press releases from Rotel, all new products !!

[eelco74]

Well, sometimes you stumble upon things... this is from the CES website. I made a copy to my own website:

rsp1068

http://home.wanadoo.nl/evanvliet/files/rsp1068.pdf

rdv1050

http://home.wanadoo.nl/evanvliet/files/rdv1050.pdf

rsx 1056

http://home.wanadoo.nl/evanvliet/files/rsx1056.pdf

I want that rsp-1068.......NOW :LOL:

[eelco74]

I have read them now, but I noticed something :

RSX-1068 and 1056 : DPL IIx
RSP-1068 : DPL, but no mention of DPL IIx ?

And the press release of the rsx-1068 contains a typo. A price for the first on who finds it :-)

[Ossi]

Shame on me ops: but from the PDF file of the 1068 I fell to ask: What the hell is the difference of the 1066 and 1068? I mean if not even DPL IIx is mensioned and the face plate is the same, so what is the deal?
The PDF file says just nothing to me. :?
At least for the receivers you can see where the differences are but for the 1068... :?:

[eelco74]

well,

just got an Email confirming that both (receiver and pre-amp) will have DLP IIx. I suspect (hope) that DTS 24/96 will be included as well. I assume they have pust some of the 1098 components in them.


As for the difference, this will only be for sure as soon as the product sheets are availaible.

[Juan Cortez]

Thanks for the info.

I kinda was hoping that the 1056 would be a 7 channel amplification receiver. Does anyone know the Canadian retail of the new products?

[Andrew Pratt]

Juan the older Rotels seemed to be priced about what they should be considering the exchange rate unlike say HK and Denon that seem to inflate the price as it crosses the boarder. Given how strong our dollar is at the moment though it might not seem as good a deal but taking a more typical conversion of about 68 cents to the dollar should get you close...at least that's my guess.

[Andrew Pratt]

Juan the older Rotels seemed to be priced about what they should be considering the exchange rate unlike say HK and Denon that seem to inflate the price as it crosses the boarder. Given how strong our dollar is at the moment though it might not seem as good a deal but taking a more typical conversion of about 68 cents to the dollar should get you close...at least that's my guess.

[eelco74]

I am very curious what prices will be in Europe. Since the Dollar has become so much cheaper to the Euro, I hope to see a more competative price here in Europe.

[Scarp]

I dont know if anybody noticed, but the display of the 1068 says "Bypass", which probably means that the analogue input bypass mode is now available on the 1068.

[eelco74]

Hi Scarp,

I noticed that the display is mutch wider.
The display of the 1066 starts the tone controls and ends at the second button row.
The display of the 1068 starts left of the tone control and ends at the 4th button row.

I did not notice any bypass button. Where did you see that ?

[mutley]

any information on audio delay?

what's the difference between 1050 and 1060?

the 1040 is a 1050 dvd-only player?

thanks




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[eelco74]

The press release states group delay settings. So that should cover it.

[Scarp]

Hi Scarp,

I noticed that the display is mutch wider.
The display of the 1066 starts the tone controls and ends at the second button row.
The display of the 1068 starts left of the tone control and ends at the 4th button row.

I did not notice any bypass button. Where did you see that ?

Just zoom in on de display of the 1068. On the bottom row it says "Bypass"

[eelco74]

Yes, I saw it too....pitty that the quality of the picture is soo poor. You cannot see if the dts logo days dts24/96

anyway does the passthrough mean that you can choose on the 5.1 input if you wat bass copy or not ?

[Tha Freak]

What is the difference between the RSX-1055 and the RSX-1056??

Beside PLx??

And will the PLx will be available in the 1055 by a firmware update?




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[Scarp]

I doubt very much that Dolby Prologic IIx will ever become available on the 1055/1065/1066, since the new products will have this.

Besides that it seems that they will have many features that the 1098 has, like analogue bypass (i.e. pure audio mode) and a fixed BM.

However, until more info comes available its just speculation.

[TonyStarks]

Hey Guys,

In the press release it mentioned that the 1067 redirects the rear surround channels does that mean it has a 7 channel amp? I just need clarification.

Thanks Guys!

[Andrew Pratt]

I don't think we'll see a 7 channel amp from Rotel...at least not any time soon.

[Nick V]

I thought it said in the press release that the 1067 is a 7x100 receiver.




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[DrJRapp]

Seems that the 1068 is not quite but almost the 1098 lite we all were hoping for! I can't wait to hear the first reviews and comparisons with the 1098.




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Klipsch RF7C/RC7C/RS7/RS3 SVS PB2+
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[Mats]

Seems that the 1068 is not quite but almost the 1098 lite we all were hoping for! I can't wait to hear the first reviews and comparisons with the 1098.

