What surround will match my 803D and HTM2D

[nikos]

A pair of 803D's ofcourse....or even better 802D and moving the 803D to the back...

ok back to reality...and a very small budget.

I've held out on buying surrounds as I had already spent way more than I could afford to get to this point...

Will a CM5 do the trick? or even a 685? I'm more interested in the surround for movie watching.

I was trying to find a used 805N pair but dont want to spend more than 1k at this point. If i could get a rosenut pair for 1k i'd probably buy it.

Your input is appreciated.

Nikos

[baranowski]

wow... I would love to have your front sound stage. If I were in you situation I would either 1) save up for the matching diamond 805 or get a good used pair of the older 700 series or cdm series and then save up for the diamonds. I am running the older cdm1's and they sound great. but for some reason the cdm1's are going up in price.

[PewterTA]

Any of them will match almost perfectly!! I have my old DM602s3 as surrounds and they actually sound even better with the 802Di and HTM2Di covering the front duties. It really is almost a seemless transition. Though I did modify my 602s and I think that really helped them sound closer.

[PewterTA]

Any of them will match almost perfectly!! I have my old DM602s3 as surrounds and they actually sound even better with the 802Di and HTM2Di covering the front duties. It really is almost a seemless transition. Though I did modify my 602s and I think that really helped them sound closer.

[leo2498]

A pair of 803D's ofcourse....or even better 802D and moving the 803D to the back...

ok back to reality...and a very small budget.

I've held out on buying surrounds as I had already spent way more than I could afford to get to this point...

Will a CM5 do the trick? or even a 685? I'm more interested in the surround for movie watching.

I was trying to find a used 805N pair but dont want to spend more than 1k at this point. If i could get a rosenut pair for 1k i'd probably buy it.

Your input is appreciated.

Nikos

I think your answer will be what you prefer music or movie if you like to see movies a lot, you would save for the 805d, you have a very good classe electronic that it will match astonish with the 805's. In my case I went for them and this was a huge mistake because I'm a music lover and now I need this money for a classe stereo combo(CP800+CA2300), rookie mistake I guess. if you are a movie lover my advise is wait for a good second hand 805di you will not regret about it.


Leo,
Saludos
My HT: B&W 804D fronts, HTM4D center, 805D rears, Rotel RB1582 Main amp, pre Denon AVR 3310, Source Oppo BDP-95 screen Samsung 55" ue55d8000
Stereo: B&W 804S fronts, Pre: Yamaha AVR 663, Source Marantz CD5004.

[nikos]

Thanks for the heads up....

Update your avatar if you have Di's

What did you update in the 602s? Was it the inside wiring mod that I read a while back...or something else?

I'm still interested to see if anyone has heared or used the CM with the 803D ...

I might just get a 685 pair to carry me over while I save up some money for a Diamond rear..


N

[nikos]

I think your answer will be what you prefer music or movie if you like to see movies a lot, you would save for the 805d, you have a very good classe electronic that it will match astonish with the 805's. In my case I went for them and this was a huge mistake because I'm a music lover and now I need this money for a classe stereo combo(CP800+CA2300), rookie mistake I guess. if you are a movie lover my advise is wait for a good second hand 805di you will not regret about it.

I disagree ...

I would think Movie watching is more forgiving as the surrounds are just there for special effects...

Where as music you need a perfect match to get the best result.

That is why i'm considering a compromise with a lesser speaker as I mainly find myself watching movies. Its a shame...as I find myself listening to music mostly in the car or on my pc system in the bedroom and not enjoying the system for music also.

[leo2498]

Its a shame...as I find myself listening to music mostly in the car or on my pc system in the bedroom and not enjoying the system for music also.

well Nikos for music concert and movies all is about special effects from the rears speaker so it's a personal choice if you want the best speaker for that job. For my personal experience I will prefer match the diamond with a set up like yours, but in my case I need to upgrade the electronics firts and my budget is narrow now.

why are you preffer listen music in your bed room or car?


Leo,
Saludos
My HT: B&W 804D fronts, HTM4D center, 805D rears, Rotel RB1582 Main amp, pre Denon AVR 3310, Source Oppo BDP-95 screen Samsung 55" ue55d8000
Stereo: B&W 804S fronts, Pre: Yamaha AVR 663, Source Marantz CD5004.

[PewterTA]

Nikos, yes, just upgraded the wiring and soldered all the connections... that made a very nice improvement in the 602s.

