Depreciation for upgrade 802 d -> di

[wettou]

Gerardhn seems to have a hard time believing any replies...very X-Files "Trust No One"

No worries, conspiracy theory....:W

[wettou]

Well if you go listne the new 802Di and the 802D ad you don't understand the difference is not easy.....are 2 differente speakers!! from the little 805 to the big 800... is ot only a restyling operation!! I like much more the new B&W sound: I have listen a "old" 802D and the new 803Di: I purchase the new 803Di. :T style

Of course you have, and we are happy for you :B

For those of us who don't have a money tree we are happy with our 802D and will wait until true revolutionary improvements are made rather than marketing ones.....

[gerardhn]

Wettou,

Nobody has a money tree. But we should not let our observation "improved or not" be influenced wether our money tree is full or not.
Yes it is hard to believe for me if I hear people say " I can upgrade for 3 k" , " no my dealer doesnot advice to upgrade" .
Because the upgrade wil cost about 6-7k, and any dealer wants to have that money in their books.
But us usual -in all aspects of daily live- if somebody makes an unbelievable remark...than there is more going on, which is not mentioned.

[beden1]

Wettou,

Nobody has a money tree. But we should not let our observation "improved or not" be influenced wether our money tree is full or not.
Yes it is hard to believe for me if I hear people say " I can upgrade for 3 k" , " no my dealer doesnot advice to upgrade" .
Because the upgrade wil cost about 6-7k, and any dealer wants to have that money in their books.
But us usual -in all aspects of daily live- if somebody makes an unbelievable remark...than there is more going on, which is not mentioned.

Did Confucius say that? :W

[HedgeHog]

Yes it is hard to believe for me if I hear people say " I can upgrade for 3 k" , ....Because the upgrade wil cost about 6-7k, and any dealer wants to have that money in their books.

Don't know why I care but I do....here's what I said in my email to my dealer and his reply:

ME:

Hi Alec,

Just revisiting this. Is the price quote per speaker or the pair for the 802Di? Also, what would the shipping costs be?

Cheers,
Hedwig


DEALER:

Good morning Hedwig,

Sorry cannot get back to you sooner. I was off yesterday.

Price quoted for 802Di is $3,800/pair plus GST and your trade. I will need to check for shipping and insurance.

Regards,

Alec L

Again, my dealer is in Canada...not sure if that makes any difference.

[gerardhn]

Hedge Hoc,

Amazing!. Pls do directly!. What are you hesitating?
Can I immigrate to there? That must be heaven!
Really the promised country as we see in the movies.
Thinking... can I as "old" european do something with that info??

[style]

Of course you have, and we are happy for you

For those of us who don't have a money tree we are happy with our 802D and will wait until true revolutionary improvements are made rather than marketing ones.....

wettou, I dont have a money tree!!!!
sure the 802D sound good: we have listen and always say "the 802D is a great speaker and sound amazing" -> this to the coming of the new diamont serie.
than the "old" serie was only "shit"??? NO.
is only that the new serie sound good, very good. FOR ME is better as the old serie. I pay the $$ to have the new serie: if for you is not enough this improvement from the new B&W speakers to change it is another point.

I like the 802D/di , more as the 800 (too big for a normal room, I dont have a dedicat HT piece), but the 802 are bigger as the 803.
I must choice: or the 802D (demo) or the803Di new. same price: I'm go with the 803Di and I'm satisfait.
that's all: depends on your needs! by their priority.


I agree with gerardhn: in Europa if you change/upgrade from a 802d to a 802Di is much more money as the 3800.-$$.
if you are a luckyman your dealer retires - includes your 802D!

personally I got a discount (good discount :W ), a coupon but the 803D has not been resumed. are still at my home.

or if there is a revival of old material no discount!

Are interested in making your 802d to 40% of the price paid?
not me: I keep at home.

style

[HedgeHog]

Gerard,

Not sure why you need the attitude. You asked what dealers are offering, I provide one real example. Then you go and say you doubt it (basically implying that I made it up and you do not believe it). So I show you the actual wording. Now you act like this? Good luck...I hope your future dealer screws you over so that can make that healthy margin. :T

BTW, I AM still deciding...I have to order the 802Di and HTM2Di to match...further, I would also need to get a new sub in gloss black to make it a set since I currently run a flat black F113.

Enough explanation?

Ciao,
Hedwig

Hedge Hoc,

Amazing!. Pls do directly!. What are you hesitating?
Can I immigrate to there? That must be heaven!
Really the promised country as we see in the movies.
Thinking... can I as "old" european do something with that info??

[vn1]

I don't think it is worth it to move from 802D to 802Di unless it costs very little. Why don't you save more money and then move up to 800Di instead.

