Htm1d

[BWLover]

why oh why was it discontinued

[ninja12]

why oh why was it discontinued

Good question. I really don't know why. My guess is that they were not selling to many of them; but, I am glad I got mine before they were discontinued them. I did have a HTM2D which was ok; but, the HTM1D ;x( ;x( ;x(

[stuofsci02]

To my knowledge you can still get this if you ask B&W really really nice...

[Race Car Driver]

Because it was nearly the price of a pair of HTM2Ds.

I enjoy mine though! 2nd hand market for me though! Save that 50%+ if you can!

[style]

Because was not an interesting product for B & W!!

for the consumer, the HT fan (but consumers not entry leve was/is? interesting)

like wrote Race Car Driver: the price was nearly the price of a pair of HTM2Ds.
well, B&W sell not every day a htm1d and make the "upgrade" to the new Diamond line was not a $$$$ interesting for B&W.

We dont have the 801d too: for the same reason!

style

[Rod#S]

To my knowledge you can still get this if you ask B&W really really nice...

Do you happen to know how much B&W charge for a special order HTM1D (I'm assuming it would be a Di now and not a D)? Is it more than the HTM1D was when it was being produced? The price of that always amazed me, it was more than a single 802D, wasn't it like the same price as a single 801D or 800D?

[stuofsci02]

Do you happen to know how much B&W charge for a special order HTM1D (I'm assuming it would be a Di now and not a D)? Is it more than the HTM1D was when it was being produced? The price of that always amazed me, it was more than a single 802D, wasn't it like the same price as a single 801D or 800D?

I have no idea on price.. And yes I do believe it would be an HTM1Di..

[jericho]

Go for it, it's really a super center speaker!

[ninja12]

Go for it, it's really a super center speaker!

+1. Yes, it truly is.

[dan87951]

Price was laughable...

No doubt a great speaker but priced way to high for the market. I have seen them used for as low as 4k, I believe they were 9k new.

[ray5]

Price was laughable...

No doubt a great speaker but priced way to high for the market. I have seen them used for as low as 4k, I believe they were 9k new.

What is the price?

[Rod#S]

I have no idea on price.. And yes I do believe it would be an HTM1Di..

Was this directed at me? If so I would love to but I did a little digging to try and find the price in Canada of the speaker when it was in production and it was like $11,000. Waaaay to much for me especially considering if B&W do still offer it as a special order you know they are going to charge extra for that so I would think the price would be closer to a pair of 802Di's.
I'm sure I will be happy with my HTM2Di which has just arrived and is sitting at my dealers waiting for me to pick it up.

[stuofsci02]

Was this directed at me? If so I would love to but I did a little digging to try and find the price in Canada of the speaker when it was in production and it was like $11,000. Waaaay to much for me especially considering if B&W do still offer it as a special order you know they are going to charge extra for that so I would think the price would be closer to a pair of 802Di's.
I'm sure I will be happy with my HTM2Di which has just arrived and is sitting at my dealers waiting for me to pick it up.

It was.... Goodluck with the HTM2Di.. Very nice speaker..

[dukester]

Was this directed at me? If so I would love to but I did a little digging to try and find the price in Canada of the speaker when it was in production and it was like $11,000. Waaaay to much for me especially considering if B&W do still offer it as a special order you know they are going to charge extra for that so I would think the price would be closer to a pair of 802Di's.
I'm sure I will be happy with my HTM2Di which has just arrived and is sitting at my dealers waiting for me to pick it up.

I think you're going to be very impressed. Congrats!

[Rod#S]

Thanks guys I'm sure I will enjoy it. Hopefully my 802di's will be ordered sooner rather than later.

[Race Car Driver]

Price was laughable...

No doubt a great speaker but priced way to high for the market. I have seen them used for as low as 4k, I believe they were 9k new.