[Marco Lisi]

Hi Nikos

Very nice system you have there 8)
Your fronts are exceptional and work very well together.

In the end the best solution would be to use the same surround speakers.
The ultimate solution of course would be to use 5x, 7x, x... the same loudspeaker. Financial or practical wise this will not always work 8O

I think that having any good 3-way surround sound (even second hand) would temporarily help you out. In the long run I would save up the money for 803Di's.

John Dibb from B&W once told me that you best use the same system all around. In your case that is a 3-way system. Mixing up 3-way en 2-way systems (for ex. 805Di as rears) will sound different.

To think that your rear speakers will only do surround sounds is not correct.
The key lies in balancing your system. Evening out the power of your system / speakers will increase the overall dynamic footprint and thus the overall film experience...

Kind regards

[Skyblue]

Ideally you would wan't all identical speakers, but I went with the "best fronts, nevermind the rears" strategy, and even in multichannel it sounds great.

My advice would be to get any old used 800 or 700 series b&w and then if you really really want, save up for matching rears. Personally, I would upgrade the fronts first.

[nikos]

Personally, I would upgrade the fronts first.

(sarcasm) I love it when you create a thread asking what to buy as a small budget compromise solution, put a 1k ceiling.....and you're suggested...that your 803D's are not good enough...and you should be replacing those....


N

[nikos]

why are you preffer listen music in your bed room or car?

Leo,

Leo, its not that i prefer to listen there....it just happens to be the places i find myself spending time listening to music these days. thats why i said its a shame i'm not spending more time enjoying my systems music playing abilities.

N

[nikos]

Hi Nikos

John Dibb from B&W once told me that you best use the same system all around. In your case that is a 3-way system. Mixing up 3-way en 2-way systems (for ex. 805Di as rears) will sound different.

Marco, thank you!

the above comment is what i'm keeping ...

I guess I should focus into sourcing a 3 way system... used 800,700 series ...

to put a spin on to this... what other manufacturers have the closest mid highs sonic match to the b&w 800diamond series...not D2.

Thanks

[Skyblue]

(sarcasm) I love it when you create a thread asking what to buy as a small budget compromise solution, put a 1k ceiling.....and you're suggested...that your 803D's are not good enough...and you should be replacing those....


N

Hmm sorry. A bit tired here.

If the budget is 1k, then even moreso I would recommend getting something simple for rears. It really doesn't matter all that much in my opinion. I would any day save my money for the fronts.

Now 803s and a htm2 are great, so you're set. Just get some used 805s or something and you should be just fine. My 805S works fine with my 800 di's. Probably not as good as real 800 or 803s even, but good enough that I get the atmospheric effect and that my multichannel sacd's sounds fabulous.

[leo2498]

Marco, thank you!

the above comment is what i'm keeping ...

I guess I should focus into sourcing a 3 way system... used 800,700 series ...

to put a spin on to this... what other manufacturers have the closest mid highs sonic match to the b&w 800diamond series...not D2.

Thanks

Hi Nikos, if you budget is 1k usd I'm thinking that neither 700 or 800 you could get in this budget, a 804S o N you can get about 3000 usd and this is the cheaper one, so you have two choices one increase your budget or two get somethin in a lower line(600 or CM series).

BTW I had the 804S like my rear for some time and I preferred the 805Di in my HT system because with a 5 channel content for my the sound was more consistent. This test was did in a very small room.

[stuofsci02]

Let me jump in on this thread too...

I have used my CM7 for rears with my 804s system, and it was plenty good enough for movies..

With the exception of horizontal center channels, I really feel you can have a great movie experience with lesser quality speakers.

If I was doing movies only, I would probably go with a CM series setup..

Cheers..

[nikos]

I'm reviving this thread as I still do not have a solution and I'm using some cheapo 3-way that is not satisfying to say the least as a temp solution...that reminds me of a Greek saying...in free translation.... Nothing more permanent than the temporary

My budget is a little increased.

Any of you use HTM series for surrounds? What are your thoughts of using center channels for surrround?

In my room the couch is in the middle of the room (kinda) and the back/surround speakers in the 5.1 system are either going to be on stands and kinda in the way or towers (also kinda in the way) but sacrifices I'm willling to make...

I'm shortly adding a second JL Audio Sub...and I'm excited about that.

