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  • yukon.denali
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 9

    #1

    My Rotel problems

    Folks,

    I have recently purchased a Rotel and B&W system and have been having problems with the Rotel RB-1080 power amp. The RB-1080 keeps blowing fuses.

    My system consists of
    o B&W 703
    o Rotel RC-1090 pre-amp
    o Rotel RB-1080 power-amp.

    After I took the brand new system home, within ten days, the left channel of the RB-1080 went down. And the next day, so did the right channel.

    I took the power-amp to the dealer and they replaced the internal fuses for me. When I took the amp back home that night, the main circuit fuse (the one accessible from the back panel) blew and I could not find a replacement. So I called Rotel in MA. They finally agreed to replace a new amp for me with the 8A-fuse upgrade.

    I waited for about a month for the amp to be shipped to my dealer. When I took it back home, guess what, within ten days, the left channel went down AGAIN. I was really mad!!!

    So I call Rotel again. This time, they are blaming the RC-1090 pre-amp. Since I am using the XLR connections between the pre-amp and amp, they told me that I need to do a upgrade on the RC-1090. Otherwise, the RC-1090 could blow the power amp. I just CANNOT believe this. Have you guys here heard about this?

    Currently, I begin to think about giving up Rotel, at least the pre-amp and power amp I have. However, finding replacements at this price range is difficult. The dealer suggested two systems yesterday:
    o Krell KAV-400xi integrated amp
    o Cary Audio design SLI-80, which is a tube integrated amp.

    I took them home yesterday. We do not quite like the Krell. The Cary audio sounds good, but I am not sure I am ready for tube amp at this point. The cary audio one costs $3000, which is also a big jump in price.

    I am also looking at the Rotel stereo integrated amp, the RA-1070. What do you guys think to use that to driver B&W 703? Please DO let me know your comments

    Also, if you can suggest me something at $2000 price range, I would really appreciate it.

    Thanks,
    -Yukon
  • Stevebez
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2003
    • 458

    #2
    Get them to sort out the 1080 - there is a capacitor and a resistor upgrade that needs to be done as well as the fuses , but if its a new unit they should replace it with a unit that has this mod already on board...

    I can't believe its the preamp ......

    Stick with it and get them to sort the 1080 - I had mine for a year now ... been through the fuse thing (although have not needed the hardware upgrade) and its very sweet.

    Just for info are u using 12v trigger to start up the 1080 ?

    Rgds Steve.

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    • miner
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2005
      • 900

      #3
      If you are seriously considring the RA-1070 ($1200) take a look at the RC-1070 pre ($500) and RB-1070 amp ($700). I have had both now for 2 months wihtout a problem and am very satisfied with the quality. The pre has an outstanding phono stage if you are into vinyl.

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      • Azeke
        Super Senior Member
        • Mar 2003
        • 2123

        #4
        Yes, I have experienced you issue as well (blown 4xs). Needless to say I have disconnected my 1080 from the 12v trigger (with the 8a fuse upgrade installed), and I have not experienced any further problems (keeping my fingers and toes crossed). However, I have spoken to Rotel and I am sending my 1080 in for the modifications, just not now (vacation starts in August).

        Hope this helps,

        Azeke

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        • yukon.denali
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2004
          • 9

          #5
          Thanks Guys!

          Steve, I am not using the 12V trigger.

          Miner, r u using the RC-1070 and RB-1070 to driver B&W 703?

          Thanks,
          -Yukon

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          • DJDREW
            Member
            • Dec 2004
            • 43

            #6
            I have heard of this balanced issue before, not sure what it is but, if Rotel suggest it why not listen to them?
            Rotel For Life :T

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            • benny
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2005
              • 112

              #7
              You have to upgrade the brand new 1090 to use the XLR feature that it came equipped with? I can't believe that either.

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              • DJDREW
                Member
                • Dec 2004
                • 43

                #8
                Originally posted by benny
                You have to upgrade the brand new 1090 to use the XLR feature that it came equipped with? I can't believe that either.
                May not an upgrade but a modification perhaps. Plus it is under warranty just get it done, what does he have to loose?
                Rotel For Life :T

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                • miner
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 900

                  #9
                  Originally posted by yukon.denali
                  Thanks Guys!

                  Steve, I am not using the 12V trigger.

                  Miner, r u using the RC-1070 and RB-1070 to driver B&W 703?

                  Thanks,
                  -Yukon
                  Yukon,
                  I am using my amp & pre to drive B&W N804 - no problem at all and it sounds delightful. Still breaking the speakers in though. The 130W/ch is a very conservative rating. Word of caution though, the amp only has one set of bninding posts.

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                  • benny
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 112

                    #10
                    DJDREW- I agree 100% :T I just thought it was a bit stinky that he'll have to mod a unit that was purchased off the shelf 10 days ago. Add in the downtime while the unit is being worked on, which could take almost a month.

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                    • yukon.denali
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 9

                      #11
                      Thanks for all your inputs.

                      DJDREW, I think it's just very hard for me to accept that a brand new RC-1090 needs a modification or upgrade right after purchase. Rotel should not let this kind of product slip out of the door. BTW, Rotel said that they are discontinuing the RC-1090 so they cannot provide me a replacement.

                      Secondly, I don't think Rotel understood the problem well. When my RB-1080 went down, the dealer provided me a Rotel multi-channel power-amp (RMB-1095 if I remembered correctly) while I was waiting for the RB-1080 replacement. I was using XLR connection as well and there was no problem for one month. Plus, there are people on this forum who are using RC-1070 + RB-1080 combination also have this RB-1080 blowing fuse problem. All these indicate that this is a problem with the RB-1080 itself.

                      Thanks,
                      -Yukon

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                      • Mitchell
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 202

                        #12
                        Yukon,
                        Check out some of the posts on the 1080 subject. There is an upgrade and some info on it.
                        Mine was upgraded in October after blowing and its been fine since and really is sounding teriffic.
                        I think its kind of lame as well that their products have so many initial defects but the 1080 fix seems to work fine. Mine is 6 months. The guys at Rotel said that the cap upgrade seems to fix it 100%.
                        Hope this is helpful.
                        Mitchell

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                        • yukon.denali
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 9

                          #13
                          Mitchell,

                          My unit have already been upgraded and it blew again. Rotel does sound great! No problem there. But this thing is just so fragile ...

                          Thanks anyway,
                          -Yukon

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                          • TMHobbies
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 8

                            #14
                            My Rotel problems

                            Sounds like you might have a bad interconnedt grounding out from time to time. It happened to me and it was a hard one to find. I found the bad one going from the pre to the amp.
                            Doug

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                            • shep
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 105

                              #15
                              I am using the RB-1070 and RC-1070 with B&W804N. Never had any problems with the 1070, although I have read here and elsewhere about problems with the RB-1080. Get the mod while its under warranty and then see how it goes. It is a great amp, and if they can solve the problem, you won't regret it.

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                              • lars
                                Member
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 49

                                #16
                                Originally posted by TMHobbies
                                Sounds like you might have a bad interconnedt grounding out from time to time. It happened to me and it was a hard one to find. I found the bad one going from the pre to the amp.
                                Doug
                                Do fuses have some benefit over circuit breakers? Would think using a self-reset

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                                • TMHobbies
                                  Junior Member
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 8

                                  #17
                                  The fuses used in the Rotel equipment will react faster because of the fuse design then circuit breakers that I know of.
                                  There are many types of fuses that will react slower but not offer the same protection of a quick blow fuses used in Rotel equipment.
                                  Doug

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