Exactly my thoughts, they were around 9k, and IMO $4,000 for one used is a great price IMO. (if you have the room for one)

Considering the used price of NHTM1, HMT2D, HTM3s, IMO yes, the HTM1D is that much better. It is a BEAST! :T

[Rod#S]

I had my HTM2Di delivered over the weekend so I am now a member of the B&W 800 family. Pictures really don't tell the whole story as I was not able to see or hear it prior to the purchase, it's one striking speaker in person and of course sounds excellent and given it's size I would love to have the opportunity some day just to see an actual HTM1D. Based on specs it looks like a HTM2D/HTM2Di could fit inside one and that is just amazing.

[stuofsci02]

Yep.. The HTM1D is huge.. When I first saw it I started laughing... It is about the size of a coffee table.. But man is it nice...

[ninja12]

I had my HTM2Di delivered over the weekend so I am now a member of the B&W 800 family. Pictures really don't tell the whole story as I was not able to see or hear it prior to the purchase, it's one striking speaker in person and of course sounds excellent and given it's size I would love to have the opportunity some day just to see an actual HTM1D. Based on specs it looks like a HTM2D/HTM2Di could fit inside one and that is just amazing.

Maybe this will give you some idea.

General
Model HTM1D
Manufacturer B&W
Release year 2004
Release date Unknown - Please report
Enclosure type Bass reflex (vented)
Radiation pattern Front
Frequency response (+/- 6dB) 32 - 33 Hz
Frequency response (+/- 3dB) 38 - 28 Hz
Power handling RMS 500 W
Recommended amplifier power 120 - 500 W
Nominal impedence 8 Ω
Sensitivity 90 dB
Magnetic shielding Yes
Speaker connectors Binding post
Drivers
Speaker type 3-way
Total number of drivers 5
Woofer 3
Crossover 350 Hz
Crossover 4000 Hz

Wall mountable No
Size (without stand) 97.3 x 58.4 x 57.9 cm (38.3 x 23.0 x 22.8 inches)
Weight (without stand) 93 kg (205.0 lbs)

[Rod#S]

Maybe this will give you some idea.

General
Model HTM1D
Manufacturer B&W
Release year 2004
Release date Unknown - Please report
Enclosure type Bass reflex (vented)
Radiation pattern Front
Frequency response (+/- 6dB) 32 - 33 Hz
Frequency response (+/- 3dB) 38 - 28 Hz
Power handling RMS 500 W
Recommended amplifier power 120 - 500 W
Nominal impedence 8 Ω
Sensitivity 90 dB
Magnetic shielding Yes
Speaker connectors Binding post
Drivers
Speaker type 3-way
Total number of drivers 5
Woofer 3
Crossover 350 Hz
Crossover 4000 Hz

Wall mountable No
Size (without stand) 97.3 x 58.4 x 57.9 cm (38.3 x 23.0 x 22.8 inches)
Weight (without stand) 93 kg (205.0 lbs)

So quite a bit higher and deeper but surprisingly not much wider, only 5" so it's basically the same width as the Paradigm Signature C5. The weight is absolutely crazy, 205.0 lbs, that's almost the weight of the 800Di. Now that's a number that deserves respect :T

[ninja12]

So quite a bit higher and deeper but surprisingly not much wider, only 5" so it's basically the same width as the Paradigm Signature C5. The weight is absolutely crazy, 205.0 lbs, that's almost the weight of the 800Di. Now that's a number that deserves respect :T

Yes, it's definitely not a speaker where you say let me put it here and try it out, and if it doesn't work too well, then I will move it. No, you have to make sure you do your homework up front and lay everything out because once you get it in place, trust me, you will not want to ever move it. Before I picked up my HTM1D, I went to Home Depot and purchased a hand truck. My back thanked me very much for that investment. The speaker alone is 205. It's probably about 230 or a little more when it's packaged. So, for me, it wasn't bad because I had the hand truck and my strong 15 year old son to help me to get it into the house and into position. :T

[Joawen]

Maybe this will give you some idea.