To me it seems that the 1068 is a 1066 with PL2x and it`s far away from the 1098.




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[Scarp]

powermaxi2000, if you take some time reading this topic and other topics about it, the 1068 is not just the 1066 + DPL IIx.

First of all the screen is different. This screen shows bypass mode, which is available on the 1098. This indicates that the 1068 is quite different. Also there will be a group delay which is not present on the 1066. It seems very much that several 1098 are employed now in the 1068.

So, I don't think your statement is true, but lets all wait and see until it really becomes available.

[Mats]

The 1068 is surely based on the 1066 and adds some features.
Thats evolution and not revolution.

In an other topic it is asked what`s the difference to the 2CH Mode as it is now? I don`t know.

What els? Wider display, PL2x, Group delay... Not much I think
It will have speaker distance settings in meter I think

dts 96/24 ? If not it is a sign that the CPU used is not very powerful....




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[will1066]

I would also like to know if there is a difference between "analog bypass" on the 1068 and "2 CH" on the 1066. Also, I think that the 1068's bottom tone control reads "LFE" instead of "bass."

[Nick V]

I would hope that the 1068 is based on the 1098 rather than the 1066. With all the R&D that went into designing and developing the 1098, it seems plausible that Rotel could offer most of the 1098's strenghts and features into the 1068 for a significantly lower price. Just look at the Parasound Halo gear for a good example of this.

Also, the DTS logo on the picture in that .pdf appears to be a DTS 96/24 - ES NEO:6 logo. This one:





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[randyman]

Does anyone know what type of dacs the new model will have? 192 or the basic 96 dacs?

[Ossi]

The 1068 is surely based on the 1066 and adds some features.
Thats evolution and not revolution.

Well in terms of revolution we will have to take a look at other companies


http://www.gspr.com/onkyo/images/txn...ardout_300.jpg

If the back of the 1098 would have looked more like the new Onkyo TX-NR 1000 (without the speaker terminal) then for ones Rotel could have done some revolution. I-Link, HDMI...
Where is the Rotel in all this?
No, I think the 1068 will just be a bit of new features with a more powerfull DSP engine, but still the preamp just like the 1098 missed sadly the features of the real Flagships. I do not expect those from a 1700$ RSP 1068 but I would have expeted those from a 3000$ RSP 1098.
Just look at the DVD-Players. What is the revolution about those? Rotel is at least one year behind technology at prices of "I have it all" players.
Still they make a good job regarding their amps, but they need to catch up quickly on some other parts.
The biggest let down on Rotel parts is not to prase the 1098 at hardware upgradable and actually present some upgrades. In my eyes in terms of new technologies it already start to be old compared to new high end receivers that are introduced this year.

[Leef DaLucky]

Holy Crap!
;x(
Ya i was reading a post on another board about Intergra's new 'Made to Order' Pre that was gonna be board/modular based similar to this.
I guess they trickled down that technology pretty quick.
nice.


I'm following this Rsp-1068 thread fairly closely as i get a little closer to upgrading. I did see they announced 5 digital Inputs. I think this might be the same as the 1066 though. (right? 3 co-ax/2 opt's?).
I was hoping for some Video Upconversion on it, ala 1098, but i'll assume for now that since that particular feature isn't listed on the 1068 press release it has failed to make it in.
A note worthy feature to be sure.
damn.


Even if its doens't have conversion though, the 1068 looks like the way to go for those of us on the verge of being Rotel-asized.

Cheers,
L.




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[Chris D]

Whoa... that's quite a backside. HDMI switching, eh? Not bad a'tall...




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[Andrew Pratt]

That oink looks nice but the proof will be in the pudding. The denon 5803 has features out the wazoo but you won't ever see one in my rack so long as Rotel's still in the business of making gear sound good first then worry about features. I do understand the frustration with their DVD players but the fact is Rotel can't afford to lead the bleeding edge its too expensive for the gains.

[Mark_C.]

It does seem that Rotel is muddying up their DVD line. What makes the 1060 more special than the 1040 other than DVD-A and $400? What makes it that much more special than the new 1050, for that matter?
As for the 1068, for someone like me, with a 1066 for HT and a separate high-end two-channel system, there's no "gotta have'' feeling. I can stick with the 1066 for another product cycle without feeling I'm missing something.

[BKSinAZ]

:x AND STILL.........NO DARN HEADPHONE JACK ON THE 1068!!!
PISSES ME OFF!

[Trevor_J]

:x AND STILL.........NO DARN HEADPHONE JACK ON THE 1068!!!
PISSES ME OFF!