[beden1]

I don't think it is worth it to move from 802D to 802Di unless it costs very little. Why don't you save more money and then move up to 800Di instead.

That does make a lot of sense! :T

[gerardhn]

Hedge,

I act as I act because your offer of 3.8 k is truly amazing.
Maybe you dont see it yourself... but with 2 k price increase a net depreciation of 1.8 k is low.
Nobody else is getting that good offer. Style is giving Maybe your offer would be normal if it was per box. But your email shows it is not.
Get it! I'am jaleous.
Gerard.

[gerardhn]

Hedge,

I act as I act because your offer of 3.8 k is truly amazing.
Maybe you dont see it yourself... but with 2 k price increase a net depreciation of 1.8 k is low.
Nobody else is getting that good offer. Style is giving some real business dealer world examples! Maybe your offer would be normal if it was per box. But your email shows it is not.
Get it! I'am jaleous.
Gerard.

[wettou]

I don't think it is worth it to move from 802D to 802Di unless it costs very little. Why don't you save more money and then move up to 800Di instead.

Yes that an great option

[jericho]

Perhaps considering an upgrade of your electronics is a better solution than going from de D series to the Di series!!!

[gerardhn]

Funny way the tread goes.
Instead of getting many upgrade prices ...... i see more people (B&W fans) asking themselves ... shall I do, is it worth it, is it a real upgrade?, buy other electronics with my money..??
There seems no big army infected with the Di upgrade virus.... One would expect that at this forum.. Strange..

[beden1]

Funny way the tread goes.
Instead of getting many upgrade prices ...... i see more people (B&W fans) asking themselves ... shall I do, is it worth it, is it a real upgrade?, buy other electronics with my money..??
There seems no big army infected with the Di upgrade virus.... One would expect that at this forum.. Strange..

I think it may have more to do with the poor economy than with how the new series speakers sound.

I also think people are probably happy with their B&W Diamond Series speakers, and have no great desire to upgrade.

[Birdy]

I think it may have more to do with the poor economy than with how the new series speakers sound.

I also think people are probably happy with their B&W Diamond Series speakers, and have no great desire to upgrade.

There is some truth in there 8)

[Birdy]

Dear users,

To upgrade there are to ways to go.

1. Sell them privately and buy new and ask as much as possible discount.

2. Go to your dealer and ask him what it costs to replace the old ones for new ones.

What do you think is reasonable to pay the dealer for the upgrade 802 d---> di

Given:

old price 12 k, new price 14 k, 4 years old speakers.

Your experience or opinion please.

THx Gerard.

Here in Italy:

Dealer would take back my 3 years 802D for around 6K :E :E :E
Dealer would sell new 802Di for around 12.5k 8O 8O 8O

I will stick with my "old" 802D 8) 8) 8)

[gerardhn]

Birdy,

Now i know you are from italy!
(not so important, but nice to know if somebody is from € or $ area, not visible from yr profile)

so you have to pay 6,5 K

what is your motivation NOT to upgrade?

[Canuck525]

To the guy in B.C. Take that deal before your dealer comes to his senses!!!!

[Birdy]

Birdy,

Now i know you are from italy! Not exactly..... :P , living in Italy, but oorspronkelijk meer buurman van jou!
(not so important, but nice to know if somebody is from € or $ area, not visible from yr profile)

so you have to pay 6,5 K

what is your motivation NOT to upgrade?
Simply not that kind of money available right now for a dubious upgrade.
Remember: I know what I have and I'm quite happy with it, dunno what I could have, never listened to new 802, will most probably not be able to listen inside my own environment to compare and better refrain to listen to them

Birdy

[HedgeHog]

hope links are ok. so, dayum! http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....Di-Diamond-who

-H

[beden1]

Well if you go listne the new 802Di and the 802D ad you don't understand the difference is not easy.....

are 2 differente speakers!! from the little 805 to the big 800... is ot only a restyling operation!!


I like much more the new B&W sound: I have listen a "old" 802D and the new 803Di: I purchase the new 803Di. :T


style

Omar,

I may have the chance to get a decent deal on a pair of either the 805Di or the 804Di, to use in a stereo setup that I'm putting together to primarily listen to LPs.

You mentioned having heard the 805Di and the 804Di speakers, along with your new 803Di speakers. Are the 805Di bass shy, or do you feel they can stand on their own to handle 70's style rock n' roll? Also, can the 804Di really handle the full range of music with ample bass response, and do you think these would do a better job? The specs on the 804Di looks fairly good with a frequency response of 38Hz - 28kHz ±3dB, and sensitivity of 90dB spl (2.83V, 1m).

