

Why is the 1068 so much more than the 1057?

Depending on what country you live in, the 1057 could be more expensive. It's completely market dependent. Rotel can't price their receivers out of the market and even if it's just a perceived benefit; there's a strong market for separate components.

Kevin D.

[calmac]

Preamp and prepro circuitry are the same in both the 1057 and 1068, so there should be little if any difference when using either as a preamp.

Are you absolutely sure this is true , same opamps ,same quality passive components.What about power supplies , does the pre/pro in the 1057 have a separate power supply or does it use the one that powers everything else.
The main reason for using separate pre and power amps is that the level of interference between the high power speaker driving circuits and the low level interference succeptable preamp circuits is reduced , this results in lower noise in the signal and therefor better sound quality.Separate dedicated power supplies have also been shown to have benefit in sound quality terms.
It is my understanding that there is little reason why an integrated amp can't sound as good as a pre/power combo but to achieve this the preamp sections need to be properly screened and high quality dedicated power supplies implemented, this just isn't possible in a product like the 1057, that sells for such a comparatively low price and therefor the 1068/1075 should sound better if the rest of your system is revealing enough.The differences may not be huge to the casual listener but imo will be there , particularly on 2 ch replay and at a level that can transform the sound from O.K. to musically involving and emotionally satisfying.
Gordon

[boxer82003]

i can pick up a rotel 1057 for 1500.00 plus shipping cad funds 5 months old

or a rmb-1075 and rsp-1068 for 2200.00 plus shipping cad funds about a year or 2 old

would you guys think these to be fair prices?

[pramod]

Are you absolutely sure this is true , same opamps ,same quality passive components.What about power supplies , does the pre/pro in the 1057 have a separate power supply or does it use the one that powers everything else.
The main reason for using separate pre and power amps is that the level of interference between the high power speaker driving circuits and the low level interference succeptable preamp circuits is reduced , this results in lower noise in the signal and therefor better sound quality.Separate dedicated power supplies have also been shown to have benefit in sound quality terms.
It is my understanding that there is little reason why an integrated amp can't sound as good as a pre/power combo but to achieve this the preamp sections need to be properly screened and high quality dedicated power supplies implemented, this just isn't possible in a product like the 1057, that sells for such a comparatively low price and therefor the 1068/1075 should sound better if the rest of your system is revealing enough.The differences may not be huge to the casual listener but imo will be there , particularly on 2 ch replay and at a level that can transform the sound from O.K. to musically involving and emotionally satisfying.
Gordon

I Absolutely agree......?? and you also have more upgrade options if you have Pre/Power combo.

[shadow 8]

Are you absolutely sure this is true , same opamps ,same quality passive components.What about power supplies , does the pre/pro in the 1057 have a separate power supply or does it use the one that powers everything else.
The main reason for using separate pre and power amps is that the level of interference between the high power speaker driving circuits and the low level interference succeptable preamp circuits is reduced , this results in lower noise in the signal and therefor better sound quality.Separate dedicated power supplies have also been shown to have benefit in sound quality terms.
It is my understanding that there is little reason why an integrated amp can't sound as good as a pre/power combo but to achieve this the preamp sections need to be properly screened and high quality dedicated power supplies implemented, this just isn't possible in a product like the 1057, that sells for such a comparatively low price and therefor the 1068/1075 should sound better if the rest of your system is revealing enough.The differences may not be huge to the casual listener but imo will be there , particularly on 2 ch replay and at a level that can transform the sound from O.K. to musically involving and emotionally satisfying.
Gordon

Yes its true. Makes no sense to invent the wheel twice on two components of such similar cost. The use of seperate power supplies is overrated. When phono was the prime source, it made sense due to the low level signals. Effectively, there are no low level signals in todays electronics that cannot easily be shielded in the receiver. Spoke to a Rotel tech last year and he confirmed they are identical.

[Ferres]

...and what about the 400watts of elecrticity wasted on the recievers unused amps. :roll:

Anyway here's a review for the 1057 :T

http://www.guidetohometheater.com/avreceivers/506rotel1057/

[dvdchance]

...and what about the 400watts of elecrticity wasted on the recievers unused amps. :roll:

Would it really draw any current if the amp channels had no load on them? I know when I used the amps in the Denon it got mighty hot, now it's barely lukewarm after hours of use.

[Ferres]

I'd assume it will still draw power equivalent to an idling amplifier, which would still be significant. Unless they allow a kind of bypass when the pre-outs are used.

I see you have and Lsi7. I believe it is a 4 ohm load. Good thing the Denon didn't go into 'protect' on occassion before you got the 1075 :P

[dvdchance]

I'd assume it will still draw power equivalent to an idling amplifier, which would still be significant. Unless they allow a kind of bypass when the pre-outs are used.

I see you have and Lsi7. I believe it is a 4 ohm load. Good thing the Denon didn't go into 'protect' on occassion before you got the 1075 :P

I don't think I had the LSi7's when I was just using the Denon amps. I had the Polk RT35's then. Another nice sounding speaker in my opinion. What can I say even though they don't get alot of respect I really like the way Polk speakers sound.

[Ferres]

I had the Lsi9's before. They were great speakers but needed a lot of power.

I moved on to the Tannoy Sensys DC line for the cleaner sound.

[calmac]

Yes its true. Makes no sense to invent the wheel twice on two components of such similar cost. The use of seperate power supplies is overrated. When phono was the prime source, it made sense due to the low level signals. Effectively, there are no low level signals in todays electronics that cannot easily be shielded in the receiver. Spoke to a Rotel tech last year and he confirmed they are identical.

We seem to disagree on a lot of these points S8 however I do agree that the removal of the phono stage has reduced interference issues in most hifi components , however it has not eliminated the issues as the necessity to sheild one of the boards in the 1098 indicates for example. I don't believe that the effect of quality isolated power supplies is overrated ,quite the opposite.
I guess the important point is will a 1056/1075 sound just as good as a 1068/1075 to those who require the best possible sound quality.
Gordon