I'll PASS on the 1068. It seems to me from the Press release that this is a slightly updated 1066. Nothing revolutionary here, but I hope they at LEAST include Component upconversion.

I really enjoyed the line about software upgradability so that customers can upgrade to newer formats (paraphrasing). I remember an identical statement made when the 1066 was released. So....where's my DPLIIx upgrade? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mats]

I`d be interested in how many revisions of firmware it will take the 1068 to run without any mistakes or bugs :twisted:


Looks like a dts 96/24 sign

But it`s LF and not LFE at the knob.




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[eelco74]

I must agree on that. If had bought a 1066 I would expect to have DLPIIx as an upgrade. Although Rotel has done more than most other vendors on the development of the 1066 software.

In 2000 I was awaiting the rsp-976. However DTS-ES came around the corner, and I wanted that as well (wich the 976 did not have). So I made the stupid mistake in buying a Denon 3801.

It is quite OK in DD/DTS, but stereo is so bad. And now with SACD, I have to use it as a pre-amp. So now I wish I had bought the 976. The extra channel in ES-EX is very usefull. But I would rather have better stereo performance.

So I saved some money again and I won't make anothe rmistake:

YES I will buy a pre-amp now
YES I might listen to NAD's new pre-amp as an alternative
But the 1068 is on top of my list
Unless the difference with the 1066 is maginally. Then I might try to find an old stock 1066.

I expect the 1068 to have

• better bass management on 5.1 input
  DTS 24/96
  Some of the sonic analogue qualities of the 1098
  DLP IIx (actually I don't care about that)
  A nicer screen (wich it has apparenty)

HDMI, well look at pioneer. only their flagship receiver has an input. And it costs the same as a 1098. Their new plasma has an input. But who owns one. I like to own one, but can't afford it :-).....yet....

Denon only has HDMI on their DVD-A-11
My 2900 has none.

btw not to bash too mutch in Denon. I own a dvd-2900. It as small problems too, but I like it very much.

[Scarp]

The biggest difference with the current 2CH way and the 1098 way is this:
On the 1066 all analogue inputs are in bypass mode, however the two channels are digitized for creation of a mono subwoofer channel. This means that independent of your speaker setting your fronts will always be Large in 2 channel analogue. A subwoofer channel can be created if your speaker settings is small (but still the fronts are used as large!).

On the 1098 you can chose between stereo and bypass mode. Stereo means that the signal from an analogue input is digitized and proper bassmanagement is used. Bypass mode means that the analogue signal is passed directly to volume control and no digitization is done.

If the 1068 uses the 1098 way, then this is a quite significant improvement. You can use proper bassmanagement on analogue stereo inputs, but still with the choice to disregard all extra's and have the purest way possible.

HDMI switching? Uhh... why not directly routing your video to the beamer? How many people have multiple HDMI output machines?

iLink? How many people have an iLink capable player? Not many yet.

Headphone jack? Buy a proper headphone amplifier. Headphone jacks are usually cheap as hell.

DPLIIx? Who cares, have anyone heard it yet? Is it really that good? I doubt it. Rotel XS works fine too.

DTS 96/24? Who cares. Please tell me how many titles you have of that. I have exactly one title that includes it. Is it better? Not really, because the MLP tracks on the same disc are even better, so better use that. Of all DTS dvd's there are only a few with 96/24.

Please all refrain from Rotel bashing before all information is available. I think its cheap to bash the new products before they are out yet.

The new 1068 will still one of the few pre/pro's in its price range. You want more you have to pay more.

[Mats]

I don`t understand the i-link, hdmi ... hype as well.

Let`s wait what will be the system of the future.

But Pl2x is said to be a big step forward and a very good system.

Nevertheless I doubt how many people have a 7.1 system installed; with a 5.1 system PL2x is worthless; with a 6.1 system (that I have) only half the possibilities are used.




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[eelco74]

Scarp,

I agree, like I said in my earlier post.

I don't need all the latest formats and connections. I need an AV-amp that SOUNDS good. I expect the 1068 will do anything and more than I need.

I agree on the dts24/96. I only own 1 dts demo disc that has a track on it. It more or less an assurance, that if it does dts24/96, it has the processing power for future formats. If they ever appear.

My 3801 has no DPLII, nor DPL IIx. But I hardly miss it. It is still only old fashioned 2 channel material.

[PKuziel]

I doubt very much that Dolby Prologic IIx will ever become available on the 1055/1065/1066, since the new products will have this.

Besides that it seems that they will have many features that the 1098 has, like analogue bypass (i.e. pure audio mode) and a fixed BM.