I really didn't want to spend this kind of money, but I know I'd hate listening to a speaker that has obvious shortcomings. I do not want to go up to the 803Di price range for this system. I also can't add a sub woofer with my pre-amp, so the speakers will have to carry the load by themselves (like the old days).

The basement room has a 7'6" suspended ceiling and wall-to-wall carpeting, with a couch located in front of the entertainment center, and the speakers will have a 7 foot spread.

[style]

Hi Brooks,

well if you will make a new system for listen vinyls = a pure analog stereo setup the 805DI are sure the "small" : they have a great sound this is sure but for a good system and you have your ears at the level from the big system with the 803D, htm2d,2 sub,...big Classe monoblock.... too much different....

I dont know what you go use as ampli, but a good 804DI is sure to listen.
and the room is very important: the 40% of the sound come from your room! if you go with a 803d you can have a bad surprise, with a "boomy effects"...
the new 803di is very different. In my room the 803di make a great job: the LF are very controlled and sound amazing.
if you go with a ampli around the cap2100 from Classe the 804di and a good turntable can be a good surprise but if you go with a 200watt into the 804di wait!! the 803DI is your speaker!
Please let me know what do you go decide...

Omar

[beden1]

Hi Brooks,

well if you will make a new system for listen vinyls = a pure analog stereo setup the 805DI are sure the "small" : they have a great sound this is sure but for a good system and you have your ears at the level from the big system with the 803D, htm2d,2 sub,...big Classe monoblock.... too much different....

I dont know what you go use as ampli, but a good 804DI is sure to listen.
and the room is very important: the 40% of the sound come from your room! if you go with a 803d you can have a bad surprise, with a "boomy effects"...
the new 803di is very different. In my room the 803di make a great job: the LF are very controlled and sound amazing.
if you go with a ampli around the cap2100 from Classe the 804di and a good turntable can be a good surprise but if you go with a 200watt into the 804di wait!! the 803DI is your speaker!
Please let me know what do you go decide...

Omar

I forgot to mention that the listening position on the couch will be 7', so I will have 7'x7'x7'.

I am using a stereo 200 watt amp that doubles to 4ohms. I am currently listening to satellite speakers until I get the new ones. But, even with these small speakers, I am noticing a tendency for bass boom (on a smaller scale of course). Maybe it's the low ceiling, or maybe the amp is providing too much current for the speakers and causing some distortion?

It's tough, because my local B&W dealer only has one set of each for in-store demos, and I'm not able to take any home to see how they sound.

[Skyblue]

I forgot to mention that the listening position on the couch will be 7', so I will have 7'x7'x7'.

I am using a stereo 200 watt amp that doubles to 4ohms. I am currently listening to satellite speakers until I get the new ones. But, even with these small speakers, I am noticing a tendency for bass boom (on a smaller scale of course). Maybe it's the low ceiling, or maybe the amp is providing too much current for the speakers and causing some distortion?

It's tough, because my local B&W dealer only has one set of each for in-store demos, and I'm not able to take any home to see how they sound.

Couldnt you get a couple of 805S for demo instead? I would assume the bass is somewhat similar on those. I have have 805S and they are very nice with bass for their size. But deep base it certainly isnt.

[beden1]

Couldnt you get a couple of 805S for demo instead? I would assume the bass is somewhat similar on those. I have have 805S and they are very nice with bass for their size. But deep base it certainly isnt.

No, unfortunately the dealers sold all of their 800D series speakers. Plus, the new 800 Diamond series apparently has a more open sound.

I like deep bass, but it's not a large space to work with, and I'm afraid that a larger floor model speaker may be too overpowering, and not in a good way. Like producing a muddy boomy sound?

[crytklmass]

I just sold my 802D and HTM2D for $11,000 and I paid $13,500 5 years ago so I think I got a great return on my investment. If you dont believe me, its on Audiogon. Im still trying to sell my ASW855 and spikes for the 800 series. If you can get that good of a deal to upgrade to the 8-2di. I would seriously take it. Most offers were 50% off retail, I still cannot believe I sold them for that price considering they are used and expected depreciation. I don't think you'll get another deal like that.

[style]

I like deep bass, but it's not a large space to work with, and I'm afraid that a larger floor model speaker may be too overpowering, and not in a good way. Like producing a muddy boomy sound?

Brooks,

for me I dont will go whit a to big speaker. now you have already "boomy LF noise" with a 803D i don't go have pleasure with a vinyls setup!
The new B&W serie sound very open vs. the old serie. I have self tested with the "old" 803D and the new 803DI now as front in my system. the different is big!! really. you can be happy whit your 803D in the sistem "top" with the 703 as rear but in a room smaller if you have the possbility to listen a 804DI will surprise you. and in a positiv !!

personaly I think that you go have a to much "heavy sound" and you dont' can go listen your music at a good volume...= to much muddy...

maybe a CM7 or 9 can be a good solution????
Omar

[HedgeHog]

To the guy in B.C. Take that deal before your dealer comes to his senses!!!!

