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  • DrJRapp
    Super Senior Member
    • Apr 2003
    • 1204

    #1

    Decisions......decisions

    For those of you who haven't been following my auditions of a Parasound Halo A21 vs a RB 1080 over at Club Parasound, I'll repeat my conlusions here:

    Well we all knew it had to come down to a decision point sooner or later. And here I sit trying to decide which amp goes up on Audiogon. Here is my analysis in my room with my speakers and my processor and my cd player. Understand that you may have different results with your system.

    Cosmetics and build quality: The exterior casework on the Halo is definitely superior until one gets to the back panel where the A21 is a bit of a letdown in the utter cheapness of the speaker connectors switches and knobs. Under the hood is about equal in terms of wiring cleanliness and routing. I’m not qualified to comment on the quality of components; I just wouldn’t know the difference between one Chinese resistor and another. My Conclusion: advantage Halo.

    Listening: I just about listened to my entire CD collection during this past week. I’ve been favorably impressed with the A21 for it’s warmth and huge sound stage. At the same time that huge sound stage tended to make some of my program material lack intimacy. The real test came with some classical piano music. We have a high quality baby grand piano sitting within sight of the audio equipment, and therefore operating in the same acoustical environment. The Rotel repeatedly and consistently sounded more like the real piano in terms of clarity and timbre and resolution. The same passages when played over the A21 sounded more like a recording, they just lacked a certain something that made the music ...well musical. The A21 sounded really great on most material and so-so on a small bit, where the Rotel was more consistent. My Conclusion: advantage Rotel.

    Bang for the Buck: the value part of the equation is always a factor. My Conclusion: advantage Rotel.

    There you have it folks. Both are definitely great amps and while the Halo represents a change in my system it is definitely not an upgrade over Rotel, so the RB 1080 is the keeper.
    Jerry Rappaport
  • thyname
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 358

    #2
    Great to hear that Jerry. I always read your posts and value your opinions. At least I would not have some "Halo" thoughts for now.

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    • Aussie Geoff
      Super Senior Member
      • Oct 2003
      • 1914

      #3
      Originally posted by DrJRapp
      For those of you who haven't been following my auditions of a Parasound Halo A21 vs a RB 1080 over at Club Parasound, I'll repeat my conlusions here:
      Jerry,

      I don't see this posted in Club Parasound - so you may want to repeat this there? They could be left with the impression that you have decided the A21 is for you???

      Geoff

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      • DelRay
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2004
        • 369

        #4
        I've also been reading the Halo/Rotel thread. I would imagine this to be a tough decision. Cost being the deciding factor possibly. The RF7's can find the good and bad qualities in amps I would think. Very efficent speakers.

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        • DrJRapp
          Super Senior Member
          • Apr 2003
          • 1204

          #5
          Originally posted by DelRay
          I've also been reading the Halo/Rotel thread. I would imagine this to be a tough decision. Cost being the deciding factor possibly. The RF7's can find the good and bad qualities in amps I would think. Very efficent speakers.
          Cost wasn't the deciding factor, it was sound quality. At the risk of sounding like a snob and putting off some of my less fortunate friends, I can afford any amp I want, including the megabuck ones. However, I don't need to brag about the "labels" on my equipment so I'm not embarrassed by owning Rotel. It's all about performance, not panace.
          Jerry Rappaport

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          • DrJRapp
            Super Senior Member
            • Apr 2003
            • 1204

            #6
            Originally posted by nopat
            It's in there. The A21 did outperform the 1080 on most fronts, but for his preferences and the costs associated with the A21 versus the 1080, it just wasn't as much of an "upgrade" as he would have liked.
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            The A21 did not outperform the 1080 on many fronts. I was being polite to the Halo owners over there who have basically spent twice as much for and amp that didn't outperform the Rotel on any front except warmth, which comes from the hump in the middle of it's frequency response curve, which also gives it it's unvarying overblown soundstage. I think the statement that the Rotel sounded live but the Halo sounded recorded is pretty much wraps it up. I thought using an A21 and A51 in my system, with my speakers would have been a step backwards.
            Jerry Rappaport

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            • tboooe
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2005
              • 657

              #7
              Jerry, no reason to be polite! You should have let us all have it! That would have been funny to see all the Halo people who would take offense.