General
Model HTM1D
Manufacturer B&W
Release year 2004
Release date Unknown - Please report
Enclosure type Bass reflex (vented)
Radiation pattern Front
Frequency response (+/- 6dB) 32 - 33 Hz
Frequency response (+/- 3dB) 38 - 28 Hz
Power handling RMS 500 W
Recommended amplifier power 120 - 500 W
Nominal impedence 8 Ω
Sensitivity 90 dB
Magnetic shielding Yes
Speaker connectors Binding post
Drivers
Speaker type 3-way
Total number of drivers 5
Woofer 3
Crossover 350 Hz
Crossover 4000 Hz

Wall mountable No
Size (without stand) 97.3 x 58.4 x 57.9 cm (38.3 x 23.0 x 22.8 inches)
Weight (without stand) 93 kg (205.0 lbs)

I'm quite puzzled about the freq. response I mean - 6dB difference in 1 Hz!?

(not serious, but put the right numbers in - don't hurt)

[ninja12]

I'm quite puzzled about the freq. response I mean - 6dB difference in 1 Hz!?

(not serious, but put the right numbers in - don't hurt)

I pulled out my spec sheet which I got from B&W's website when I was researching the HTM1D.

Frequency Range: -6db at 32Hz and 33kHz
Frequency Response: 38Hz - 28kHz +/-3db on reference axis

[Hammie]

I pulled out my spec sheet which I got from B&W's website when I was researching the HTM1D.

Frequency Range: -6db at 32Hz and 33kHz
Frequency Response: 38Hz - 28kHz +/-3db on reference axis

You forgot the critical kHz on the second number...

[ninja12]

You forgot the critical kHz on the second number...

I see the kHz on both second numbers.

[stuofsci02]

Not on your original post...

[ninja12]

Not on your original post...

Oh. No it wasn't. That was a copy & paste from an online site that had the specs for the HTM1D.

[hifiguymi]

why oh why was it discontinued

It's basically because they didn't sell enough of them to justify keeping it around. If you have a pair of 802s on up, it was the best center to use. It was miles better than the HTM2D and worth every penny of the difference.

Eric

[ninja12]

If you have a pair of 802s on up, it was the best center to use. It was miles better than the HTM2D and worth every penny of the difference.

Eric

+Infinity!!!!!! Man, I can't agree with that statement enough. The HTM2D is a good center channel; but, it doesn't even come close to the HTM1D by any means. Put some juice behind this thing and call it a day. It's definitely a better fit for the 802D than then HTM2D. I could always tell, on the panning scenes, when the sound hit the HTM2D. However, now with the HTM1D, the front sound stage is completely seamless.

[Rod#S]

With the HTM1D having 3 bass drivers, one more than the 802D and the same mid and high frequency drivers as the 802D in the same marlan head configuration, this got be wondering, is the HTM1D a more capable speaker than the 802D?

[ninja12]

With the HTM1D having 3 bass drivers, one more than the 802D and the same mid and high frequency drivers as the 802D in the same marlan head configuration, this got be wondering, is the HTM1D a more capable speaker than the 802D?

Well, it does have to work with the 800D too. So, I guess that's why it has the third woofer. The saying is "it's a 802D turned on its side". I do know that it's definitely a better matching center for the 802D than the HTM2D is. I know that's my opinion, and it's based on my setup. Anyway, when I upgraded from the HTM2D to the HTM1D, I have never regretted the upgrade not for a second. The HTM1D is a straight up beast all the way around.

[Rod#S]

Well, it does have to work with the 800D too. So, I guess that's why it has the third woofer. The saying is "it's a 802D turned on its side". I do know that it's definitely a better matching center for the 802D than the HTM2D is. I know that's my opinion, and it's based on my setup. Anyway, when I upgraded from the HTM2D to the HTM1D, I have never regretted the upgrade not for a second. The HTM1D is a straight up beast all the way around.