He still hasn't come to his senses so I just ordered them (and w/ the missus' blessings...wth?). Yay for cross-shipping, so I can compare the old 802D w/ the new 802Di...shame my rooms is really not that great (open plan family rooms to kitchen).

*I blame Garak's thread for pushing me over the edge*

Cheers,
-Hedwig

[RebelMan]

Cool. More pics on the way??? :B

Include both those baddies if you can.

[garak]

He still hasn't come to his senses so I just ordered them (and w/ the missus' blessings...wth?). Yay for cross-shipping, so I can compare the old 802D w/ the new 802Di...shame my rooms is really not that great (open plan family rooms to kitchen).

*I blame Garak's thread for pushing me over the edge*

Cheers,
-Hedwig

LOL. Glad I could be of, errr..., help. :B

[gerardhn]

Good news!

I placed the order to update/exchange my 802 D to black 802 Di.
(stimulate UK economy!!)

[htsteve]

Good news!

I placed the order to update/exchange my 802 D to black 802 Di.
(stimulate UK economy!!)

Excellent!

[dukester]

Thats one way to make sure you have a happy new year...congrats!

[HedgeHog]

Good news!

I placed the order to update/exchange my 802 D to black 802 Di.
(stimulate UK economy!!)

Congrats....you'll love it!

[JürgenW]

Hallo,

Can someone tell me how to distinguish a 802D from a 802 Di?
(in case there is one or the other offered second-hand)

[stuofsci02]

Hallo,

Can someone tell me how to distinguish a 802D from a 802 Di?
(in case there is one or the other offered second-hand)

The nameplate would be your best bet, but after thatL:

1. All the drivers on the 802Di have a silver ring around them.

2. The FST midrange driver has a silver bullet dust cap instead of black

3. The dust caps on the two bass drivers are bigger on the old 802D although this would be hard to tell without having them side by side.

4. The grills are magnetic on the new 802Di. The old 802 has push clips which put 6 little plug clips on the front of the speaker.

5. The logo on the 802D says "B&W" whereas the new 802Di says " Bowers & Wilkins

There may be some other small cosmetic changes, but with all of the above it should be fairly simple to tell.

Cheers,

Stuart

[JürgenW]

Hi Stuart,

Thanks a lot.

Jürgen

[style]

Hi,

sorry but if so you have a 803/804DI you go invest you money for a 802D "old"????


I have a 803DI and I ca have a new-unopen 802D "old" for 9k $$$
for you is a good choice?

for me NO. = the 803DI as rear and the 802D as front end??? uhmmmm

I buy a 804DI as rear and I keep the 803DI as front end!!!! no doubt!

AND

A dealer in Usa accept the "old" 802D plusmoney tp upgrade for the 802DI??
wow, in europa is not so easy!!! do you must oay the 802DI and if do you have a 802D is yoursel that must sell this last!!!
you have a "easy life"!!!!!

[gerardhn]

Style,

To whom did you adress your last message??? Me???

Gerard

[style]

Hoi Gerard,
nee!
are a simply "idea"


I have the possibility to have a 802D "new, unopen" for 8500Euros....but I have just changed my "old" 803D for a 803DI.
now I dont can immagine a front end changing from 803DI to 802D (FOR ME)

if i buy a 802 muss be a DI serie. a old D is sure a great speaker but the DI sound very amazing!

if you can sell yours 802D yourself = more money versus what your dealer give you!
but need time found a "buyers"! the difference beetwen the dealer price to go with a DI is too much from what a privat give you is your choice.

My dealer dont accept my "old" 803D for upgrade to the 80xDI. = I have a great price with Classé/B&W but not terug to the dealer!

a 802DI I can have with the 20-25% discount but I muss sell to a privat my "old" speakers!


groeten Style

[gerardhn]

Style,

this thread is already sometime old, and we discussed the depreciation or "how much money you have to add".

Dependending on circumstances, I know in meantime, it is between 5 k€ and 8 k€!
Even for you! You pay after discount 11k€. Secondhand sell: 6 k€ .. so add 5 k€. Than you should be happy. less money is not possible, only desirable or a dream.
Gr Gerard.

[style]

Gerardin but you will change the 802d for a DI or is only a "dream"?

[gerardhn]

Style,

Pls scroll to above and read what I wrote 23 december!!!
I missed your concratulations ... but know I understand why..