Rotel 1098 Function knob preference poll

[PiDD]

Please take the time and cast your vote!

Here is the issue. A recent SW upgrade puts a delay in the function knob. This really comes into play when I am labeling inputs.. as five clicks forward only takes me 4 places. (when I move the knob fast)

This really drives me nuts but what do you think?




Here is Mike's response....

Dear Rob,

I contacted the factory with regards to this. The factory advised me that they did add a slight delay to the function knob via software in order to improve accuracy and consistency to the control of the knob. I apologize for the inconvenience in having you update software but I was not aware of this change prior to this.

Best Regards,
Michael Sheehan
B&W / Rotel

[DrJRapp]

Rob

How often is this a problem for you?

[PiDD]

How often is this a problem for you?

Every time I use the function knob. Say I'm on input one and I need to go to five.. thats four clicks... but with a delay in the timing its six or five very slow clicks. Where it really drives me nuts is with naming inputs. Selecting letters is just too slow with the delay... but I dont have to do that too often.

[mjb]

Yes! It drives me nuts too!

.... in order to improve accuracy and consistency...

This is unfortunately not what's happened! Each rotary click, or double click, does not correspond to one cursor movement, it is inconsistent and that's what I find annoying. I think the function knob should follow the volume fast/med/slow menu setting: i.e., fast = 1 click per cursor movement, med = 2 clicks, slow = 3 clicks.

[sprout]

I find it very frustrating, I would describe it best as "seemingly to have a mind of its own" i.e out of touch with the operator :E

sprout

[Azeke]

Seems that nothing has changed, at least for me, however I use my remote 98% of the time. I only use the function knob when I don't have the remote in my hand, go figure.

Regards,

Azeke

[sprout]

Seems that nothing has changed, at least for me, however I use my remote 98% of the time. I only use the function knob when I don't have the remote in my hand, go figure.

Regards,

Azeke

While the little screen is useful, I would have to use binoculars to see some of the changes. Therefore if I have to get up to go closer, I just as well use the front panel, go figure.

sprout

[mjb]

While the little screen is useful, I would have to use binoculars to see some of the changes. Therefore if I have to get up to go closer, I just as well use the front panel, go figure.

sprout

:lol: Something else the 1098 needs is some bigger fonts, especially for volume.

[Mark1Ace1]

:lol: Something else the 1098 needs is some bigger fonts, especially for volume.

Maybe even some coloured ones, with different coloured backgrounds...Be nice to see a some new firmware released soon...Or am I being too optimistic right now...lol

Mark

[Andrew Pratt]

I'm a remote user too so I haven't noticed any change to be honest. I could see why it would be frustrating though

[PiDD]

I use my remote 99% of the time as well. Actually I use my PPC wirelessly with 802.11b! Can you say a 400ft remote range!

But when I'm doing a setup I use the function knob. That is where the frustration starts.... distance, naming inputs .. that kinda stuff.

For those that didnt notice did you upgrade to SW version 2.1.8?

[Slice]

Well, this behaviour strikes me as similar to that of the RR-1050 volume button - maybe the update brought it back in line with the family tradition

[Zzap]

When I use the function knob it feels inaccurate, ie. most of the time it's hard to select the input you want because every minute movement is registered and will make the selection wobble between two different inputs.
The movement I'm talking about is not even a click, it feels more like it's registering your breath.
Sometimes in frustration I roll it all the way around to loose the sensitivity.
I therefore rarely use the function knob.
Hope the upgrade will fix this since the function knob is not used for anything else than input selection.

[sprout]

I use my remote 99% of the time as well. Actually I use my PPC wirelessly with 802.11b! Can you say a 400ft remote range!

But when I'm doing a setup I use the function knob. That is where the frustration starts.... distance, naming inputs .. that kinda stuff.

For those that didnt notice did you upgrade to SW version 2.1.8?

My software revision is 2.1.8

For all those who have polled "not noticed" do you have 2.1.8?

To some this may seem a trivial point but for it is not.
It is very hit and miss for me, one click 9/10 you see it move forward and then leaps back :E

sprout

[PiDD]

It is very hit and miss for me, one click 9/10 you see it move forward and then leaps back

I had that problem as well. I got a new 1098 and that resolved that problem.

With the new software if I turn the function knob slowly it track perfect... but if I speed ip the turn a bit it loses sync. ie one click doesnt equal one movement on the screen.

I hope more people chime in so that there is a case to have the new SW without the newly added delay (sorry to the guys that like it!)

Rob

[Andrew Pratt]

Ok now that I've got mine running again with 2.1.8 I can see what you mean. It is slow to react esp when you're entering in input names.

[PiDD]

I would say that this behavior is not right. I agree it doesnt effect my day-to-day operation but I would like to see a fix. Any chance we can make Rotel aware and have it added to the next SW update?

Oh yeah I need another feature... Breathalyzer that controls the volume! Funny how the volume rises at a party with the amount of booze you drink!!

Rob

[dermie999]

Rob,

There is a function for that - it is called the local constabulary

[PiDD]

Anyway of talking to Rotel Andrew? It would be nice if they made it optional.

