802D on wooden floor

[Birdy]

Hi,

Anybody had an experience on how the rollers of the 802D can damage (or not) a wooden floor?

I'm about to move them in a new place and would like to know before making any scratches or anything else that would definitively lower my waf...

Birdy

[beden1]

I have seen it for myself, where my dealer moved their 802Ds to another listening room, and over a new wood floor that had been installed a week before. You can see the dented trails across the floor.

Yes, they will damage your wood floors. If you can, put a piece of carpet under them and slide to another location, or use a funiture dolly like they sell at the home improvement stores. They also sell round carpeted plastic cannisters that may work. These would go under each foot/roller.

[audioqueso]

You could buy those little speaker base insulators.

[Birdy]

You could buy those little speaker base insulators.

What's that????

[multivac]

You should buy a big sheet of transparent plastic sold by IKEA to protect wooden floors from rollers and office chairs with rollers.

It works brilliantly !

[Birdy]

You should buy a big sheet of transparent plastic sold by IKEA to protect wooden floors from rollers and office chairs with rollers.

It works brilliantly !

Great idea but the look beneath beautiful B&Ws.... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[sg2]

Hi Birdy,

There is no question whether the 802D's rollers will destroy a wooden floor, they will.

I thusly did this : http://s.guillard.free.fr/802D_ptfe_feet/

I'm as happy as can be ever since. The look is unaffected (it looks even better than when standing above the original rollers, let alone the totally ugly spikes). Plus I can move them around twice a year in order to vacuum clean their area.

[Birdy]

Hi Birdy,

There is no question whether the 802D's rollers will destroy a wooden floor, they will.

I thusly did this : http://s.guillard.free.fr/802D_ptfe_feet/

I'm as happy as can be ever since. The look is unaffected (it looks even better then when standing above the original rollers, let alone the totally ugly spikes). Plus I can move them around twice a year in order to vacuum clean their area.

Regards,
--
Stéphane

Pas mal, pas mal ...

Merci Stéphane

[audioqueso]

This thing. They're meant to improve sound or whatever, but they're more useful to protect your floors. They have two types.
If you have spikes on your speaker, they have the little base insulators that have a concave hole (like the picture one).
Iif you don't have spikes, they have the base that look like a little cone.
Do these feet improve sound? I don't know, but they protect my floor.

[1oldguy]

May I ask who makes them?Link maybe?

[audioqueso]

I don't know. Quite a few companies. Audio-Technica, Kyrna, TAOC, Acoustic Revive... some of these companies (TAOC, AR) try to sell these for like $100+. I just have some from Audio-Technica that cost $30-40 dollars. Most of the websites I know are for Japan. I have some US links, but it's for the manufacturers.

http://www.oregondv.com/spikes.htm

http://www.needledoctor.com/Harmonix-TU-505EX (exaggerated version that cost $00!)
But you get the idea of what it is, right?

I can't really find a good US website for them.
I guess it's a bigger thing in Japan because most homes have wooden or fake wooden floors that are very sensitive. So I think it may be a bigger market here for the shear fact of protecting the floors.
Would you like to see the link for a Japanese website? :B

[1oldguy]

Sure why not.Thank you.

[audioqueso]

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/audio/c/0000000125/

If the page doesn't show up properly, make sure you change the website encoding to Japanese.

You can see some Audio Technica one's that cost about 2400 Yen (about $24). And then some that are ridiculously over-priced. If you're interested in some but can't find them, I could order it from here and ship it over.

[Birdy]

This thing. They're meant to improve sound or whatever, but they're more useful to protect your floors. They have two types.
If you have spikes on your speaker, they have the little base insulators that have a concave hole (like the picture one).
Iif you don't have spikes, they have the base that look like a little cone.
Do these feet improve sound? I don't know, but they protect my floor.

But can you still move your speakers with those things underneath?

[audioqueso]

No. They're not suppose to slip at all. But if I understand your original post, you're concern about damaging your floor... not constantly moving them, right? Or do you plan on moving them alot?