Yeah I always found the "...802D turned on it's side" statement a bit odd because it's clearly not with the added woofer. It's obviosuly a better match than the HTM2D because the 2D had 2 7" woofers, not 8" and it obviously lacks the marlan head but you make a good point about it having to work with the 800D and don't forget about the 801D. So with the 801D dropped but the 800Di and 802Di still available it's also odd that B&W dropped a more appropriately matched center unless they consider the 800Di and 802Di speakers more for a stereo environment rather than a home theater environment. Maybe it does just come down to cost vs. sales, since they weren't selling many they were willing to compromise the lineup a bit. I absolutely love my new HTM2Di but the reason I waited for a year after the Di product launch was in hopes the HTM1Di would have been unveiled at CES this year as a back by popular demand item

[stuofsci02]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't one of the woofers on the HTM1D passive? That is its not actually connected to anything, and just uses the air inside the box?

[Rod#S]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't one of the woofers on the HTM1D passive? That is its not actually connected to anything, and just uses the air inside the box?

Now that's interesting, I have never heard that before. If true what would be the design logic for that? Advantages/disadvantages

[stuofsci02]

Now that's interesting, I have never heard that before. If true what would be the design logic for that? Advantages/disadvantages

Here is a little bit about it..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radiator_(speaker)

[Race Car Driver]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't one of the woofers on the HTM1D passive? That is its not actually connected to anything, and just uses the air inside the box?

I don't think that is the case. Passive radiators often "look" quite different than the woofer counterpart. All 3 look the same. That and I have never seen a part number for a passive radiator, only the bass unit and midrange.

I would be more than happy to take apart my HTM1D and snap a few pics. Ive done the same with my NHTM1, HTM2D, ASW855, and N802s.

[Rod#S]

So the HTM1D did not have any ports?? Very interesting, thanks. If the HTM1D is in fact a passive design it would seem the article also explains the extra high cost of the speaker. Which of the 3 woofers is the passive speaker, the center?

[Race Car Driver]

The HTM1D does have ports, just like the HTM2D.

There is no passive radiator in it.

[Rod#S]

The HTM1D does have ports, just like the HTM2D.

There is no passive radiator in it.

Thanks, I just finished Googling and was about to post

[stuofsci02]

Yeah... I looked at the part list for the HTM1D and all bass drivers appear to be the same... I guess I was misinformed..

[Rod#S]

One thing I was going to ask last week but forgot was with the HTM1D being a bigger/heavier speaker than the 802 and the addition of a 3rd bass driver, why did it not have a low frequency extension better than the 802 let alone equal it which it did not, granted it was very close to the 802 i.e 32Hz-33KHz @ -6DB compared to the 802s 27Hz-33KHz and 38Hz-28KHz @ +/-3DB compared to the 802s 34Hz-28KHz

[azazel]

I don't think that is the case. Passive radiators often "look" quite different than the woofer counterpart. All 3 look the same. That and I have never seen a part number for a passive radiator, only the bass unit and midrange.

I would be more than happy to take apart my HTM1D and snap a few pics. Ive done the same with my NHTM1, HTM2D, ASW855, and N802s.

Id be interested in seeing the photos of your NHTM1 please!

[dmccombs]

It's basically because they didn't sell enough of them to justify keeping it around. If you have a pair of 802s on up, it was the best center to use. It was miles better than the HTM2D and worth every penny of the difference.

Eric

Yep, I had the HTM2D and HTM1D centers, and the HTM1D was a much better match for my 802Ds. The HTM1D also sounded great with 801D. Its a big boy but if you have the room you wont be sorry. ;x(

[Gremal]

Yep, I had the HTM2D and HTM1D centers, and the HTM1D was a much better match for my 802Ds. The HTM1D also sounded great with 801D. Its a big boy but if you have the room you wont be sorry. ;x(

Agreed. Best center I've ever heard and perfect match for my 802Ds. It's a bummer to see it discontinued...but I'm set. :T

[scanido]

Currently in the market to replace my trusty HTM3S to "match" better with my 802 Diamonds and was wondering if anyone was able to special order a HTM1 Diamond in Gloss Black?

I'm building a new theater room and love the look of the HTM1D placed on the floor.