However, until more info comes available its just speculation.

Pardon me but is'nt a big selling point for Rotel the fact that the equipment is "FUTURE PROOF" ? I quote " When you consider that the RSX-1055 is also “future proof” with upgradable software, it’s a sophisticated surround sound receiver that can’t be beat." Meaning that when new technology becomes available you can upgraqde your unit to support that new technology? I think that it is only right that Rotel stand by their products.




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[eelco74]

well excuse me,

But Rotel has had several software updates
Rotel has listend to suggestions from this forum
Rotel have added extra functionality
Rotel even accepted us cutting out resistors to fix the BM issue

I prefer them fixing the stuff like BM-issue, the volume on the display, mute-unmute etc.

Compare this to the rivals :

NAD : only the S170 and the new 773 and the new T163 are software upgradable. All other models, no chance.

Denon: well, if you can get them to commit there is a problem in your product, only then you might get an upgrade. Most of the time it is plain denial. Remember the dvd-1000 and 1500 ? And the receivers have no update facility.

I'd rather have good sound, than the latest formats. Especially if there is no software available for this new format.

[PKuziel]

I was not criticizing Rotel in my last post. What I was being critical about is the previous poster stated that he believed that the new software would NOT be available for older ie: RSX-1055 units. I do see that Rotel has been good with the updates. So excuse me!




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[Scarp]

Its very simple, saying "software upgradable" doesn't mean you will get anything that comes out. Partly its just for marketing and partly its for problem fixes. Only quite expensive equipment like Lexicon or Meridian can have upgrades for these kind of new formats, since they are made out of normal DSP's and all is controlled by software.

When using chip solutions from cirrus or crystal, the manufacturer is dependent on this company. Sometimes its not as simple as a software upgrade.

I do agree the term "future proof" is a bit too much marketing, but obviously anybody could have figured this.

Btw, a lot of companies say the same. The Integra topmodel has had an upgrade port for ages, but still unused as far as i know, even though they promised upgrades.

In the end the sound is what matters for the reasonable amount of money. The Rotel 1066 has been a good product that had its flaws. Hopefully Rotel has learned and improved this on the successor.

[george king]

A question. Given the mutually benefical relation between Rotel and this forum, I was wondering if it would be possible for Andrew to get an early 1068 and post his impressions on the board. Naturally this would occur after CES, but hopefully before the offical release.

That way we would get an idea of its performance, and there would be some advanced buzz on the unit, as it performed in the real world, and not just in a reviewer's system.

[aud19]

I've tried not to make many, if any comments in the few variations of the "new Rotel products" threads kicking around as I don't like to comment and speculate on things that I don't have concrete info on much if I can help it. However, there are a few things here that I can't help but to post my personal opinions on.

Most new products are evolutionary, not revolutionary, from any manufacturer. Once in a while one product here or there bucks that trend but it's far from the norm. So to expect the 1066's replacement to be some uber-processor especially at about the same price as most major manufacturers mid-level receivers is more than a little silly. Rotel has and hopefully IMO we'll continue to work on getting the sound right first and features secondary. I'm not saying they lack features necessarily, my 1066 does everything I expect it to. It has all the right processing capabilities and they've been awesome with software upgrades. If you want all the latest features etc above sound quality there are lot's of companies out there and be prepared to spend a LOT more money to get everything, especially if you want as good or better sound. I for one prefer Rotel's view of things like firewire, DVI and HDMI etc. If they used DVI everyone would complain when HDMI becomes standard etc. I'm glad they want to make sure a technology is going to both work and stick around before they waste money (raising the cost of the product to you) putting it in their products. Also, even when a company say's "future-proof", this can't possibly mean forever. I'm sure Rotel will upgrade the 1066 as much as it's hardware will allow, their track record here proves that. There is a limit though. You can't expect them, in say 10 years when possibly a 10.1 sound format comes out, to update the 1066. That doesn't mean that after the 1068 has been out for a while and they have some company resorces available, they've sold some of the new 1068's, and if the 1066's chips are even capable of doing DPL IIx that they won't do another software upgrade. It's meant to extend the life of the product. Just don't expect it to be infinite. Again, silly.

Headphone jack - Rotel's view and I think most will agree is that it degrades the sound of the component and adds cost. If it's that big of a deal, buy a headphone amp, as stated above, they're cheap.

As for their DVD players... I understand the lack of DVI as stated above but the lack of SACD in at least their top player is a little confusing. They could do some catching up here.

Jason




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[Tha Freak]

but will the option for PL2x will be available with a firmware upgrade in my RSX-1055?

because that seems the only difference between the two units?




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