[1oldguy]

Hi Audioqueso

Thank you for you generous offer.Don't be surprised if I do take you up on your offer.I would send you the money first if I do.At the moment all my gear is still in boxes.Infact haven't used it yet.

Again Thank-You

[audioqueso]

Hi Audioqueso

Thank you for you generous offer.Don't be surprised if I do take you up on your offer.I would send you the money first if I do.At the moment all my gear is still in boxes.Infact haven't used it yet.

Again Thank-You

Why would I be surprised? I am offering after all.
Just send me a PM if you (or anyone) would like something from here.

[ray5]

What's the advantage of these over the B&W spikes except cosmetically? If the OP wants to move the speakers around then neither this nor the spikes are an option. I have seen great pictures of folks doing customised granite plates under these monsters. And they do dent wooden floors, even oak ones!!
Ray

[miner]

I have wood floors but no N802Ds. I have my audio cabinet (Ethan Allen Townhouse audio cabinet) with 6 pieces electroins adn TT on top. Very heavy. Under each foot of the cabinet I have the teflon sliders mentions above. The cabinet is easy to move when I need to get to the back (adjust/add ICs, etc.) Does not harm the floor at all. These truly are easy-sliders.

[ray5]

I have wood floors but no N802Ds. I have my audio cabinet (Ethan Allen Townhouse audio cabinet) with 6 pieces electroins adn TT on top. Very heavy. Under each foot of the cabinet I have the teflon sliders mentions above. The cabinet is easy to move when I need to get to the back (adjust/add ICs, etc.) Does not harm the floor at all. These truly are easy-sliders.

Where do you get good quality Teflon sliders?

[audioqueso]

What's the advantage of these over the B&W spikes except cosmetically?

As I've already written, the manufacturers claim to better sound or whatever, but most people buy it to protect their floors. It's not a replacement for spikes. One would place the spikes on top of these pads/insulators to protect their floors, but still get the proper isolation that spikes provide.

If the OP wants to move the speakers around then neither this nor the spikes are an option.

Which is what he didn't clarify. And so I asked him again in my last post, is he intending to move it once, or move it around quite a bit.

[ray5]

[QUOTE=audioqueso]As I've already written, the manufacturers claim to better sound or whatever, but most people buy it to protect their floors. It's not a replacement for spikes. One would place the spikes on top of these pads/insulators to protect their floors, but still get the proper isolation that spikes provide.

The spikes that come with 802D's are reversible with a non-slip surface like these plates on the other end so that should suffice in isolation and insulation. What I need and I think a lot of people need is a solution that would allow moving them around relatively easily and yet not dent the wood. The casters move too easily and certainly dent the wood. Thanks.

[audioqueso]

Ah, interesting. So using the non-surface sound the same as when using the spikes with the 802's?

If it does, then I'd say to put velvet feet at the bottom of it, and slide it. I don't have wooden floors, but I can move my AV rack with all the equipment with velvet pads on the rack feet... and that's well over 200lbs. Just an idea.

[ray5]

Ah, interesting. So using the non-surface sound the same as when using the spikes with the 802's?

If it does, then I'd say to put velvet feet at the bottom of it, and slide it. I don't have wooden floors, but I can move my AV rack with all the equipment with velvet pads on the rack feet... and that's well over 200lbs. Just an idea.

http://photos.imageevent.com/williamjulien/hometheater/websize/_2123029.JPG

Here is the image posted by someone on the site.

[audioqueso]

WOW! That's a massive spike compared to the other one. I suppose to you change the bolt with something bigger so that it could use the velvet feet, no?

[Birdy]

No. They're not suppose to slip at all. But if I understand your original post, you're concern about damaging your floor... not constantly moving them, right? Or do you plan on moving them alot?

I'm moving to a new house.
So initially I will move the speakers a lot to try to find the correct position, toe etc...

So yes I intend to move them a lot... :P :P :P
Once I find the perfect position they should stay where they are

[miner]

Where do you get good quality Teflon sliders?

Lowe's
Home Depot
The Container Store

[indiebands]

Hi Birdy,

There is no question whether the 802D's rollers will destroy a wooden floor, they will.