[madmac]

I'm reviving this thread as I still do not have a solution and I'm using some cheapo 3-way that is not satisfying to say the least as a temp solution...that reminds me of a Greek saying...in free translation.... Nothing more permanent than the temporary

My budget is a little increased.

Any of you use HTM series for surrounds? What are your thoughts of using center channels for surrround?

In my room the couch is in the middle of the room (kinda) and the back/surround speakers in the 5.1 system are either going to be on stands and kinda in the way or towers (also kinda in the way) but sacrifices I'm willling to make...

I'm shortly adding a second JL Audio Sub...and I'm excited about that.

There is no problem using center channel speakers for surrounds. The center speaker however, is the most important speaker in a surround system. Buy the best and biggest that you can afford. Also, try to buy one that uses the same drivers and is of the same series as your mains. I've been using center channel speakers for my surrounds with no problems for years. As a matter of fact, they are the same model as my center channel so the sound is seamless across the board.

[Blindamood]

I know where you can get a fantastic pair of B&W SCMS surrounds, but they're in Cherry finish. Check out the Pawn Shop thread. :W

[style]

the nost important is your front end: the 803d & Htm2d are perfect.

For me (and I had a 802d-htm2d rear 803d) dont make sense invest a lot of money in s rear like a 805D!!!! a pair of cm5 give you a lot of pleasure.

the rear in a movie from 90min. work at 50% for ...10minutes!!!! if is a good action movie maybe 20min. but not more.... a copy of 805D or 804D only to listen a boom?!?! no thanks.

with some bluray music concert have more sense but not the 5-8k. $$$$ request from the dealer.

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[Rod#S]

It depends, for movies I agree that the surrounds don't recieve anywhere near the amout of content as the front 3 channels and even the LFE channel so it can be hard to justify spending large sums of money on them. For music it's an entirely different story especially with matrix processing even more so than actual discrete 5.1/7/1 content as the surrounds with matrix procesing are almost constantly receiving a signal (for Logic 7 anyways) and because of this differences in speakers can be easily distinguished at least to my ears and it makes good sense to treat the surrounds with a higher level of respect and put more money into them.

But, to the original posters questions, sure either of the speakers he suggested will work fine and are within his budget and as he pointed out his focus is on movies so I don't see a need to be as picky compared to if he was more into surround music.

[madmac]

[QUOTE=Rod#S;571813]It depends, for movies I agree that the surrounds don't recieve anywhere near the amout of content as the front 3 channels and even the LFE channel so it can be hard to justify spending large sums of money on them. For music it's an entirely different story especially with matrix processing even more so than actual discrete 5.1/7/1 content as the surrounds with matrix procesing are almost constantly receiving a signal (for Logic 7 anyways) and because of this differences in speakers can be easily distinguished at least to my ears and it makes good sense to treat the surrounds with a higher level of respect and put more money into them.

But, to the original posters questions, sure either of the speakers he suggested will work fine and are within his budget and as he pointed out his focus is on movies so I don't see a need to be as picky compared to if he was more into surround music.[/QUOTE

Exactly!!. If you listen to 5 channel music, then I find it very important to use the same series speakers with the same drivers as the mains.

[emig5m]

Leo, its not that i prefer to listen there....it just happens to be the places i find myself spending time listening to music these days. thats why i said its a shame i'm not spending more time enjoying my systems music playing abilities.

N

^I'm in the same boat with you there. I mainly use my system for movies and games anymore and find myself either listening to music in the car or while at the computer with headphones. I happen to use 685's for rears with 804S/HTM3S up front and find they match very good for surround sound in movies and games, especially after Audyssey or other room correction. I might be lucky because the 685 has a spin-off of the similar aluminum tweeter as the S series, but the 685 is a very good performer in their own right. Personally I'd pickup a set of 685's for a interim solution and then possibly save up for 805Di's later. You might actually wind up being happy with the 685's. I've never once felt that they held back the performance of my system is movies or games even though I've always wanted to find a set of 805S's locally to replace them with.

[style]

well the point is: you need 5 speaker to listen music? Hey man, your system don't work fine!!!!!

I had a 5.1 system, now with a 2 channel I have more enjoy to listen tracks!!! A good 2 system sound better IHMO vs. 5 channel!! the sensation that a 2 channel give you is very different.

of course is my opinion.
Match with 803d & HTM2D? another D speaker. a 805 or 804.

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