[martino]

just relax!

when turning the function knob .....just relax and go slow..you only have to go 3-5 clicks either way...and 10 seconds!, mostly..I chalk it up to the precision of the componant.

Martino

[PiDD]

:roll: Drive your car 20mph to work tomorrow... see how relaxing it is!

[sprout]

when turning the function knob .....just relax and go slow..you only have to go 3-5 clicks either way...and 10 seconds!, mostly..I chalk it up to the precision of the componant.

Martino

but you are still rushing your spelling ops:

[mjb]

I chalk it up to the precision of the componant.

If the "precision of the component" had anything to do with it, it would as least be consistent :W

[booktrunk]

Just to be annoying

The question is driving me crazy!!

Do you like the delay in the knob?

Yes, It drives me crazy
No, I like it.

Shouldn't that be the other way around?

Do you like the delay in the knob... yes.. then you like it. No and you don't like the delay

Runs away to hide now

Steph

[PiDD]

Doh, you are right that does read wrong! ops:

[PiDD]

Well bad news...

Hi Rob,

I suggested this, however I do not think it is likely it will be changed back I'm afraid.

Best Regards,
Michael Sheehan
B&W / Rotel

[mjb]

Hi Rob,

I suggested this, however I do not think it is likely it will be changed back I'm afraid.

Best Regards,
Michael Sheehan
B&W / Rotel

Why? Whats the reasoning behind this, is it a feature now? :M

[PiDD]

I'm not sure what the reason is behind it. It really puts a bad light on Rotel for me. I have had so many problems with the 1098 that Im at the point of disbelief and now I just shrug my sholders and say whatever. This comes at good timing tho .. my retailer was showing me a Cary pre that looked pretty good... and he has no problem with taking the Rotel gear back. The Anthem I listened today wasnt too bad either....

Rob

[sprout]

My software revision is 2.1.8

For all those who have polled "not noticed" do you have 2.1.8?

To some this may seem a trivial point but for it is not.
It is very hit and miss for me, one click 9/10 you see it move forward and then leaps back :E

sprout

I think the poll has not helped unfortunately, as it was never clear as to which software revision was causing the problem :E
The nine people that say they noticed nothing, what version are they using? no one even knows :E
The people who said it did not bother them, have they actually got the problem to start with?

As can be sen from above I mentioned it is was 2.18 some time ago, but no comment was made.

In my opinionion Rotel should set 10 people the challenge of changing some settings as quickly as possible, providing they don't own the kt there will be nothing but laughter, but fir us that do own the kit, it is nothing but damn frustrating :M

sprout

[PiDD]

I agree! The problem is really tarnishing the Rotel name with me. The lack of support by Rotel is telling me another story... they dont care if we dont like it.

I moved back to the old software for a month to test but after that I put in the newest release again. I like the new functions of the SW but that damn delay just drives me crazy.

For those that havent upgraded try the latest and then comment please.

thanks
Rob

[mjb]

PiDD, I agree with you entirely - I simply can't understand why Rotel is reluctant to fix their software 'tweak', its tarnishing the Rotel name with me too. Everytime I use the function knob, I grind my teeth. AFAIC Rotel introduced a 'bug' (not a feature) in 2.1.8, and they should fix it. I'm also a bit disappointed by this poll: only 18 respondents, and 11 don't seem to know what we're talking about.

[Kevin D]

Mine wasn't slow, I put 2.1.8 on and now it's slow. I noticed, but unfortunately I don't really care one way or the other.

For some reason, more people must have camplained about the old way and now the new way is it. Same thing when they changed the way mute worked. Really, are you guys playing Nintendo on the pre-amp or what? Is it that much of an everyday annoyance that we have to have a useless poll??

Kevin D.

[sprout]

Is it that much of an everyday annoyance that we have to have a useless poll??

Kevin D.

So if you don't care, don't comment

Also respect others views

sprout

[PiDD]

Kevin,

Did you name your inputs? If you did then you have the patience of the gods and I bow to you sir! ;x(

This is not a daily occurrance but input selection is. Bottom line is for the price and quality Rotel is known for it should work properly and the suck it up mentality isnt really called for. Kevin I'm glad you are happy with your Rotel .. I want to be happy with mine.

For those of us that do care I would like the delay removed so it works properly. I'm glad you dont care either way .. it's like a vote for us .. thx.

... and it's Xbox dood comon! :W

Rob

[Kevin D]

I was mainly replying to 'mjb's comment that most people don't seem to know what everyone's talking about and that the poll is disappointing.

And for Sprout, I didn't comment for a whole month! This thread just keeps jumping back to the top from the four people that have a serious issue with it. Everytime with pretty much the same gist, "I can't believe that no one else notices this, is everyone sure they're at 2.1.8, how can you live with this?, why is no one using the poll???"

So I finally relented and let everyone know why I haven't used the poll or commented in the thread. And it's probably the same reason no one else comments; we just have better things to be pissed about.

Kevin D.

[PiDD]

thx for the bump!

[sprout]

Oh dear oh dear LOL