I thusly did this : http://s.guillard.free.fr/802D_ptfe_feet/

I'm as happy as can be ever since. The look is unaffected (it looks even better than when standing above the original rollers, let alone the totally ugly spikes). Plus I can move them around twice a year in order to vacuum clean their area.

Hi,

Do you know how I can get some of these delivered to the Czech Republic? I'd like a set of four for my entertainment center. Thanks in advance.

At the moment, I am using the rubber feet on my 803Ds (can't use the spikes on a rented wooden floor...). Dealer trying to sell me on some fancy ceramic feet, but holding off for now.

Cheers,
Tom

[Kal Rubinson]

Hi,

Anybody had an experience on how the rollers of the 802D can damage (or not) a wooden floor?

I'm about to move them in a new place and would like to know before making any scratches or anything else that would definitively lower my waf...

Birdy

I have kept them on the little metal rollers but, after moving them into position, I shim them each up with 4 of the Ayre Myrtle Wood Blocks. Raises them a mm or 2 and just enough.

Kal

[ray5]

I have kept them on the little metal rollers but, after moving them into position, I shim them each up with 4 of the Ayre Myrtle Wood Blocks. Raises them a mm or 2 and just enough.

Kal

Can you post some pictures with them being used?
Ray

[Kal Rubinson]

Can you post some pictures with them being used?
Ray

Here's the view from the floor since you cannot see them from above.

[ray5]

Here's the view from the floor since you cannot see them from above.

Thanks. I guess it makes sense not to move them often but when you do you'll need an extra pair of hands to take them off and back on those blocks? Apart from the size what else is the difference between these and just wooden blocks from Home Depot?
Ray

[Kal Rubinson]

Thanks. I guess it makes sense not to move them often but when you do you'll need an extra pair of hands to take them off and back on those blocks?

Nope. I just tilt it to one side and kick the blocks in/out with my foot.

Apart from the size what else is the difference between these and just wooden blocks from Home Depot?

1. They are labeled "Ayre."
2. I had a bag of them lying around.

[1oldguy]

HI.....

I see that on the back of the 802D there is a round (I assume Paper) disk at the back of the marlin head that says for it to be removed before use.Not sure if I just rip it off or what the case is.Figured I'd ask before going any further.

[ray5]

Nope. I just tilt it to one side and kick the blocks in/out with my foot.


1. They are labeled "Ayre."
2. I had a bag of them lying around.

Thanks.

[1oldguy]

LOL all done.

[emig5m]

LOL all done.

Finally decided to unbox them bad boys?

[1oldguy]

Yes indeed....had them since Jan 1st this year.may even get to hear them soon.

[ray5]

Nope. I just tilt it to one side and kick the blocks in/out with my foot.


1. They are labeled "Ayre."
2. I had a bag of them lying around.

Do you know why they are a cut to those specifications?

[Kal Rubinson]

Do you know why they are a cut to those specifications?

Nope. Actually, I know absolutely nothing about them except that, when I was reviewing an Ayre amp, I was provided with a bag of these and the suggestion that I elevate the amp and all the components feeding it with trios of these. I did, for a while.

Ask Ayre. I suspect that, rather than offering a pseudo-scientific explanation, they will say that they hear a difference.

[ray5]

Nope. Actually, I know absolutely nothing about them except that, when I was reviewing an Ayre amp, I was provided with a bag of these and the suggestion that I elevate the amp and all the components feeding it with trios of these. I did, for a while.

Ask Ayre. I suspect that, rather than offering a pseudo-scientific explanation, they will say that they hear a difference.

I called them. The blocks are for use with components and not recommended by them to be used under speakers. The specs are according to some audio testing and have a scietific reason(fibonachi theory/number) to have them that size and to be used in sets of three for max. benefit.
Ray

[Kal Rubinson]

I called them. The blocks are for use with components and not recommended by them to be used under speakers. The specs are according to some audio testing and have a scietific reason(fibonachi theory/number) to have them that size and to be used in sets of three for max. benefit.
Ray

:roll: Not exactly science, is it?