              Its just so interesting to me how subjective and unpredictiable this hobby of ours is. I thought the A21 was much better to my ears, listening preferences, and system than the 1080. So for me it was worth the extra $$, though I think I am at the inflection point of price vs performance though. I am not sure how much more I will get out of "upgrading" and spending more money. My next big upgrade will be to B&W 803S/D. It should be noted that I was able to get a VERY good deal on a A21. If I had to pay double the price of the 1080 I doubt that I would do it.

              Oh well, good luck in your search. I look forward to reading more of your reviews.

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              • DrJRapp
                Super Senior Member
                • Apr 2003
                • 1204

                #8
                yes, you did get a very good price, however. I would have sold you mine for less. :T

                I did mention that the A21 would make a good combination with speakers that are less critical of mediocre electronics. The B&W's are a case in point. The Klipsch RF7s bring out every strength and weakness in the entire electronics chain.

                One good point worth mentioning is that we all do have different levels of hearing acuity, therefore something may sound much different to my ears that to yours. What I did not mention in my review was that I had five friends here at varying times this past weekend, all of which are either into audio and HT or are musicians. 4 out of the 5 own Klipsch speakers. We did some impromptu blind testing and every one of them chose the Rotel as the more "accurate" sounding amp.
                Jerry Rappaport

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                • gianni
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 524

                  #9
                  DrJRapp,

                  Thanks for sharing your findings. I've been thinking amps lately but have not had much time recently to devote to this. I too was interested in the Halo line as well as others but have spent little time doing any real comparisons.

                  You have confirmed my suspicions -- that getting a noticable improvement over the Rotel amps will not come without a cost and some effort. When I do get the time, I may have to start considering some used gear in a higher price range. Also, it will be interesting to see if the new digitals like the 1077 or the Nuforce digital amps will provide a clear sonic improvement without creating a new set of drawbacks. Looks like a little patience may prove worthwhile as these new models are rolled out and evaluated.

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                  • DrJRapp
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 1204

                    #10
                    Gianni

                    I have a 1077 on order so expect to hear from me soon on it.
                    Jerry Rappaport

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                    • gianni
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 524

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DrJRapp
                      Gianni

                      I have a 1077 on order so expect to hear from me soon on it.
                      DrJRapp,

                      Great! Looking forward to your thoughts on the 1077 and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Have you heard this amp or are you just going to take a chance on it figuring it will be easy to sell if it does not meet your expectations?

                      Has your dealer been able to tell you when this might arrive?

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                      • nopat
                        Junior Member
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 16

                        #12
                        Where did my post go??

                        Jerry, thanks for the clarity. As it was said earlier, there's no need to be polite about these things. I come from an automotive hobbyist background, and you guys are entirely crazier when it comes to comparitive analyses.

                        Old enough to remember the audio store on Belvedere (IIRC) that used to sell "flat" speakers for rediculous prices. Then again, I was over at PC Systems on Exchange Ct. building $4,000 100Mhz Pentium systems... Been a while since I've been back to West Palm.

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                        • ProStereo
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 22

                          #13
                          You'll have to spend much more $$$ to get a litte more than what Rotel gives you, and you may still prefer the sonic sound of Rotel.

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                          • DrJRapp
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 1204

                            #14
                            There really is a lot of empasis put on getting it right by Rotel designers, rather than getting it cheap. Then Rotel has some very clever industrial engineers and far sighted executives that know how to get the cost down. I think people automatically think Rotel is inferior just because it doesn't cost a bundle. Amongst my other hobbies I am a collector of watches. I have several Seiko watches which consistently outperform Rolex that cost many times over what the Seiko does. True, the exterior build quality may not be the same, but it's not sabby either.
                            Jerry Rappaport

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                            • ProStereo
                              Junior Member
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 22

                              #15
                              ....:T
                              Last edited by ProStereo; 01 September 2005, 14:46 Thursday.

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